Portland Offers Roy Hibbert Max Deal

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]You're just laughably wrong. He was embarrassing as a rookie, and well into his 2nd year. He wasn't polished in any way other than being big (and out of shape, which has been corrected).

If his improvement isn't a good enough pace then I don't know what the hell you expect. Paying Roy Hibbert ~13.5 mil next year isn't the problem. The problem is max contract that make him "comparable" to guys like Durant. There should be no "max" contract. That's an entirely different discussion though.[/QUOTE]

Embarrassing because he was as weak as a fish and is a pathetic rebounder for his size. You realize at Georgetown the dude was known for his variety of post moves and killer hook shot right? Excellent touch at the rim? Good passer and solid jumper. You'll find that on scouting reports on Draftexpress as well as DraftNet too.

He was FAR from a "raw" prospect as most bigs from Georgetown rarely are.

13.5 mill a year is about right in the way of the recent trend of overpaying centers but he's worth 10-11 tops as Quizno said already.

Bottom line is... he's not worth 13.5 mill a year or w/e but WILL get it because he's a skilled center who's still young. I understand tons of players are overpaid but still surprises me every time. Max deals should be reserved for legit all star caliber players.

Love this move. If we get Hibbert it's a sweet move for Portland. If not we just screwed Indiana over hard.

Portland screwed Utah over before, now we're doing it again to another team.

:eek:

Maybe Portland did this (knowing Indy would match) to screw the Pacers over in cap space?

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If the Pacers lose Hibbert, then who do they have to play center?

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Al Jefferson! They have money to take him on.

[quote=Clippersfan86]Embarrassing because he was as weak as a fish and is a pathetic rebounder for his size. You realize at Georgetown the dude was known for his variety of post moves and killer hook shot right? Excellent touch at the rim? Good passer and solid jumper. You'll find that on scouting reports on Draftexpress as well as DraftNet too.

He was FAR from a "raw" prospect as most bigs from Georgetown rarely are.

13.5 mill a year is about right in the way of the recent trend of overpaying centers but he's worth 10-11 tops as Quizno said already.[/quote]And the report's wrong. I've seen every single game of the dude's NBA career. Have fun going through a bunch of DX profiles and prove how perfect they are. I watched the dude lumber up and down the floor after 5 minutes, watched him hang his arms over the top of every driving player on d, watched him bumble entry pass after entry pass. Draining baby hooks over 6'8 Big East centers isn't the same thing as playing in the NBA.

Look, you'll go round and round with no evidence to back up any of your points but your ignorant opinion and base PPG/RPG numbers because you can't admit you're wrong. I don't care to do that. I've seen literally every single game of this dude's pro career and watched him evolve from a stumbling bumbling nothing to an above average rebounder (that's right, check his rebound rate) that's become more efficient on a lower assist rate (meaning he can get the ball and make his own shot instead of just catching a dumpoff) and doing it all with completely inept guard passing.

If you want to continue being a moron about actual basketball then feel free.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Love this move. If we get Hibbert it's a sweet move for Portland. If not we just screwed Indiana over hard.

Portland screwed Utah over before, now we're doing it again to another team.[/QUOTE]

Tried to screw them over for Millsap but after the initially front loaded payment he's been a bargain. Jazz should have matched Matthews too.

Lillard, Batum, Aldridge an Hibbert very good core.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]And the report's wrong. I've seen every single game of the dude's NBA career. Have fun going through a bunch of DX profiles and prove how perfect they are. I watched the dude lumber up and down the floor after 5 minutes, watched him hang his arms over the top of every driving player on d, watched him bumble entry pass after entry pass. Draining baby hooks over 6'8 Big East centers isn't the same thing as playing in the NBA.

Look, you'll go round and round with no evidence to back up any of your points but your ignorant opinion and base PPG/RPG numbers because you can't admit you're wrong. I don't care to do that. I've seen literally every single game of this dude's pro career and watched him evolve from a stumbling bumbling nothing to an above average rebounder (that's right, check his rebound rate) that's become more efficient on a lower assist rate (meaning he can get the ball and make his own shot instead of just catching a dumpoff) and doing it all with completely inept guard passing.

If you want to continue being a moron about actual basketball then feel free.[/QUOTE]

I'm well aware of the fact that if I need a detailed report on his game you'd be more qualified since you're a fan of the team. Bottom line though is he's not producing at an all star level, nor was he ever raw like let's say a DeAndre Jordan or Blake Griffin. In comparison to most centers the guy has always had a soft touch in the paint and a variety of moves. I'm not saying he hasn't improved, just saying you're exaggerating his improvements to justify what you know is a bad contract.

I can't remember ever before a 13 and 9 guy getting a max deal. This guy is a mammoth and is the biggest center in the NBA right now if I remember and should be producing more. Marc Gasol got the max deal last year and is clearly a better player and even that is probably a bit much. Nothing to argue here, it's overpay.

I wonder with news of Roy considering the Pacers that the Blazers did this to screw with their cap space. :lol

[quote=Clippersfan86]I'm well aware that if I needed a detailed report on his game you'd be more qualified since you're a fan of the team. Bottom line though is he's not producing at an all star level, nor was he ever raw like let's say a DeAndre Jordan or Blake Griffin. In comparison to most centers the guy has always had a soft touch in the paint and a variety of moves. I'm not saying he hasn't improved, just saying you're exaggerating his improvements to justify what you know is a bad contract.

I can't remember ever before a 13 and 9 guy getting a max deal. This guy is a mammoth and is the biggest center in the NBA right now if I remember and should be producing more. Marc Gasol got the max deal last year and is clearly a better player and even that is probably a bit much. Nothing to argue here, it's overpay.[/quote]Tell me why Marc Gasol's "clearly better" without mentioning PPG/RPG.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Tell me why Marc Gasol's "clearly better" without mentioning PPG/RPG.[/QUOTE]

More consistent scorer, better passer, more efficient all around player. I'd say they are pretty equal rebounders and defenders at this point but Gasol is such a better passer and scorer that yes it becomes "clearly". Gasol is also a lights out free throw shooter for a center which is a very big bonus (yes I'm aware Hibbert is solid there).

It's free market dude. :facepalm

[QUOTE=spiegel]Lillard, Batum, Aldridge an Hibbert very good core.[/QUOTE]

It better be because Aldridge, Hibbert and Batum will be taking up most of the cap by themselves.

Portland always does this.

If all teams were as cunning as Portland free agency would be a lot more interesting.

Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .

:roll: :roll: :roll: :biggums:

[QUOTE=LJJ]Portland always does this.

If all teams were as cunning as Portland free agency would be a lot more interesting.[/QUOTE]

You mean if all teams had money to burn.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .[/QUOTE]
Uhh, how can anyone take you seriously?

Now that the clips are decent you can come out of your shell?
He's from the Clippers organization so of course he's speaking in those terms.

Indiana can match that right?

[QUOTE=TBlazed]Uhh, how can anyone take you seriously?

Now that the clips are decent you can come out of your shell?
He's from the Clippers organization so of course he's speaking in those terms.[/QUOTE]

So you're accusing me of being passive or quiet prior to last season despite mounds of evidence saying otherwise? I've always been confident in general :confusedshrug: . Just saying... this is a guy who's referring to Batum/Aldridge as legit franchise players (Aldridge might be... but Batum LOL?) then comparing them to all star starters in CP3/BG. Not exactly an unbiased guy.

Besides in this particular case I was just having a little joke at his expense because of the max offer sheet.

[QUOTE=EricGordon23]Indiana can match that right?[/QUOTE]

Of course. He's restricted. :D

Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.

[QUOTE=Haymaker]Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking they should keep him mainly because they need him in the paint but I agree he will likely not improve much.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]You mean if all teams had money to burn.[/QUOTE]

All teams do have money to burn, but most likely this move won't cost any money to the offering team at all.

lol, good grief

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Nope. They didn't give him qualifying. He's unrestricted and unwanted by Portland.[/QUOTE]

How do you not re-sign this..for 4mil?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi9AHvhUh9Q[/url]

[QUOTE=ispin69]How do you not re-sign this..for 4mil?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi9AHvhUh9Q[/url][/QUOTE]

Stupidity. He's extremely talented and teams keep passing him up. I'd love him on the Clippers but he wouldn't want to be a back up.

[QUOTE=Haymaker]Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.[/QUOTE]

indy are a player or two from being real contenders and you suggest they should let their top 5 C just walk? not gonna happen. he'll get overpaid, but look around the league and you'll find overpaid contracts all over. this won't be an albatross or one of the worst contracts by a long shot.

the market dictates the price. he's the best big on the market and every year, you're going to find the top 2-3 FA's get a max offer. just go back and look. honestly, hibbert getting a max contract was to be expected. sbnation and SI both figured as much. it's not like the rest of the league hasn't taken notice either....

He's a stud," an Eastern Conference general manager said. "He would fit in on any team."

What The hell was the point of the lockout again? Seriously?

portlands offer is not a big deal at all.

Indiana is going to match anything so its obvious that teams would throw a max at him to drive up the price.

as mentioned earlier, the dude is def not worth the max. he averaged 12 and 12 on 48% in 32 mins against the heat in the playoffs (who were playing him with 6ft 8 defenders lmao ).

the dudes 7 ft 2 and 280... and he averaged 12 dam points?

fken crazy.

the whole situation is ridiculous but in this market expected

LMA and Hibbert would be a pretty good front court, but I can't see Indy letting him go.

Lol at keeping Hickson. I like the guy as a back up but that guy was playing hard for a contract. Everyone knows it. He is not what a good enough defender to justify starting at center.

[QUOTE=LJJ]All teams do have money to burn, but most likely this move won't cost any money to the offering team at all.[/QUOTE]

All teams don't have multi billionaire owners. The Jazz had to take out a loan to pay the 10 million dollar signing bonus that Portland put in Millsap's offer sheet.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .[/QUOTE]

You're the worst poster on this board.

How can you laugh at an organization for 'throwing money' at an ALL STAR, when your pathetic flopping team that is LA 'threw money' at a absolute dud in Deandre Jordan. You're an absolute hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]All teams don't have multi billionaire owners. The Jazz had to take out a loan to pay the 10 million dollar signing bonus that Portland put in Millsap's offer sheet.[/QUOTE]

The Jazz have more salaries on the books than Portland right now. Even if you would include Hibbert.

So that renders your argument completely moot. They do have money to burn, and they do it at a rate higher than even Portland with their billionaire owner.

[quote=Clippersfan86]More consistent scorer, better passer, more efficient all around player. I'd say they are pretty equal rebounders and defenders at this point but Gasol is such a better passer and scorer that yes it becomes "clearly". Gasol is also a lights out free throw shooter for a center which is a very big bonus (yes I'm aware Hibbert is solid there).[/quote]Their TS% was .3% in Gasol's favor. Gasol's assist rate is surprisingly much higher, so I guess I have no argument there, but Hibbert's no slouch. The defensive rating's not close though, Hibbert is very much a better defensive player than Gasol. And they're probably both going to wind up with very similar contracts. Nevermind that when Gasol signed his big deal he put up remarkably similar (REALLY similar) #s to Hibbert.

I'm not arguing that given his impact he's overpaid. That's the name of the game, be tall, get money. But people acting like it's ludicrous when two teams (Portland and probably Houston), both of which are known to be fairly shrewd and intelligent, is just dumb.

And it's not comparable to Millsap. Millsap was in the division and had no other offer that approached his Portland offer sheet (far as I know). They frontloaded it specifically trying to put Utah in a bind and now Utah's got Millsap on a great cap friendly deal.

This deal sets a terrible precedent for McGee, Lopez twins, & Kaman.

Sam Amick: Indiana did not offer a max deal, and Hibbert is now leaning to Blazers unless Pacers match. One other unnamed team offered max. Twitter

When will it be my turn for a max contract:confusedshrug: