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[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Westbrook, the most athletic PG ever, would do some unspeakable things to Magic and Stock.[/QUOTE]
and with the game on the line..he'd make the WRONG decision
he'd have a lot of points and his team would still lose because he wouldn't make the right play at critical time.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Westbrook, the most athletic PG ever, would do some unspeakable things to Magic and Stock.[/QUOTE]
Mr 4 fer 20 in game 5 against Chalmers is gonna light up Magic and Stockton?
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Get real. This isn't Ehlo or starks guarding Jordan. You're dreaming if u think Jordan would dominate Kobe.[/QUOTE]
After what Navarro and Fernandez did to him 4 years ago when he his role was supposed to be "defensive stopper" I'm pretty sure MJ would.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Yeah like be funnelled to the big men getting rejected or put on his ass. Thus Westbrook would start shooting jumpers playing into the Dream Teams hands. And neglect the actual stars on the court with him by not passing.[/QUOTE]
I dont understand. He will get rejected and fouled due to D-Rob and Ewing protecting the rim really well, but that isn't going to deter him. Dude attacks the rim with the same kind of reckless abandon that AI/Wade/etc sport.
He does pass though, you need to stop being ignorant. During some of highest scoring games, he still hits open players. Chandler would make a killing with the big having to help due to the PG's getting abused.
[QUOTE=get these NETS]and with the game on the line..he'd make the WRONG decision
he'd have a lot of points and his team would still lose because he wouldn't make the right play at critical time.[/QUOTE]
You have to smoking if you think that Lebron or Paul isn't bringing the ball up with the game on the line. Moot point.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Mr 4 fer 20 in game 5 against Chalmers is gonna light up Magic and Stockton?
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Didn't he have one of the highest scoring games in NBA Finals history as well?
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Kobe=MJ
Lebron>Barkley
Magic>Westbrook
Durant>Pippen
Robinson>Tyson
(anyone bringing up Bird never watched the olympics....dude was hurt and was barely able to play more then 10 minutes per)
12' Bench>92'
Drexler was basically a worse version of Danny Granger and wouldn't even make the squad in modern times....Ewing didn't even have more moves the Yao Ming...
12' is the better overall squad.[/QUOTE]
Clyde a worse version of Granger. Shut ur dumbass up. 29 year old Mj>>>>>>>>> 34 year old Kobe
Unless you are cloning Scottie than one of Durant or Lebron is going to score at will. And this is Kobe against Jordan we are talkin about. Kobe doesn't need to shit him down. Just to make him work/tire.
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[B]funny thing is kobe is right... hes saying this based on todays style of game
slow old teams with legit pounding centers and floor generals dont really get the job done anymore
its all about young quick pg's, supremely gifted do it all strong tall wings and undersized extemely athletic big men in todays game
the 2012 team would beat the 92 team with todays style of play
the 1992 team would beat the 12 team with the old school style of play
so basically its all a matter of which team got in a time machine would lose...
kobe isnt out of line at all and they need to explain this to MJ[/B]
[QUOTE=juju151111]Clyde a worse version of Granger. Shut ur dumbass up. 29 year old Mj>>>>>>>>> 34 year old Kobe[/QUOTE]
Clyde is better than Granger but no one is exactly afraid of him. Drexler thrived in the open court. Good luck with that playing the 12 team. The guy would have considered a loser if werent for Hakeem. dude was a chump
MJ can talk.
He's played with some of them, he's been around most of them, he knows how they play. If MJ could give Gerald Wallace tips on how to successfully guard Bron and be on point, imagine what he and Pip would do to him?
The only and biggest problem is Bron, but it's mainly on defense.
But he can't move faster than the ball.
For all of the New Team's speed and athletic ability, nobody can keep up with a passing team.
The Dream Team can either matchup one on one, or play zone and the New Team will play right into the Dream Team's hands. Pick your poison.. either way Dream Team wins.
[QUOTE=guy]Pippen makes CP3 life a living hell.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Guarding PGs, especially one with CP3's quickness and handle, wasn't a strength of Pippen's. Quite the opposite, in fact. Team USA would be much better off putting Pippen on Kobe and MJ on CP3.
[QUOTE=tontoz]So Prime MJ and Drexler wouldn't have a decisive advantage over a declining Kobe and Robin i mean Wade?
:roll:[/QUOTE]
Wade would handed Clyde his ass on a platter. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Westbrook, the most athletic PG ever, would do some unspeakable things to Magic and Stock.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook wouldn't get a free pass to the rim against the Dream Team. Even if he beats his man he will have company (Drob and Ewing) in a hurry and he isn't known for his decision making. Malone might knock him silly a couple of times as well.
[QUOTE=andgar923]MJ can talk.
He's played with some of them, he's been around most of them, he knows how they play. If MJ could give Gerald Wallace tips on how to successfully guard Bron and be on point, imagine what he and Pip would do to him?
The only and biggest problem is Bron, but it's mainly on defense.
But he can't move faster than the ball.
For all of the New Team's speed and athletic ability, nobody can keep up with a passing team.
The Dream Team can either matchup one on one, or play zone and the New Team will play right into the Dream Team's hands. Pick your poison.. either way Dream Team wins.[/QUOTE]
Andgar, is this a blow out to you?
[QUOTE=tontoz]Westbrook wouldn't get a free pass to the rim against the Dream Team. Even if he beats his man he will have company (Drob and Ewing) in a hurry and he isn't known for his decision making. Malone might knock him silly a couple of times as well.[/QUOTE]
I'm well aware of this. I also know that penetration can kill a defense.
[QUOTE=GOBB]
The size of the Dream Team trumps them so much. [B]Come down the lane Bron[/B].[/QUOTE]
I would love to see Lebron bull his way into the lane and see Karl Malone standing there (with his elbows probably already in position). He was an absolute specimen and tough as nails. Worst part is he didn't give a shit. Would be a hell of a collision
But I really don't see Lebron being able to get around Pip as easy as he does today. When he wants to, he just backs up, gets a head of steam and races towards the rim. Pip is strong himself, and quick. And WANTED to lock you up.
Barkley on Kobe's comments:
[url]http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/12/jordan-barkley-kobe-dream-team/[/url]
[quote]“I just started laughing,” Barkley said. “How old is Kobe Bryant, 36? He’s 34? And he’s calling us old? At the time, we were only like 28, 29. … Michael Jordan and me were the same age. We were both 29.”[/quote]
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I dont understand. He will get rejected and fouled due to D-Rob and Ewing protecting the rim really well, but that isn't going to deter him. Dude attacks the rim with the same kind of reckless abandon that AI/Wade/etc sport. [/quote]
You dont understand basketball? Hilarious, werent you asking people if they actually played the game? Point is Stockon/Magic have help behind them protecting the rim. Westbrook will eventually jack jumpers when he isnt as successful as you think he will be due to his athletic ability penetrating the defense. He'll start shooting jumpers playing right into their hands.
So what Westbrook is super athletic.
[QUOTE]He does pass though, you need to stop being ignorant. During some of highest scoring games, he still hits open players. Chandler would make a killing with the big having to help due to the PG's getting abused.[/QUOTE]
Ignorant? Stop being clueless. Steve Francis 2.0. Chandler wouldnt make a killing with Westbrook. CP3 perhaps because CP3 knows how to get guys easy buckets. And he doesnt need to be super athletic to do it. Chandler would get abused by the bigs on the opposing team and I doubt he'd be that effective vs them on the offensive end as well.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Wade would handed Clyde his ass on a platter. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
And then you would wake up.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Wade would handed Clyde his ass on a platter. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
6'4 Wade can't guard Clyde. What in the **** are u on?
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Kobe=MJ[/QUOTE]
No. 34 year old Kobe does not equal 29 year old Jordan. 27-29 year old Kobe doesn't equal 27-29 year old Jordan, so no way in hell does past his prime Kobe equal peak Jordan.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Durant>Pippen[/QUOTE]
Again, no. 23 year old Durant is not better than 1992 Pippen. Better scorer and offensive player, sure, but Pippen had a greater all-around impact on games by 1992 than Durant is having as a 23 year old.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]12' Bench>92'[/QUOTE]
Ummm.....come again?
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Drexler was basically a worse version of Danny Granger and wouldn't even make the squad in modern times....Ewing didn't even have more moves the Yao Ming...
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You have to be the worst poster on here or the best troll. Danny Granger isn't even in the same stratosphere as Drexler as a player and, while Yao was good when he was healthy, he was never close to being as good as prime Ewing.
[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]I would love to see Lebron bull his way into the lane and see Karl Malone standing there (with his elbows probably already in position). He was an absolute specimen and tough as nails. Worst part is he didn't give a shit. Would be a hell of a collision
But I really don't see Lebron being able to get around Pip as easy as he does today. When he wants to, he just backs up, gets a head of steam and races towards the rim. Pip is strong himself, and quick. And WANTED to lock you up.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[QUOTE=tontoz]So Prime MJ and Drexler wouldn't have a decisive advantage over a declining Kobe and Robin i mean Wade?
:roll:[/QUOTE]
I said I would take Jordan & Drexler. Prime Kobe/Wade Vs. Prime Jordan/Drexler is a wash.
I want to see Brown come in on Karl Malone and Drob. He ain't out muscling these guys.
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]funny thing is kobe is right... hes saying this based on todays style of game
slow old teams with legit pounding centers and floor generals dont really get the job done anymore
its all about young quick pg's, supremely gifted do it all strong tall wings and undersized extemely athletic big men in todays game[/quote]
Yeah those guys were so non-athletic in 92. Chris Paul and Deron Williams aren't old school floor generals?
[QUOTE=tontoz]And then you would wake up.[/QUOTE]
Get real. Clyde was overrated player that couldn't even dribble without looking down. :oldlol:
i think these two teams are closer than people think...
the 92 dream team had Magic and Bird who were well past their primes... The level of international competition is no where close to what it is today.. the international rules favor the current team..
Whoa Michael Jordan being a conceded ego maniac??? NO WAI
Kobe<<<MJ (prime MJ versus Kobe is already heavily favored towards MJ, but past-prime Kobe versus prime MJ? lol)
Lebron<Barkley (LeBron the more talented NBA player obviously, but no way LeBron can dominate internationally like Barkley)
Chris Paul > Magic
Durant>Pippen
Chandler<<<Robinson
Deron/Westbrook/Love/Anthony/Wade<<Malone/Drexler/Mullin/Ewing/Stockton
Dream Team front court would run trains on the 2012 team all game long basically. There is no one on the new roster who can contain even the 5th choice big man on the Dream Team. The new guys would get blown out, in terms of intelligence and versatility they can't match the oldies.
[QUOTE=swag2011]Why is everyone making a big deal about this? It must be just because Kobe said it, cause if anybody else said it they wouldn't give a ****.
Are people seriously gunna sit there and say this years team won't at least have a chance? GTFOH with that BS. I do think the 92 team would win, but it ain't as clear cut like people make it.
And OP STFU. Last i checked MJ said Kobe is the ONLY one who can be compared to him. Didn't say that b!tch you stan for tho :oldlol:
It really isn't as big. And i'm not even going to go into that sidekick BS. But the gap isn't as big. Even Phil jackson said Kobe is more skilled than MJ. The difference to me is that MJ was bigger, more athletic, and took way smarter shots.[/QUOTE]
Phil also said that Kobe isn't even in the same league as Michael. And he said his when he want coaching any of the two. So I'll let u decide which moment was more truthful.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Get real. Clyde was overrated player that couldn't even dribble without looking down. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
That didnt stop him from averaging 25 pts, 6.7 assists and 6.5 rebounds during the 91/92 season.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I dont understand. He will get rejected and fouled due to D-Rob and Ewing protecting the rim really well, but that isn't going to deter him. Dude attacks the rim with the same kind of reckless abandon that AI/Wade/etc sport.
He does pass though, you need to stop being ignorant. During some of highest scoring games, he still hits open players. Chandler would make a killing with the big having to help due to the PG's getting abused.
You have to smoking if you think that Lebron or Paul isn't bringing the ball up with the game on the line. Moot point.
Didn't he have one of the highest scoring games in NBA Finals history as well?[/QUOTE]
westbrook plays an attacking style....and there aren't any real centers in the league anymore
(score points, get boards, block shots is what I mean by dominant center(S) )
so personnel of the league suits his playing style.....
drob was one of the most athletic men EVER to play in the league and clearly the most athletic center .....he used to block shots without fouling people....
can tell you're a modern day fan when it's difficult for you to imagine centers patrolling the paint....not fouling westbrook but blocking his shots...
ewing,robinson, olajuwon, mutombo...just era of centers guarding the lane and no little men getting to the rim at will....jordan the exception....and he had body control where he'd avoid the block and still make the shot
Whole article from AP:
[url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jnqI0mWVmLpGfg-58_R1V1VkHAGQ?docId=e4b4e851e72d44c99cbe84ef7b3ce7d2[/url]
[QUOTE]CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Michael Jordan said there's no way Kobe Bryant and this year's USA Olympic basketball team could've beaten the 1992 Dream Team.
Jordan told The Associated Press Thursday that he laughed — "I absolutely laughed" — when hearing Bryant's comments that the squad training in Las Vegas could take Jordan and company.
Jordan said there's "no comparison" which team is better.
"For him to compare those two teams is not one of the smarter things he ever could have done," Jordan said prior playing in a celebrity golf tournament in Charlotte.
Jordan said the 1992 team, which included 11 future Hall of Famers and won its six Olympic games by an average of more than 43 points en route to capturing the gold medal, was a better overall team largely because of the experience it put on the floor.
"I heard Kobe say we were not athletic," said a smiling Jordan as he sat in a golf cart puffing on his cigar while waiting to tee off. "But we were smart. He said we were too old, but I was 29 and in the prime of my career. Pip (Scottie Pippen) was 26 or 27, (Charles) Barkley was 29, Patrick (Ewing) was 29 and Chris Mullin was 29. Almost everybody was still in their twenties."
Jordan's response came after Bryant told reporters in Las Vegas that this year's team could pull out a win against the Dream Team if they faced each other in their primes. Bryant said this year's team has a bunch of racehorses, players who are incredibly athletic while the Dream Team consisted mainly of players at the tail end of their careers."
Bryant's comments received immediate and sharp rebuttal from some members of the Dream Team, including Barkley.
Jordan joined in on Thursday.
[B]"Most of us were in the prime of our careers, at a point where athleticism doesn't really matter," said Jordan, the owner of the Charlotte Bobcats. "You have to know how to play the game."[/B]
Jordan shook his head when asked why he thinks Bryant made the comments.
"I imagine he's trying to say it to legitimize his own Dream Team," Jordan said. "But to me it's not even a question what team is better."
Jordan said Bryant is certainly entitled to his opinion — even though he said it's just plain wrong.
"For him to make that comparison, it's one of those things where it creates conversation," Jordan said. "I guess we'll never know. I'd like to think that we had 11 Hall of Famers on that team and whenever they get 11 Hall of Famers you call and ask me who had the better Dream Team. [B]Remember now, they learned from us. We didn't learn from them."[/B][/QUOTE]
Would you say the bolded words from the last paragraph is a subtle shot at Kobe?
[QUOTE=GOBB]You dont understand basketball? Hilarious, werent you asking people if they actually played the game? Point is Stockon/Magic have help behind them protecting the rim. Westbrook will eventually jack jumpers when he isnt as successful as you think he will be due to his athletic ability penetrating the defense. He'll start shooting jumpers playing right into their hands.
So what Westbrook is super athletic.
Ignorant? Stop being clueless. Steve Francis 2.0. Chandler wouldnt make a killing with Westbrook. CP3 perhaps because CP3 knows how to get guys easy buckets. And he doesnt need to be super athletic to do it. Chandler would get abused by the bigs on the opposing team and I doubt he'd be that effective vs them on the offensive end as well.[/QUOTE]
GOBB you can't read for shit. I understand basketball. I also understand that they call fouls during the Olympics, this isn't prison ball. Westbrook isn't scared of Ewing and D-Rob, can't believe you are even serious. Malone's shrinking in the moment ass isn't fear-inducing either. Westbrook just doesn't give a f*ck, he'll go after anyone.
A smart person could have retorted that Stock could use his dirty tactics to annoy Westbrook and throw him off his game and I would have agreed that could be a possibility.
No...not the mighty GOBB, he'd rather insult everyone and preserve his mythical air of superiority.:facepalm :rolleyes:
I understand basketball. I understand that Magic and Stock will need help which could free up Chandler for dunks and finishes around the rim since that's what he's been doing his whole damn career. Especially with Chris Paul at PG. Wow, how slow can you people be? I'm not even saying that the Dream Team won't win, that's how stupid you are. We are on the same side, my argument is that it is closer than people perceive it to be.
You have no respect for this era of basketball and it shows here. Westbrook is now just Steve Francis 2.0? Really? That's the best you could come up with? SMH. If Westbrook doesn't know how to get people easy buckets, yet every game I see him feeding offensively inept players like Collison and Perkins.....yup, your arguments make sense.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Get real. Clyde was overrated player that couldn't even dribble without looking down. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Wats ur point? He still dropped 25 ppg.
Why the hell would people focus on the Kobe vs Jordan matchup? Kobe is on the downturn and probably wouldn't be able to handle Jordan too well, but you got prime Lebron, Durant and Deron right now against players like Magic and Bird who were at the end of their career.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I always thought that 90 Jordan was his peak. The 92 version was pretty amazing as well, but I wasn't talking about a purely physical thing. I would just love to see Kobe's mentality going up against MJ and vice-versa. It would really be a treat to see.[/QUOTE]
I think you'd see the same thing you saw with Wizards Jordan going against the 20-something stars then. A guy who is ultra-competitive get frustrated cause his body can't do what his brain knows will work.
a true basketball god speaks
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]I think you'd see the same thing you saw with Wizards Jordan going against the 20-something stars then. A guy who is ultra-competitive get frustrated cause his body can't do what his brain knows will work.[/QUOTE]
Yeah something like that, but Wizards Jordan was really a nice player. I love watching him and when he got hot...watch out. I do think Kobe is still a couple steps ahead of that in terms of athleticism though.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Yeah something like that, but Wizards Jordan was really a nice player. I love watching him and when he got hot...watch out. I do think Kobe is still a couple steps ahead of that in terms of athleticism though.[/QUOTE]
Yep, feel the same way. Wizards Jordan was a very good player, but it was strange to see an aging MJ get beat on athleticism. I think Kobe would have the same issues against a team of guys between 25-29 who were the premier athletes and talents of their era.