Serge Ibaka has reached agreement on a four-year, 48 million contract extension

:roll: :roll:

is it crazy to think mcgee could be as good as ibaka with the right coaching?

[QUOTE=kurple]is it crazy to think mcgee could be as good as ibaka with the right coaching?[/QUOTE]
It's not crazy but McGhee is a bit of a dumbass, no hate but he is. I'm not sure that ever completely goes away.

[QUOTE=niko]It's not crazy but McGhee is a bit of a dumbass, no hate but he is. I'm not sure that ever completely goes away.[/QUOTE]
nah, i defenitely see what you are saying. but i think his stupidity is a bit overrated, and that he could ba a very good bball player with the ballIQ he's got + good coaching

Ibaka just got overpaid. He's a good shot blocker, and that's it. Stupid player who just robbed Sam Presti. He should have tried turning Ibaka and Harden into some sick assets.

[QUOTE=kurple]is it crazy to think mcgee could be as good as ibaka with the right coaching?[/QUOTE]

Not at all, you can see some glimpse of greatness from mcgee sometimes. Low bbiq though, but it will improve as he gets older.

Seriously? 12 million a year for him? Wow.

[QUOTE=OG LeeTSkeeT]Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Oklahoma City Thunder forward Serge Ibaka has reached agreement on a four-year contract extension, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Story will be posted soon on Y! Sports.

[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--serge-ibaka-reaches-agreement-on-


four-year-extension-with-oklahoma-city.html[/url][/QUOTE]


What'll they do with Perkins? Ainge was a genius to get rid of him. I'll admit I was extremely disappointed but now I see why.

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]How much are max contracts worth under the new CBA?[/QUOTE]

:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=UtahJazzFan88]Seriously? 12 million a year for him? Wow.[/QUOTE]

thats the same as bogut, LMA, horford, noah and marc gasol.

so that sounds about right to me, assuming ibaka continues to improve

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

it varies based on a lot of things

how long a player has been with his team, whether he has made all-star teams, been mvp, voted to all-nba teams

there are a lot of different factors

[QUOTE=UtahJazzFan88]Seriously? 12 million a year for him? Wow.[/QUOTE]

Yea, seriously. Dude isn't all that good. He's a good defender, but he can't do much else. However, in the NBA these days, as long as you're over 6'9 and can block a few shots, grab a few rebounds, and have some sort of inside presence, you'll get paid.

This is a great deal. He's a nice fit for the scorers they have on that squad and Ibaka should only improve.

If Andy V, Javele McGee, Nene, Ben Wallace, etc, can all get huge contracts that this contract for Ibaka is a steal.

I don't think Perkins gets amnied this season. I think they'll want him as a weapon against Dwight in the playoffs.

Now what about Harden?

[QUOTE=knickballer]This is a great deal. He's a nice fit for the scorers they have on that squad and Ibaka should only improve.

If Andy V, Javele McGee, Nene, Ben Wallace, etc, can all get huge contracts that this contract for Ibaka is a steal.

I don't think Perkins gets amnied this season. I think they'll want him as a weapon against Dwight in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I think the hype surrounding Perkins and his defense against Dwight is nearing barf material. Perkins is and always has been a far better defender on Bynum than Dwight (which makes the trade all the more interesting). Perkins does not do well at all against mobile players at the center position, hence he spent alot of time on the bench this past post season, as teams realize this weakness of OKC. He's the furthest thing from an offensive threat, and when guarding the pick and roll he goes from a defensive presence to a defensive liability - bad news for OKC with the emergence of Nash/Kobe pick and roll combo with Dwight.

Though Perkins is probably better to have than resorting to Collison or what ever big man they could receive back in a salary dump trade, Perkins is expendable in terms of what he offers (or doesn't offer) on the court. I think looking back, Sam Presti may regret trading Jeff Green for Perkins instead some cheap, bench depth. He'll also probably regret giving him the money he did, considering Perkins had little to do with OKC's success in the playoffs last year (it was their young guns that led the way to the Finals).

Amnestying Perk doesn't get you anything in return, and once Ibaka and Harden's (if he also resigns) contracts kick in, OKC will be hard-pressed to find a starting quality center for the cheap through free agency. Trading Perk will probably be the best option for OKC, and the sooner the better, as his value will continue to decrease as time goes on.

I would say based on Market value, that's a fair deal. Right around what was expected for them to do. However, it's gonna be a beyatch Keeping Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka/Perkins together.

Just think about it: (averages

Durant - around 18/yr
Westrbook - around 15/yr
Harden - Lets say they offer him 10/yr
Ibaka - 12/yr

They're headed for Laker territory. That's 55M/year committed to FOUR players. I don't see them retaining Harden at all. I feel like they are gonna offer him something like 4 years 30M and he's gonna go elsewhere and get a bigger offer.

[QUOTE=franchiez]Now what about Harden?[/QUOTE]
Harden knows he will get max offers if he hits free agency. OKC better offer him that or they'll just have to wait to match an offer sheet.

[QUOTE=lilbeastnani]I would say based on Market value, that's a fair deal. Right around what was expected for them to do. However, it's gonna be a beyatch Keeping Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka/Perkins together.

Just think about it: (averages

Durant - around 18/yr
Westrbook - around 15/yr
Harden - Lets say they offer him 10/yr
Ibaka - 12/yr

They're headed for Laker territory. That's 55M/year committed to FOUR players. I don't see them retaining Harden at all. I feel like they are gonna offer him something like 4 years 30M and he's gonna go elsewhere and get a bigger offer.[/QUOTE]

Westbrook will only be making $15 million a year? Seems low.

No way in hell OKC offers Harden, the reigning (though still overrated) Sixth Man of the Year, less money than Ibaka. That's why I asked how much is the max contract worth under the new CBA (thanks to Chips93 for the answer, vague but still, thanks), because Harden's market value is probably around $15 Million a year, and I'm sure if he hits the market some dumb team will offer him the max.

OKC will be as ****ed as the Lakers are with the new tax, minus the fact that the Lakers have revenue out the ass that shrinks the impact of those taxes. Meanwhile, OKC could be financially crippled during it's player's best years.

[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]Harden knows he will get max offers if he hits free agency. OKC better offer him that or they'll just have to wait to match an offer sheet.[/QUOTE]
I think Dallas will make a run at him.

Deal is official, team announced:

The Oklahoma City Thunder have signed forward Serge Ibaka to a multi-year extension, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Sam Presti. According to Yahoo Sports, the deal is for four years, $48 million.

Read more: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=10776[/url]

[QUOTE=chips93]thats the same as [B]bogut[/B], [B]LMA[/B], horford, noah and [B]marc gasol[/B].

so that sounds about right to me, assuming ibaka continues to improve



it varies based on a lot of things

how long a player has been with his team, whether he has made all-star teams, been mvp, voted to all-nba teams

there are a lot of different factors[/QUOTE]

WTF? Lamarcus Alridge is much better than Serge Ibaka and there is no comparison. Marc Gasol is just plain better too and should start to come into his prime soon and reach is peak. As far as Bogut...if he can ever actually avoid injury he's better than Ibaka defensively and offensively. It's as simple as that. Andrew Bogut would have the reputation down as the 2nd best defensive player down after Dwight howard if not for those injuries. He regressed in 2011 offensively because he wouldn't use the arm he had broke, but he has to be over that by now. I'm interested to see how he'll do this upcoming season for the Warriors as his ankle should be fine by then, but either way, a healthy Bogut is easily better than Ibaka.

[QUOTE=Raz]Ibaka just got overpaid. He's a good shot blocker, and that's it. Stupid player who just robbed Sam Presti. He should have tried turning Ibaka and Harden into some sick assets.[/QUOTE]



Sick assets such as?

How is Iblocka overpaid when guys like Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee are getting money in the same neighbourhood. This is a fair deal for Ibaka, not a steal by any means. He can still improve his offensive game and man defense. Okc once again shows why they have some of the best management in the league by locking him up before some idiot GM could offer him a max deal(I'm looking at you David Kahn). What OKC needs to do is trade Harden because he's definitely going to get overpaid big time.

Bad contract on paper but makes sense compared to other overpaid bigs in the league

Javale Mcgee got 11 million a year :confusedshrug: So I think he could possibly get more.

[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Javale Mcgee got 11 million a year :confusedshrug: So I think he could possibly get more.[/QUOTE]

And Roy Hibbert got offered the max too. Harden isn't taking less money to stay with them though.

While I was a little upset to see that $40M+ ended up being closer to $50M, I don't know what else Presti could've done. Odds are Ibaka was going to end up getting $12M per year offers if he hit the market in the summer anyway.

OVERPAID. Ibaka is so overrated as a defender, all he does is block shots that's IT. ~15 million in his final year ... what a joke.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012][B]And Roy Hibbert got offered the max too.[/B] Harden isn't taking less money to stay with them though.[/QUOTE]

:biggums:

Honestly, if I were the Thunder I'd try to have Ibaka bulk up a bit and run him at center.

Perkins's defense on Dwight Howard is so overrated, it's annoying - Howard is a mobile big guy who'll get his numbers regardless of who's defending him. Ibaka on the other hand can't defend perimeter big guys and considering his biggest (and perhaps only asset major) asset is his shot blocking, he could potentially be molded into a pretty good defensive anchor.

For OKC sake does Harden play better starting or off the bench or what lineup does OKC play with to win in a season? Does Harden buy into playing as the 6th man or does he believe he should be starting with max money?

[QUOTE=Snoop_Cat]OVERPAID. Ibaka is so overrated as a defender, all he does is block shots that's IT. ~15 million in his final year ... what a joke.[/QUOTE]

:confusedshrug:

Again, how is it overpaying when a number of teams would've offered him this much or more per year in the summer? It is what it is and, to be honest, $12M may be on the low side of what teams would've been offering him in the summer.

I just get a kick out of people on ISH rushing to a thread to claim how a team overpaid or got horrible deal when they re-sign a player who would've hit the market at the end of the season, and got just as big of offers (if not bigger) than he re-signed for.

Either way you put it the Thunder will be limited in future years....

They will be paying a lot of money to keep their core together or lose one of them.

Durant is on a 5yr/ 87 mil contract
Westbrook is on a 5yr/80 mil contact
Ibaka now at 4yr/48 mil

Harden isn't taking less than Ibaka so if they want to keep him his contract will be 4yrs/ 48-58(max) mil

And then you add in Perkins who's contract won't make much of a difference because they will be well over the cap. So either you keep him and have a avg C on the team for 24mil over 3yrs or amnesty him and hope Thabeet can fill his role.

The Thunder have done a great job by drafting these young players but now they have to pay big money to keep them together & work with little cash to build around them. And is a core of Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/ & maybe Harden enough?

[QUOTE=chips93]thats the same as bogut, LMA, horford, noah and marc gasol.

so that sounds about right to me, assuming ibaka continues to improve
[/QUOTE]
Give me all of those guys over Ibaka easily. Terrible contract, the guy is exclusively a shot blocker.

[QUOTE=WeGetRing2012]
And then you add in Perkins who's contract won't make much of a difference because they will be well over the cap. So either you keep him and have a avg C on the team for 24mil over 3yrs or amnesty him and hope Thabeet can fill his role.

The Thunder have done a great job by drafting these young players but now they have to pay big money to keep them together & work with little cash to build around them. And is a core of Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/ & maybe Harden enough?[/QUOTE]

Or they amnesty Perkins, see how Perry Jones plays this year, and go with an Ibaka/PJ3 frontcourt for the future. That, or start an Ibaka/Collison frontcourt.

Or they amnesty Perkins, don't re-sign Maynor, and sign a vet center for the minimum.

Yes, the Thunder are in "trouble" but how is that any different than what the Lakers and Heat have been doing by spending the majority of their payroll on 3-4 players t the expense of a good bench? The Lakers have a start studded starting lineup and good sixth man in Jamison, but the rest of their bench is shit. The Heat have their "Big 3" and Ray Allen, but the rest of their bench is pretty meh. I mean, that's now any different than the situation the Thunder would be in if they also re-sign Harden. I know they won't have the money the Lakers have, but they'd have a 24-25 year old core of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, and Perry Jones (if he pans out) to build around.

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]Give me all of those guys over Ibaka easily. Terrible contract, the guy is exclusively a shot blocker.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

He's 22 years old. You nor anyone else have any idea if this it for Ibaka. It's not like he's reached his ceiling and is done improving.

I'll ask again, what was Presti and the OKC front office supposed to do? Wait until the summer and be put in a position to have to match a 13-14M per year offer sheet or let him walk?

Doesn't he lead the olympics in goaltends? :roll:

:facepalm . They coulda haggled for 10mil/year

[QUOTE=KG215]:facepalm

He's 22 years old. You nor anyone else have any idea if this it for Ibaka. It's not like he's reached his ceiling and is done improving.

I'll ask again, what was Presti and the OKC front office supposed to do? Wait until the summer and be put in a position to have to match a 13-14M per year offer sheet or let him walk?[/QUOTE]
If a team is stupid enough to pay him 14 mil a year, then absolutely let him walk. Or trade him before then. If OKC thinks their current core is enough to win a championship, they have another thing coming. They're just gonna lose to LA and Miami every year until they're forced to blow it up.

I'm not sure how much you can trust his age. He may be older.

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]If a team is stupid enough to pay him 14 mil a year, then absolutely let him walk. Or trade him before then. If OKC thinks their current core is enough to win a championship, they have another thing coming. They're just gonna lose to LA and Miami every year until they're forced to blow it up.[/QUOTE]

Ahh...more ignorance.

So OKC's core isn't good enough to win it all? Did you forget how young their core is? I mean there's no way in hell a bunch of 22 and 23 year olds can learn from this playoff run and get better, right?

And the Lakers? Really? You mean the team where 3/4 of their "superstar" core are in their 30s and on their last legs at the end of the prime? This current Lakers team has about a 2-year window, tops.