Construct a Boston Celtics Team that Beats the Miami Heat Next Season

[QUOTE=JohnnySic]All they need to do is resign Green and Pietrus, add Mayo to replace RA, and get 1-2 more bigs (perhaps Wilcox as one?).

They key is health. At full strength they are the better team.

Once Green gets his sea legs under him, he will give LeBron trouble. He is just as tall, long, and athletic...[/QUOTE]

Miguel gets no minutes if Mayo and Green sign. None at all. He does seem to love playing in Boston though. If Wilcox signs, we actually already have 6 bigs. Somehow think we'll be buying out at least Williams, though.

If our top 7 guys for the playoffs were Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Garnett, Wilcox, Green and Mayo we're contenders. If Sullinger can play even close to his ability he'll be a valuable 8th.

Rondo/Dooling
Bradley/Mayo
Pierce/Green/Pietrus
KG/Sullinger
Mcgee/Stiemer/melo

But KG's deal fvck up my dreams :( :cry:

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Rondo/Dooling
Bradley/Mayo
Pierce/Green/Pietrus
KG/Sullinger
Mcgee/Stiemer/melo

But KG's deal fvck up my dreams :( :cry:[/QUOTE]

If you're somehow against the deal you need to reevaluate. For what KG offers this team, $11 million is a steal as far as I'm concerned. You went from having three inflated contracts down to one starting with the 2012-2013 season and you've still got roughly $17 million to spend before you even hit the cap.

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]If you're somehow against the deal you need to reevaluate. For what KG offers this team, $11 million is a steal as far as I'm concerned. You went from having three inflated contracts down to one starting with the 2012-2013 season and you've still got roughly $17 million to spend before you even hit the cap.[/QUOTE]
I just wanted to Mcgee in the Celtics :( , now the only way to get him is though a sign a trade because He will be asking big bucks :(

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]I just wanted to Mcgee in the Celtics :( , now the only way to get him is though a sign a trade because He will be asking big bucks :([/QUOTE]

Denver isn't letting McGee go in the first place. They've already scheduled workouts for McGee and Mozgov with Hakeem this summer.

A lot of people here are unsure how the cap works.

Currently, we have under contract (assuming we sign our 3 rookies):

CT: - / - / Melo
PF: Garnett/ Sullinger/ Johnson
SF: Pierce/ - / Joseph
SG: Bradley/ - / -
PG: Rondo / - / -

I'm assuming Allen, Green, Stiemsma, Moore and Pietrus are coming back:
CT: - / Stiemsma/ Melo
PF: Garnett/ Sullinger/ Johnson
SF: Pierce/ Green/ Joseph
SG: Bradley/ Allen/ Pietrus
PG: Rondo / - / Moore

We could round out the roster with Marcus Camby and Kirk Hinrich. And how would this look on our books?

[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/2qckz02.png[/IMG]

^ I'd be all for Camby/Hinrich/Green/Ray(or someone else).

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]I'm really interested to see what Ainge and management does. Hurry up and start free agency![/QUOTE]
Is there any realistic chance of getting kris hump

Injure LeBron :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]^ I'd be all for Camby/Hinrich/Green/Ray(or someone else).[/QUOTE]

I really want to avoid Mayo like the plague. He said he doesn't care about our banners, he is a shot-jacker, can't guard shooting guards effectively (that's why Tony starts ahead of him) and he disappears when the going gets tough.

I think that line-up I detailed above gives us the best chance to continue our defensive domination. Camby is similar to KG in guarding the pick and roll, he just sucks at positional defense otherwise, but is a monster on the weakside - perfect compliment to KG. We can keep both their minutes down all season - Camby to about 26 mpg, and KG to 28-30 mpg, we would really need to trust Sully, Stiemsma and Green to play big minutes at the 4 and 5.

Perhaps our rotation would look like this (in terms of minutes)

CT: Camby (24)/ Garnett (12)/ Stiemsma (12) = 48
PF: Garnett (18)/ Green (12)/ Sullinger (18) = 48
SF: Pierce (30)/ Green (18) = 48
SG: Allen (24)/ Bradley (24) = 48
PG: Rondo (32)/ Hinrich (16) = 48

We keep the minutes down for the big 4, and develop our bench more while also limiting Camby and Hinrich's minutes. The goal is to feed Green, Bradley, Sullinger and Stiemsma a good chunk of minutes so they can be productive come playoff time.

[QUOTE=LiLharvard]Is there any realistic chance of getting kris hump[/QUOTE]

C'mon man! Humphries, Mayo, Crawford, Kaman???
All these guys are bums. We need real players, guys that can play in an established system. All 4 of those guys are career losers. And all of them will expect bigger roles than what we're able to give them.

The reason I like Hinrich is because he can hit an open 3, defend 2's and point guards that aren't lightening bugs. He won't complain about being a back-up (see: Atlanta) and the less minutes he plays the more effective he is.
He is able to switch between the 1 and 2 and should form a nice back-court option with Bradley, Rondo or Allen. Flexibility!

Camby is the shot blocker and rebounder we need, and for his advanced age he's still quick up and down the floor. He is not as inept offensively as Perkins, so we're not left playing 4 on 5.

I'm not sure why people are still obsessed with stocking up on front court depth with Boston. One quality center is fantastic, but this isn't 2010 anymore and Dwight with Orlando isn't a huge obstacle. The reason I like my suggestion is because it gives the Celtics defensive options for LeBron and Wade. Sort of like how the Thunder ran out and traded for Perkins to try and contain Bynum in the post-season, Boston needs to run out and sign guys who have been known to give LeBron problems. Stop LeBron and you've improved your odds of beating Miami tremendously.

Do a S&T centered around Jeff Green and JaJaun Johnson for Charlie V and Prince. MLE on Camby. Give Allen a shiny 2 year deal.

Rondo/Vet Min./Moore
Allen/Bradley/Pietrus
Pierce/Prince/Joseph
KG/Charlie V/Sullinger
Camby/Stiems/Melo

Should be good enough to push the Heat.

[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]Do a S&T centered around Jeff Green and JaJaun Johnson for Charlie V and Prince. MLE on Camby. Give Allen a shiny 2 year deal.

Rondo/Vet Min./Moore
Allen/Bradley/Pietrus
Pierce/Prince/Joseph
KG/Charlie V/Sullinger
Camby/Stiems/Melo

Should be good enough to push the Heat.[/QUOTE]

lol charlie v and prince?

i love my pistons but really?

[QUOTE=Stuckey]lol charlie v and prince?

i love my pistons but really?[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% - Prince would be okay (just not at that contract) but Charlie V..... he's probably the last player in the NBA I would want on this team. He is a team cancer and looks like he has it, too.
[COLOR="White"]Hey just quoting Garnett[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]Do a S&T centered around Jeff Green and JaJaun Johnson for Charlie V and Prince. MLE on Camby. Give Allen a shiny 2 year deal.

Rondo/Vet Min./Moore
Allen/Bradley/Pietrus
Pierce/Prince/Joseph
KG/Charlie V/Sullinger
Camby/Stiems/Melo

Should be good enough to push the Heat.[/QUOTE]

That trade would be cancerous to our team.

Christ, if you want to rid of Green, at least see if Atlanta would go for Green/Bass for Smith.

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]I'm not sure why people are still obsessed with stocking up on front court depth with Boston. One quality center is fantastic, but this isn't 2010 anymore and Dwight with Orlando isn't a huge obstacle. The reason I like my suggestion is because it gives the Celtics defensive options for LeBron and Wade. Sort of like how the Thunder ran out and traded for Perkins to try and contain Bynum in the post-season, Boston needs to run out and sign guys who have been known to give LeBron problems. Stop LeBron and you've improved your odds of beating Miami tremendously.[/QUOTE]

Which is why focusing on a centre should be our last priority. We have a "Wade-stopper" (Bradley) and a "Bosh-stopper" (KG), what we need is another guy to guard LeBron (Green) and more offense from our bench (which is what Mayo would be ideal for). He's not the finished article by any means, but he's 24, and he can score. What more are you going to get with $6m or so?

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Which is why focusing on a centre should be our last priority. We have a "Wade-stopper" (Bradley) and a "Bosh-stopper" (KG), what we need is another guy to guard LeBron (Green) and more offense from our bench (which is what Mayo would be ideal for). He's not the finished article by any means, but he's 24, and he can score. What more are you going to get with $6m or so?[/QUOTE]

I think signing Green and DeShawn would be incredible in that respect. I'm not sold on Green but I know his length can be a nuisance for his defensive assignments.

Honestly, the thought of putting Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Green/KG on the floor and being able to spell Pierce and Bradley with guys like DeShawn is just... :eek: ...imagine if Boston brought James Posey back too, to see if he had any gas left in the tank?

If Boston got Camby, resigned Wilcox and Green and signed DeShawn, on TOP of drafting a defensive big in Melo and a steal in Sullinger, Ainge should have a parade thrown in his honor.

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]
Honestly, the thought of putting Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Green/KG on the floor and being able to spell Pierce and Bradley with guys like DeShawn is just... :eek: ...imagine if Boston brought [B][SIZE="7"]James Posey [/SIZE][/B]back too, to see if he had any gas left in the tank?
[/QUOTE]

James Posey is finished.

[QUOTE=Raz]James Posey is finished.[/QUOTE]

You're speculating. And for the smallest contract available at the deadline, I'd take my chances. It beats paying to have some scrub like Sean Williams at the end of the bench.

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]I think signing Green and DeShawn would be incredible in that respect. I'm not sold on Green but I know his length can be a nuisance for his defensive assignments.

Honestly, the thought of putting Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Green/KG on the floor and being able to spell Pierce and Bradley with guys like DeShawn is just... :eek: ...imagine if Boston brought James Posey back too, to see if he had any gas left in the tank?

If Boston got Camby, resigned Wilcox and Green and signed DeShawn, on TOP of drafting a defensive big in Melo and a steal in Sullinger, Ainge should have a parade thrown in his honor.[/QUOTE]
man if only that happened
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=BallsOut]Actually, I feel like Mayo is a lot better option than Terry at this point and worth the extra 1-2 mill per season if that's what it would take for the Celtics to land him.

Mayo is a legit SG. Terry is a bit undersized at SG. and Mayo is only 24 vs. Terry who is 10 years older at 34.

PG: Rondo/Watson
SG: Bradley/Mayo
SF: Pierce/Hill/Stevenson
PF: KG/Bass/Sullinger
C: Hawes/Stiemsma/Melo

Mayo can slide to 1 or 2, Stevenson can play 1 or 2. Now that's a solid lineup.[/QUOTE]

Looks like Celtics just offered Ray 6 mill per for 2 years. Gotta believe that's the best offer he'll get

PG: Rondo/Watson
SG: Bradley/Allen
SF: Pierce/Hill/Stevenson
PF: KG/Bass/Sullinger
C: Hawes/Stiemsma/Melo

Not bad. A second unit of Watson, Allen and Hill with Bass and Stiemsma crashing the boards. :bowdown:

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Yours looks like an older page. The page I'm looking at doesn't have Bass' player option on there.

[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/1zpoc9s.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

According to the Boston Globe, Celtics will still only have 5 guys on contract for the 2012-2013 season, including KG. :confusedshrug:

"Kevin Garnett has committed to returning to the Celtics, agreeing to a three-year contract believed to be worth around $34 million, according to an NBA source. Garnett, an unrestricted free agent, informed the Celtics before Sunday’s start of free agency negotiations, which should help the team accelerate talks with several players. With Garnett, the Celtics will have five players under contract for the 2012-13 season, including team captain Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. Free agent signings don’t become official until July 11; until then, the Celtics will decide whether to bring back unrestricted free agents Ray Allen, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, and Mickael Pietrus, among others." [URL="http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/01/kevin-garnett-returning-celtics-three-year-deal/j0pUVe3XVymN3gbwx7O1qN/story.html"]Boston Globe[/URL]

So, I dunno what to believe now. :biggums:

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]According to the Boston Globe, Celtics will still only have 5 guys on contract for the 2012-2013 season, including KG. :confusedshrug:

"Kevin Garnett has committed to returning to the Celtics, agreeing to a three-year contract believed to be worth around $34 million, according to an NBA source. Garnett, an unrestricted free agent, informed the Celtics before Sunday

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]You're speculating. And for the smallest contract available at the deadline, I'd take my chances. It beats paying to have some scrub like Sean Williams at the end of the bench.[/QUOTE]

I'm speculating? I actually WATCHED him over the last few years because I loved him on our championship team, and try to keep tabs on all the ex-Celtics I like (Al Jeff, Tony Allen, Delonte). His defense started slipping his second year in New Orleans, and then his shot went missing as well. No defense, and no shooting? He became a hug liability other than his above average rebounding from the 3. Posey is going to be 36, and he didn't even play last year. Educate yourself bro.

I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, but it pays to listen to other people sometime. Try being receptive to posters more knowledgeable in certain areas. I wouldn't pretend to know everything about the Hawks or Warriors players because to me they're two of the most boring franchises to watch.

Start with Dwight Howard .. problem he's not a team player

[QUOTE=Raz]I'm speculating? I actually WATCHED him over the last few years because I loved him on our championship team, and try to keep tabs on all the ex-Celtics I like (Al Jeff, Tony Allen, Delonte). His defense started slipping his second year in New Orleans, and then his shot went missing as well. No defense, and no shooting? He became a hug liability other than his above average rebounding from the 3. Posey is going to be 36, and he didn't even play last year. Educate yourself bro.

I'm not trying to sound like an ass here, but it pays to listen to other people sometime. Try being receptive to posters more knowledgeable in certain areas. I wouldn't pretend to know everything about the Hawks or Warriors players because to me they're two of the most boring franchises to watch.[/QUOTE]

...and you're automatically more knowledgeable than others, right? Talk about being full of yourself. Just because you run some blog doesn't make you an authority on anything. :rolleyes:

Celtics still need to go after Spencer Hawes, Grant Hill, and DeShawn Stevenson in order to beat the Heat.

[QUOTE=BallsOut]Let me rephrase.

Construct a Boston Celtics Team that Beats the Miami Heat and the Refs Next Season[/QUOTE]

Can't be done

[QUOTE=BallsOut]Celtics still need to go after Spencer Hawes, Grant Hill, and DeShawn Stevenson in order to beat the Heat.[/QUOTE]

DS just got signed-traded didn't he? I think he's out of the picture.

I'm still aching to see Spencer Hawes in a C's jersey. There's been no talk about him at all. Kinda figuring he'll stay in Philly unless someone makes a crazy offer.

Hawes for 3 years/$18 million would have been fine - before teams like Portland and Houston set the bar for absurd price tags for centers this summer. Hawes likely demands a contract damn near identical to Asik's.

I'd pay it and deal with the tax repercussions if I'm Boston, but that's just me. Not my money. Otherwise, with Camby leaning towards staying in Houston, Boston's center rotation is shaping up to be Chris Wilcox, Greg Stiemsma and Fab Melo, with Garnett sliding over to the 5 for stretches. :(

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]Hawes for 3 years/$18 million would have been fine, before teams like Portland and Houston set the bar for absurd price tags for centers this summer. Hawes likely demands a contract damn near identical to Asik's.

I'd pay it and deal with the tax repercussions if I'm Boston, but that's just me. Not my money. Otherwise, with Camby leaning towards staying in Houston, Boston's center rotation is shaping up to be Chris Wilcox, Greg Stiemsma and Fab Melo, with Garnett sliding over to the 5 for stretches. :([/QUOTE]

They should just go after Camby. I'd rather drop cash on Ray and Terry, then pick up Camby/Wilcox/Stiemsma for cheap.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]They should just go after Camby.[/QUOTE]

Boston was on his list, up until recently. Boston isn't even on the radar, according to 'recent reports.' Take that for what it's worth, of course.

Camby would be the perfect fit in Boston but, at 38, he probably has a great deal of emphasis placed on winning a ring or making one last dash for cash.

[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]Boston was on his list, up until recently. Boston isn't even on the radar, according to 'recent reports.' Take that for what it's worth, of course.

Camby would be the perfect fit in Boston but, at 38, he probably has a great deal of emphasis placed on winning a ring or making one last dash for cash.[/QUOTE]

That's shitty. I don't see why he'd stay in Houston he's made money in his career. I could see him going to Miami or Boston. Good minutes, while contributing and competing for a title.

I think they are pretty close and will be Miami's toughest challenge next year in the east at least. Even though they are older with Green back, Terry in and some good draft picks they stand as good a chance as they did this past season.

Obviously if Ray returns that makes them have great depth at guard.

They will cause Miami alot of problems again.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]That's shitty. I don't see why he'd stay in Houston he's made money in his career. I could see him going to Miami or Boston. Good minutes, while contributing and competing for a title.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he would make more money in Boston and have a legitimate shot at being an INTEGRAL part of a championship contender. If he goes to Miami he's just Joel Anthony 2.0 on the boards: clean up the paint, swipe at shots, If Boston was able to win a ring with Camby, his rebounding prowess would be one of the biggest parts of their victory... without a doubt. Miami could survive with or without Camby in the fold.