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Waiters will be better than Barnes but not Beal.
I was actually alright with the pick the Cavs made. I wanted the Cavs to avoid Barnes and they did.
The biggest skeptical of Waiters is how he wasn't even a starter in College and the last star lottery drafted bench player in College (i.e. last one to come to mind) was Marvin Williams who is clearly a bust. Williams is a decent role player though but he surely was not worth a lottery pick.
Wall/Beal vs Irving/Waiters :applause:
Waiters will have a good career, saw some of his games. Very explosive slasher and his motor is amazing. I can see him as a borderline allstar. Beal will help the wizards in making the playoffs this coming season.
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[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]Waiters will be better than Barnes but not Beal.
I was actually alright with the pick the Cavs made. I wanted the Cavs to avoid Barnes and they did.
The biggest skeptical of Waiters is how he wasn't even a starter in College and the last star lottery drafted bench player in College (i.e. last one to come to mind) was Marvin Williams who is clearly a bust. Williams is a decent role player though but he surely was not worth a lottery pick.[/QUOTE]
Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.
[QUOTE=raprap]Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
only played 24 minutes a game.
I wouldnt trade harden for BOTH Beal and Waiters. thats what I think of these two scrubs. This was truly a weak draft. Anthony Davis was the main attraction? LOL have fun with Mr Davis averaging 8 points, 1 block, and 5 rebounds a game for his career. :facepalm
[QUOTE=raprap]Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
24 a game.
[QUOTE=DurantFor40]I wouldnt trade harden for BOTH Beal and Waiters. thats what I think of these two scrubs. This was truly a weak draft. Anthony Davis was the main attraction? LOL have fun with Mr Davis averaging 8 points, 1 block, and 5 rebounds a game for his career. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
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:facepalm I know basketball buddy. Don't think you're superior because you've been here longer you punk ass bitch.
[QUOTE=DurantFor40]:facepalm I know basketball buddy. Don't think you're superior because you've been here longer you punk ass bitch.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Meticode]24 a game.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. He still has the potential to be the best sg in this draft. My boy Brad Beal will be better though :cheers:
[QUOTE=raprap]Thanks. He still has the potential to be the best sg in this draft. My boy Brad Beal will be better though :cheers:[/QUOTE]
We'll see. I would've taken Beal first as well if i had to choose, but it doesn't mean it'll pane out better. Too many variables come into play in a player's development.
[QUOTE=LBJMVP]Beal : 14/6/2 0.8 blocks/1.4 steals 43% shooting 34% from three
Waiters: 13/2/3 0.3 blocks/1.8 steals 48% shooting 36% from three
Beal played 34 minutes a game.... waiters played 24.
so beal scores three more points, grabs four more rebounds, and 1 less assists but plays 10 more minutes a game????
waiters scores much more efficiently as well?
beal draws comparisons to eric gordon.... waiters draws comparison to young dwayne wade???
boheiem says the only person that can guard waiters one on one in the nba is russell westrbrook.
im startin to like this pick more and more[/QUOTE]
How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?
[QUOTE=Meticode]We'll see. I would've taken Beal first as well if i had to choose, but it doesn't mean it'll pane out better. Too many variables come into play in a player's development.[/QUOTE]
Agree. I hope both of them pan out. The league can use some new blood at the 2.
Most ppl on this board thought Kyrie was gonna be a average player so how bout we just wait and see. I think Beal will be better at some things and Waiters will be better than some things. A lot of people said the same thing when Westbrook was drafted at 4 by Seattle. who laughing now?
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?[/QUOTE]
you and me both know its about potential and some of it depends against competition...
damian lilliard goes number 1 if he plays at kentucky and averages those same stats.
My feelings about this pick would have been skeptical if beal was available but he wasn't. From the available players I'm pretty happy. It's risky but I like it.
i dont get it why people kinda overrates waiters... i mean both are good.. i think waiters game not going to be better like wade's career... not saying that beal will be better than wade.. am just saying upside wise beal has that factor over waiters.
i still give beal the nod over waiters why? wait and see...
[QUOTE=LBJMVP]you and me both know its about potential and some of it depends against competition...
damian lilliard goes number 1 if he plays at kentucky and averages those same stats.[/QUOTE]
why do the teams matter?
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]why do the teams matter?[/QUOTE]
Different coaches, different players to work with, different competition, more or less exposure depending on the school/team, etc.
It's the same reason why different NBA teams matter.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]why do the teams matter?[/QUOTE]
No question the competition Kentucky had to play was much better than Weber States competition. Also, one is in the national spotlight. The other, not so much.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]Different coaches, different players to work with, different competition, more or less exposure depending on the school/team, etc.
It's the same reason why different NBA teams matter.[/QUOTE]
I'm hard pressed to think of a player in same position that has worse stats on a certain team has more trade value than better stats on a different team in NBA. I can't think of anyone. It might be opposite, where someones value is higher because of the system, but a person with WORSE stats being valued higher? I can't name any, can you? Someone with less stats from same position that is valued more.
in the college game i can probly name hundreds of players with worse stats that are better players.
just go look at damian lilliard compared to derrick rose or any other of the leauge best point guards.
[QUOTE=LBJMVP]only played 24 minutes a game.[/QUOTE]
If you look at Syracuse's roster last year, only one player averaged over 26 minutes per game (forward Kris Joseph).
They had a very deep backcourt and Waiters actually averaged more minutes per game than the guy that they had starting ahead of him at the 2 (Brandon Triche). Waiters also finished the games.
The more research I do, the less I care about his minutes per game.
I'm still waiting to read/see an argument as to why Beal is better that has anything to do with on the court skills.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]I'm still waiting to read/see an argument as to why Beal is better that has anything to do with on the court skills.[/QUOTE]
I think it just comes down to perception. Beal has been touted as a Top 3 player in this draft since the last few weeks of the college basketball season. Thus, people watched Florida games with the specific purpose of seeing what kind of game he had. Since he played probably his best ball of the season during that tournament, people were (rightly) impressed.
There was still some trepidation due to a fear about his size, but when the combine showed he was a shade under 6-5, everyone seemed to go all-in on him.
Waiters, on the other hand, wasn't a big-name for casual college basketball fans last season. The masses weren't watching Syracuse games with that same "potential Top 3 player in the draft" kind of eyes for Waiters.
Looking back, I wish I had paid more attention to him.
Trust me... I hope you are 100-percent right and I'm starting to get really excited about seeing the Irving/Waiters backcourt.
But, to answer your question... It seems like sort of a perception thing more than anything else. There is little doubt that Waiters was the best slashing guard in this draft and that means a hell of a lot in the NBA.
I'm starting to come along on Waiters...i was just shocked on draft night. It could end up being a solid pick.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I think it just comes down to perception...
But, to answer your question... It seems like sort of a perception thing more than anything else. There is little doubt that Waiters was the best slashing guard in this draft and that means a hell of a lot in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much exactly what I was getting across. No one can make a valid "Beal > Waiters" argument that has anything to do with basketball ability.
Beal has no handle, is very basic in his ability to play off the ball, has no "in-between" game, and can't shoot off the dribble. Why people act like those flaws from a SG don't matter is beyond me.
Neither is destined to be anything but serviceable pro.
I see more Randy Foye in Waiters than I see D-Wade.
[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I see more Randy Foye in Waiters than I see D-Wade.[/QUOTE]
Foye is a good deal smaller than Waiters. That is the big difference I see. But, I also don't think he is anything near DWade either.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Foye is a good deal smaller than Waiters. That is the big difference I see. But, I also don't think he is anything near DWade either.[/QUOTE]
The comparisons to Wade come from Dion's explosive first step and ability to finish around the basket. That and a similar kind of build.
That said, I pretty much agree... Wade has a freakish 6-11 wingspan.
On the other hand, Dion Waiters is also a much longer/bigger player than Foye. He's taller, has a longer winspan/reach and is bigger.
I'd say that Waiters is a pretty unique prospect. I can't really think of a good comparison from what I've seen on film. He doesn't really have a glaring weakness to his game. Excellent at driving to the basket, nice handle, good jumpshot (could use improvement, but good), good defender, nice overall size...
Very nice all-around prospect.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The comparisons to Wade come from Dion's explosive first step and ability to finish around the basket. That and a similar kind of build.
That said, I pretty much agree... Wade has a freakish 6-11 wingspan.
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chad ford said on the bs report that on some metrics (i dont have a clue how they are calculated) waiters closest comparison was marquette dwyane wade, so there is something to the comparison
everyone has been talking about not seeing an article that stats the reason beal is better than waiter have made a great point.
on the other hand i do have an article that states why waiters is better than beal.
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242444-cleveland-cavaliers-made-correct-draft-choice-in-dion-waiters[/url]
Bal - Ray Allen, Waiters - D.Wade. Oh brother! :facepalm
[QUOTE]How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?[/QUOTE]
Huh? You cant be serious with such a question.
[QUOTE=Fiasco]GOBB might not be saying Beal > Waiters, but I am.
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Excellence
Beal demoted to the bench for all time chucker Jordan Crawford.
Wonder how long it'll last.