[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.[/QUOTE]
altho lazy shaq >>>>> anyone else in the league lol
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[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.[/QUOTE]
altho lazy shaq >>>>> anyone else in the league lol
[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but lazy Shaq is still better than hard working Dwight.
[QUOTE=28renyoy]Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. [B]23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe[/B][/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Mr. Feeny]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
He's just trolling. Nobody actually thinks that.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]You must put a lot of stock in inefficient scoring.[/QUOTE]
You must put a lot of stock in efficient scoring.
If so
Dwight>Bynum>>>Lebron>>>Kobe
[QUOTE=NumberSix]You must put a lot of stock in inefficient scoring.[/QUOTE]
Scored 30 ppg in the playoffs with a 44fg%.
RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%
Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, but lazy Shaq is still better than hard working Dwight.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say otherwise.
[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Scored 30 ppg in the playoffs with a 44fg%.
[B]RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%[/B]
Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?[/QUOTE]
Those player's do other things though.
At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Those player's do other things though.
At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.[/QUOTE]
Melo isn't as good of a passer/playmaker and only averaged .7 more boards. Try again! Lol at "doing other things" as a reason for Melo being better.
I don't like using the words best or better because people all have their own idea of what that means.
Kobe's a better leader, he has more experience, a more complete arsenal of offensive moves. He'll get you between 25 and 30 points a night, 5 assist, 5 rebounds. Insane heart, desire and work ethic. Warrior, he's durable and will play through almost any injury. He still plays pretty good defense too.
Howard at this stage of his career is more dominant because of his size and athleticism. Huge difference maker on defense. Great rebounder. He'll get you an efficient 20 points per game. Doesn't get a lot of assists. Not a great leader. Pretty durable until recently.
Overall, Kobe is better on the offensive side of the ball and Dwight is better on defense. I'm glad LA has them both so I really don't have to choose one or the other. lol. If they win it all lets see who is finals MVP before declaring Howard better than Kobe.
[QUOTE=chazzy]Melo isn't as good of a passer/playmaker and [B]only averaged .7 more boards[/B]. Try again! Lol at "doing other things" as a reason for Melo being better.[/QUOTE]
Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.
Timberwolves are the team I follow the most in the league and Kevin Love is in no way or form near Kobe or any other Superstar.
He's a 15/13/5 guy that plays 0 defense in a functional team that wants to compete for a championship.
They need to start posting Pek more to end this madness.
Also lol at Melo has more of a post game than Kobe and lol at doing other things....what are you smoking?
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.[/QUOTE]
Melo - 6.3
Kobe - 5.4
.9 actually
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Those player's do other things though.
At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just reaching, Kobe can still play good D, rebound 5 a night give you 5 assists a night.
With Nash in town he'll finally get to play SG and not a combo guard.
My guess is that this year he'll average 25/5/4 on around 45-6% shooting, but hey, going in to his 17th season and still being arguable for top five just shows how great Kobe is.
While players like AI, VC, TMac, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen who all came in the same year or after him isn't even all stars anymore (except PP) he is still one of the best.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.[/QUOTE]
If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.
1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=chazzy]Melo - 6.3
Kobe - 5.4
.9 actually[/QUOTE]
Melo - 8.2
Kobe - 4.8
Where are you getting your numbers from?
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo - 8.2
Kobe - 4.8
Where are you getting your numbers from?[/QUOTE]
You're looking at his 5 game average from the Heat series, I listed the the 2012 season numbers
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.
1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe[/QUOTE]
That's my list as well
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo - 8.2
Kobe - 4.8
Where are you getting your numbers from?[/QUOTE]
His 8,2 was in the playoffs (5 games) in 41 minutes a game
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.
1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe[/QUOTE]
This is the only list that right, although i'd put kobe over cp3, depending on the day,
And NumberSix no one takes you seriously, since you're known as one of the biggest kobe haters on here anyway.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]If [B]DWade ain't better than Kobe[/B], then neither is Melo.
1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe[/QUOTE]
I personally believe that Wade is currently a better player than Kobe, but there's no proof of that. All we can judge is recent performance, and Wade didn't have a great season last year. He wasn't healthy, but we can't go by hypothetical "if he was healthy" scenarios.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo - 8.2
Kobe - 4.8
Where are you getting your numbers from?[/QUOTE]
Kobe: 28 5 5 43%
Melo: 23 6 4 43%
:facepalm
Numbersix has his own stats.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo - 8.2
Kobe - 4.8
Where are you getting your numbers from?[/QUOTE]
Carmelo Anthony did not average 8.2 rebounds last year.
basketball-reference.com has him at 6.3.
[QUOTE=LamarOdom][B]His 8,2 was in the playoffs[/B] (5 games) in 41 minutes a game[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what we're talking about?
This is your post that started this discussion.
[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Scored 30 ppg [B]in the playoffs [/B]with a 44fg%.
RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%
Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dictator]Kobe: 28 5 5 43%
Melo: 23 6 4 43%
:facepalm
Numbersix has his own stats.[/QUOTE]
Playoffs
Kobe is not the best player now, but he is the leader, the heart of the Lakers. It's his team, at least for now.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Isn't that what we're talking about?
This is your post that started this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, he played pretty good in the [U]5 games[/U] he played in the playoffs before getting sent home........again. lol
At least it wasn't a sweep. lol
[QUOTE=Dictator]Playoff Melo vs Kobe
Kobe: 30 5 4 44%
Melo: 28 8 2 42%[/QUOTE]
see 3 posts above yours
[QUOTE=NumberSix]see 3 posts above yours[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Playoffs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dictator]Playoff Melo vs Kobe
Kobe: 30 5 4 44%
Melo: 28 8 2 42%[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
[QUOTE=Kobe 4 The Win]Oh yeah, [B]he played pretty good in the [U]5 games[/B][/U] he played in the playoffs before getting sent home........again. lol
At least it wasn't a sweep. lol[/QUOTE]
Yes, I understand the sample size.
I'm not saying Carmelo is definitively the better player. I'm just saying it's [B]my opinion[/B] that I don't think Kobe will be the better player his 17th season in the league.
I believe Melo is in his prime years and Kobe is at least 3 or 4 years past his.
Marshmelo Anthony does do "other things" that Kobe doesn't do.
Like losing in the first round almost every year. lol
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Isn't that what we're talking about?
This is your post that started this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god the stupidness in your post ceases to amaze me.
First of all Carmelo played against the Heat with no good rebounder, second of all I used the playoff to show you Kobe could still can score efficiently on a high volume. Thirdly Carmelo only played 5 games so it wes unfair of me to use him but he has had even worse efficiency in previous years.
Kobe played twelve games so that's at least enough games. JH and RWB both played 20 games that's like a third of this years regular season so their stats also do them justice.
And even if he had more rebounds Kobe still was the better player.
[QUOTE=Dictator]:biggums:[/QUOTE]
The stats you just posted is what we've been discussing this whole time. the 2011-2012 season PLAYOFFS.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, I understand the sample size.
I'm not saying Carmelo is definitively the better player. I'm just saying it's [B]my opinion[/B] that I don't think Kobe will be the better player his 17th season in the league.
[B]I believe Melo is in his prime years and Kobe is at least 3 or 4 years past his[/B].[/QUOTE]
Can't disagree with you there. But so far Kobe past his prime has appeared to be better than most players in their prime. Things could change this year but I doubt it.
[QUOTE=LamarOdom]Oh my god the stupidness in your post ceases to amaze me.
First of all Carmelo played against the Heat with no good rebounder, second of all I used the playoff to show you Kobe could still can score efficiently on a high volume. [B]Thirdly Carmelo only played 5 games so it wes unfair of me to use him but he has had even worse efficiency in previous years.[/B]
Kobe played twelve games so that's at least enough games. JH and RWB both played 20 games that's like a third of this years regular season so their stats also do them justice.
And even if he had more rebounds Kobe still was the better player.[/QUOTE]
I didn't bring up Kobe and Melo's playoff stats. I didn't initiate this line of discussion. I'm just answering what was initially presented.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]The stats you just posted is what we've been discussing this whole time. the 2011-2012 season PLAYOFFS.[/QUOTE]
Yet melo is better? Even lin lead the team better than melo...
[QUOTE=Dictator][B]Yet melo is better[/B]? Even lin lead the team better than melo...[/QUOTE]
Again, I didn't bring this up. I'm just answering what is being said. I never initiated comparing last year's layoff stats.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]I didn't bring up Kobe and Melo's playoff stats. I didn't initiate this line of discussion. I'm just answering what was initially presented.[/QUOTE]
So Kobe's playoff stats and RS stats is better, on top of that he is a better defender, playmaker etc. but still you think Melo is better than him?
naw he's not
Dwight Howard is clearly the best player on the Lakers.