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[QUOTE=Joshumitsu]2020: Kyrie Irving hosts the Decision part II.
I do like the Zeller pick though. Gets them a Sideshow Bob/Big Z replacement.[/QUOTE]
they're crazy if they let Varaejo go. he's one of the most underrated bigs in the league, and doesn't need the ball to impact games unlike most players. he's got to be the best hustle-heart rebounding big in the league.
Byron Scott just interviewed locally and said that Dion Waiters is his pick. He told General Manager Chris Grant "if you get me this kid I will turn him into a player". You never really know the truth, and the popular coach may have taken one to release some heat. Scott also talked about the Thompson, Zeller, Varajo front court and was excited. He thinks with Kyrie and Waiters and these three athletic big men that the squad will be able to run much more than they have to date.
[QUOTE=sixer6ad]Byron Scott just interviewed locally and said that Dion Waiters is his pick. He told General Manager Chris Grant "if you get me this kid I will turn him into a player". You never really know the truth, and the popular coach may have taken one to release some heat. Scott also talked about the Thompson, Zeller, Varajo front court and was excited. He thinks with Kyrie and Waiters and these three athletic big men that the squad will be able to run much more than they have to date.[/QUOTE]
I don't think any of those players are extremely atheletic, but all of them hustle and have very good motors. All of those big-men run teh floor like crazy. I watched some Zeller video and was impressed how he would run the floor ahead of the guards and get easy buckets.
I would be satisfied if he developed into like a 55%/13/10/1 a game center.
Tristan T. is already more skilled offensively than tyrus Thomas. To be effectiive, Tyrus Thomas needed to play with a dominant low block scorer where it would allow him to get weak side boards and some 15 footers
[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]I currently work and attend grad school about 85 miles north of Yolo County. :lol[/QUOTE]
Chico State FTW
He was definitely underrated until Hollinger mentioned him as the fourth best player in the draft. Now he might be overrated.
Still, he could be a Westbrook kind of pick, where everyone thinks it's a reach at first, then he makes it look like he was an obvious choice in the top 5 from the beginning. Playing alongside Kyrie and being coached by Byron Scott can only help his development.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]He was definitely underrated until Hollinger mentioned him as the fourth best player in the draft. Now he might be overrated.
Still, he could be a Westbrook kind of pick, where everyone thinks it's a reach at first, then he makes it look like he was an obvious choice in the top 5 from the beginning. Playing alongside Kyrie and being coached by Byron Scott can only help his development.[/QUOTE]
Hollinger is a dumb****, who listens to that guy?
[QUOTE=sixer6ad][B]Thompson was 2nd Team All NBA Rookie Last Year[/B]. Now, it's not a badge of honor to carry around 2nd Team awards, but it's far from a flop. They drafted three things with Thompson: Energy, Defense, and Rebounding - and he was very good in all 3 areas..[/QUOTE]
In a weak draft class. Atleast mention that.
[QUOTE=Godzuki]they're crazy if they let Varaejo go. he's one of the most underrated bigs in the league, and doesn't need the ball to impact games unlike most players. he's got to be the best hustle-heart rebounding big in the league.[/QUOTE]
+1
We need to start Zeller/TT and return AV to his original role as a 6th man swing pf/c.
I'll be more pissed about losing AV if we trade him than I was about losing Lebron!
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This is what I always think of when I hear/see "Yolo". Then I force myself to remember it's a stupid meme.
re: OP, I too thought TT and Waiters were not the best choices. However, I still like the way the team is shaping up. If (always "if) their youth can live up to their potential, they'll be real good. Hell, they were in playoff contention last year before Kyrie got hurt.
if you consider the TT pick, it really wasn't that bad of a pick. They needed the best big available in a draft short of much big man talent. Valanciunas' buyout situation probably scared them away and Kanter was off the board by their turn at number 4
Waiters im not too sure about. I just don't know enough about him or seen enough of him to say if it was a good pick or not. From the draft workout video I've seen ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVm57uNFwfw[/url]) and the summer league games one thing that is for damn sure is this guy is not shy and definitely has the ability to get to the rim. His conditioning scared me a little bit though, maybe it was the injuries that held him back in his offseason programme but still, I hope he can pull it all together.
Oh, and I think Zeller is ready start, throw him into the fire right away, he has size and mobility, TT can protect the rim, let those guys grow together I say. Never been a big fan of Varejao anyways.
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]if you consider the TT pick, it really wasn't that bad of a pick. They needed the best big available in a draft short of much big man talent. Valanciunas' buyout situation probably scared them away and Kanter was off the board by their turn at number 4
Waiters im not too sure about. I just don't know enough about him or seen enough of him to say if it was a good pick or not. From the draft workout video I've seen ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVm57uNFwfw[/url]) and the summer league games one thing that is for damn sure is this guy is not shy and definitely has the ability to get to the rim. His conditioning scared me a little bit though, maybe it was the injuries that held him back in his offseason programme but still, I hope he can pull it all together.
Oh, and I think Zeller is ready start, throw him into the fire right away, he has size and mobility, TT can protect the rim, let those guys grow together I say. Never been a big fan of Varejao anyways.[/QUOTE]
I don't like that Waiters is ball dominant. I wanted Beal, for his length, and to be our Rip Hamilton type of player.
Then again, Kyrie is an awesome shooter. So, while Waiters being on the floor w/ him at the same time, taking the ball out of Kyrie's hands could be seen as negative, if Kyrie can run occasional curls and Waiters knows how to pass the ball it might work out okay.
I do agree that Zeller should start, assuming he proves he's ready to. I like AV off the bench as a swing 4/5 6th man, and that was always his best role.
If Waiters is really as ball-dominant as he seems to be, perhaps he should also come off the bench like a bulls-era ben gordon...but then we'd need to start boobie who is even more undersized, or contract a vet 2-guard to start. Or start CJ....I dunno
[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]I don't like that Waiters is ball dominant. I wanted Beal, for his length, and to be our Rip Hamilton type of player.
Then again, Kyrie is an awesome shooter. So, while Waiters being on the floor w/ him at the same time, taking the ball out of Kyrie's hands could be seen as negative, if Kyrie can run occasional curls and Waiters knows how to pass the ball it might work out okay.
I do agree that Zeller should start, assuming he proves he's ready to. I like AV off the bench as a swing 4/5 6th man, and that was always his best role.
If Waiters is really as ball-dominant as he seems to be, perhaps he should also come off the bench like a bulls-era ben gordon...but then we'd need to start boobie who is even more undersized, or contract a vet 2-guard to start. Or start CJ....I dunno[/QUOTE]
Well Scott like his players to run, and he likes them to attack. I think they lacked the personnel the past two years to truly adopt that style. In a more uptempo style I think Waiters would fit well with Kyrie, otherwise, you're right, the sixth man role would probably fit him much better. Maybe start Alonzo Gee for his defense in that case :confusedshrug:
ive only seen a handful of waiters' college games, and he didnt seem too ball dominant
i think to suceed in the nba you need guys who can get to the basket, and play the pick and roll. waiters can do this. i agree i would have preffered beal, or maybe barnes, maybe. but im still pretty happy. irving is very good off the ball too like computernerd points out, so they fit great together in theory, both able to play on or off the ball.
[QUOTE=chips93]ive only seen a handful of waiters' college games, and he didnt seem too ball dominant
i think to suceed in the nba you need guys who can get to the basket, and play the pick and roll. waiters can do this. i agree i would have preffered beal, or maybe barnes, maybe. but im still pretty happy. irving is very good off the ball too like computernerd points out, so they fit great together in theory, both able to play on or off the ball.[/QUOTE]
If waiters can work w/o the ball on a regular occasion, running curls and pick & pops, I'll be happy.
I want the Ball in Irving's hands the bulk of the time, unless he's sitting.
[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]If waiters can work w/o the ball on a regular occasion, running curls and pick & pops, I'll be happy.
I want the Ball in Irving's hands the bulk of the time, unless he's sitting.[/QUOTE]
I think Kyrie is a such a gifted floor general that he'll find out how to best utilize Waiters.
They really do have a lot of potential as a backcourt
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]I think Kyrie is a such a gifted floor general that he'll find out how to best utilize Waiters.
They really do have a lot of potential as a backcourt[/QUOTE]
im nit sure id call irving a 'gifted floor general'
weve never seen him actually manage a talented team, so im excited to see how he does with a few extra weapons on the floor alongside him
[QUOTE=chips93]im nit sure id call irving a 'gifted floor general'
weve never seen him actually manage a talented team, so im excited to see how he does with a few extra weapons on the floor alongside him[/QUOTE]
one and done pgs rarely have the success he has had.
considering he's only 20, this guy is a stud! at 19 he knew how to run a team (most of the time). Imagine what he does THIS year :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]one and done pgs rarely have the success he has had.
considering he's only 20, this guy is a stud! at 19 he knew how to run a team (most of the time). Imagine what he does THIS year :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
oh, dont get me wrong, im really excited about kyrie, i cant wait for the season to start, im just saying his playmaking wasnt outstanding. it wasnt bad, but it was more his scoring that impressed me
[QUOTE=chips93]oh, dont get me wrong, im really excited about kyrie, i cant wait for the season to start, im just saying his playmaking wasnt outstanding. it wasnt bad, but it was more his scoring that impressed me[/QUOTE]
I just hope he shows up to camp in shape. I hope they didn't put screws in his hand, you can't run until they take them out. That'll set him back until well into the season in terms of conditioning I'd think.
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]I just hope he shows up to camp in shape. I hope they didn't put screws in his hand, you can't run until they take them out. That'll set him back until well into the season in terms of conditioning I'd think.[/QUOTE]
im not too worried, sounds like he'll be back soon
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[QUOTE=chips93]im not too worried, sounds like he'll be back soon
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274399[/url][/QUOTE]
damn dude seems kinda brittle :lol
it's good to hear. Saw him on a radio show on youtube and his cast didn't look too bad, mustve broke a small bone
I don't think TT was a stretch at 4. He's better than Kanter IMO and already is a decent post defender/rebounder.
He averaged 10/7.5 when he started as a 6'9'' center, not too shabby.
Waiters is more of the reach. I think Waiter's floor is an above average SG but he has really high potential if he can develop a consistent jumper.
Byron Scott LOVES waiters and was extremely involved in draft process. But if beal or MKG were still on the board they would have taken them in a heart beat.
ill be very interested to see how waiters handles training camp
coach scott is notorious for holding grueling training camps, so i really hope waiters turns up in good shape
its worth noting, that he shed a decent bit of weight and got in great shape before his sophomore year at syracuse,so he has the ability to work very hard
[QUOTE=chips93]ill be very interested to see how waiters handles training camp
[B]coach scott is notorious for holding grueling training camps, so i really hope waiters turns up in good shape[/B]
its worth noting, that he shed a decent bit of weight and got in great shape before his sophomore year at syracuse,so he has the ability to work very hard[/QUOTE]
windsprints. lots of windsprints. i remember jason kidd mentioning the trick to it is showing up in shape or else its near impossible
if i were waiters id be running as we speak