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Good job starting a vote when Jordan is the unanimous GOAT here
People's IQ...
[QUOTE=jongib369]this is such a tough question....When ever I give a top 10 I never order them I just rank them in tiers..And when I do I always do 1.Wilt/MJ
Team success out of the equation...
Offense-=Tie...I want to give the edge to chamberlain but I cant choose
Most points, season: 4,029
Highest average, season: 50.4
Most points, rookie, season: 2,707
Highest average, rookie, season: 37.6
Most points, game: 100
Most points, rookie, game: 58
Most games, 50 or more, career: 118
Most games, 50 or more, season: 45
Most cons.e games, 50 or more points: 7
Most games, 40 or more, career: 271
Most games, 40 or more, season: 63
Most cons. games, 40 or more points: 14
Most cons. games, 30 or more points: 65
Most cons. games, 20 or more points: 126
Most points, one half: 59
Range =Jordan -For a lot of their careers not by much
Moves=Jordan- Wilt had amazing moves also
Defense=Tie
Rebounding=Wilt
Blocking=Wilt
Passing=Wilt- When he was asked to pass instead of focal point offense GOAT passing center
Steals=Jordan
Ball Control=Jordan
BBALL IQ=Jordan...toss up maybe :confusedshrug:
Drive=Jordan is a psychopath-
Clutch=Jordan- Wilt WAS clutch too!
Overall game Impact=Wilt- close
Domination individually during era=Wilt
Domination of Top 2 piers=Wilt
Willingness to be coached/change style=Wilt-Completely changed his style of play and took away his 15/16/ possibly 17 foot range of fadeaway. Jordan had a bitch fit if he didnt get his touches (WHICH HE DESERVED)
Record book=wilt
MJ .5 1 1 .5 1 1 1 1 1 [B]8[/B] WC ..5 .5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 [B]8[/B]
What the hell...Tie...AGAIN... :lebroncry: :milton
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I cant make up my mind...but I'll post anyway...Vote for both I guess which gives Jordan Edge anyway...Please dont hate on my opinion...Plus if I missed something/messed up give me a break...I've been up for WAY to long lol[/QUOTE]
First off, some of the advantages you give Wilt are just flat out wrong, but I won't go into that. Passing, really? Jordan was a very good playmaker. Just because Wilt wanted to "prove" he could lead the league in assists and did so, doesn't make him the better passer. From a few things I've read (and they could be completely wrong), when Wilt decided to try and lead the NBA in assists, it was somewhat detrimental to the team at times, and he was forcing passes. And I'd say him as the best passing center of all-time is very debatable, too. Then every time you give Jordan an advantage you throw in the disclaimer that that Wilt is very close in things like range. And of course Wilt gets the advantage in rebounding and blocks; he was a 7'1" 280 pound center and Jordan a 6'6" SG. Not to mention you apparently eliminate team success which would tip the scales heavily in Jordan's direction.
I mean don't get me wrong, I have Wilt in my top 5 all-time, and if you want to rank him #1 fine. It just seems like you're pushing a Wilt agenda and one jlauber on this site is enough.
[QUOTE=jongib369]this is such a tough question....When ever I give a top 10 I never order them I just rank them in tiers..And when I do I always do 1.Wilt/MJ
Team success out of the equation...
Offense-=Tie...I want to give the edge to chamberlain but I cant choose
Most points, season: 4,029
Highest average, season: 50.4
Most points, rookie, season: 2,707
Highest average, rookie, season: 37.6
Most points, game: 100
Most points, rookie, game: 58
Most games, 50 or more, career: 118
Most games, 50 or more, season: 45
Most cons.e games, 50 or more points: 7
Most games, 40 or more, career: 271
Most games, 40 or more, season: 63
Most cons. games, 40 or more points: 14
Most cons. games, 30 or more points: 65
Most cons. games, 20 or more points: 126
Most points, one half: 59
Range =Jordan -For a lot of their careers not by much
Moves=Jordan- Wilt had amazing moves also
Defense=Tie
Rebounding=Wilt
Blocking=Wilt
Passing=Wilt- When he was asked to pass instead of focal point offense GOAT passing center
Steals=Jordan
Ball Control=Jordan
BBALL IQ=Jordan...toss up maybe :confusedshrug:
Drive=Jordan is a psychopath-
Clutch=Jordan- Wilt WAS clutch too!
Overall game Impact=Wilt- close
Domination individually during era=Wilt
Domination of Top 2 piers=Wilt
Willingness to be coached/change style=Wilt-Completely changed his style of play and took away his 15/16/ possibly 17 foot range of fadeaway. Jordan had a bitch fit if he didnt get his touches (WHICH HE DESERVED)
Record book=wilt
MJ .5 1 1 .5 1 1 1 1 1 [B]8[/B] WC ..5 .5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 [B]8[/B]
What the hell...Tie...AGAIN... :lebroncry: :milton
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I cant make up my mind...but I'll post anyway...Vote for both I guess which gives Jordan Edge anyway...Please dont hate on my opinion...Plus if I missed something/messed up give me a break...I've been up for WAY to long lol[/QUOTE]
This post is disgusting. Offense clearly goes to Jordan, who OWNED both regular season, and PLAYOFFS. Winning 6 chips as the lead dog also. Therefore MJ = 10, Wilt = 7.
This is gonna be interesting.
Needless to say though, I vote [b]MJ[/b]
MJ.
This dude:
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+ 16 potm trophies, no room.. :D
Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
I got to go with the guy who was called the best player ever before he got a ring in Michael Jordan. I think Bill Russell is a close second since the reason you play the game is to win.
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Gawdbe
jk. His Airness :yaohappy:
Bill Russell
I say Magic, but it does say "according to ISH"
Chamberlain....
[COLOR="White"]MJ baby.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=ThunderStruk022]First off, some of the advantages you give Wilt are just flat out wrong, but I won't go into that. Passing, really? Jordan was a very good playmaker. Just because Wilt wanted to "prove" he could lead the league in assists and did so, doesn't make him the better passer. From a few things I've read (and they could be completely wrong), when Wilt decided to try and lead the NBA in assists, it was somewhat detrimental to the team at times, and he was forcing passes. And I'd say him as the best passing center of all-time is very debatable, too. Then every time you give Jordan an advantage you throw in the disclaimer that that Wilt is very close in things like range. And of course Wilt gets the advantage in rebounding and blocks; he was a 7'1" 280 pound center and Jordan a 6'6" SG. Not to mention you apparently eliminate team success which would tip the scales heavily in Jordan's direction.
I mean don't get me wrong, I have Wilt in my top 5 all-time, and if you want to rank him #1 fine. It just seems like you're pushing a Wilt agenda and one jlauber on this site is enough.[/QUOTE]
I just threw up some quick criteria and went from there, I know there are more to it then that...Wilt was a great passer, and the years before that he was the focal point of the offense and told to score as much as he did, so he didnt pass as much...but once he had great teamates around him he proved a point and maintained a damn good assist number with age going forward....I left out team success because its just that...TEAM...If your going to rate the best team players thats a whole different story...Bill Russell is ahead of wilt then. I was PURELY just focusing on what they can do...Your entitled to your opinion but from the footage ive seen, he does have a case for goat...BUT I admit, I probably should have waited to post criteria AFTER I got some sleep lmfao...i was up for 40 hours
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+ 16 potm trophies, no room.. :D[/QUOTE]
Can only imagine what Bill Russell's would look like with 11 championships, 6 MVPs (1 All-Star), gold medal and 8-10 Finals MVPs to go with 11 DPOYs had those awards existed during Russell's tenure. :bowdown:
Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Can only imagine what Bill Russell's would look like with 11 championships, 6 MVPs (1 All-Star), gold medal and 8-10 Finals MVPs to go with 11 DPOYs had those awards existed during Russell's tenure. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Someone should just make one. I mean you'd have to sort of guess on the number of DPOYs, Finals MVPs, and MVPs, but one of those for Russell would be insane.
Michael Jordan
MJ
Cool, a thread with an excuse to post Jordan Pics.
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Wilt Chamberlain
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[QUOTE=ThunderStruk022]First off, some of the advantages you give Wilt are just flat out wrong, but I won't go into that. Passing, really? Jordan was a very good playmaker. Just because Wilt wanted to "prove" he could lead the league in assists and did so, doesn't make him the better passer. From a few things I've read (and they could be completely wrong), when Wilt decided to try and lead the NBA in assists, it was somewhat detrimental to the team at times, and he was forcing passes. And I'd say him as the best passing center of all-time is very debatable, too. Then every time you give Jordan an advantage you throw in the disclaimer that that Wilt is very close in things like range. And of course Wilt gets the advantage in rebounding and blocks; he was a 7'1" 280 pound center and Jordan a 6'6" SG. Not to mention you apparently eliminate team success which would tip the scales heavily in Jordan's direction.
I mean don't get me wrong, I have Wilt in my top 5 all-time, and if you want to rank him #1 fine. It just seems like you're pushing a Wilt agenda and one jlauber on this site is enough.[/QUOTE]
So we should discount Wilt's far superior rebounding and defense because it wouldn't be fair to Jordan?
:lol
Yes, wilt was 7'+ and was a center which gave him certain advantages. It gave him the ability to impact games in a way that Jordan couldn't. Why should that be discounted?
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[QUOTE=M.Bustly15A5RU8]So we should discount Wilt's far superior rebounding and defense because it wouldn't be fair to Jordan?
:lol
Yes, wilt was 7'+ and was a center which gave him certain advantages. It gave him the ability to impact games in a way that Jordan couldn't. Why should that be discounted?[/QUOTE]
Poor wording on my part. I didn't mean it shouldn't be included when comparing the two players. If you did that then, obviously, you'd have to ignore things that Jordan had an obvious advantage in by being a guard.
[QUOTE=jongib369]I just threw up some quick criteria and went from there, I know there are more to it then that...Wilt was a great passer, and the years before that he was the focal point of the offense and told to score as much as he did, so he didnt pass as much...but once he had great teamates around him he proved a point and maintained a damn good assist number with age going forward....I left out team success because its just that...TEAM...If your going to rate the best team players thats a whole different story...Bill Russell is ahead of wilt then. I was PURELY just focusing on what they can do...Your entitled to your opinion but from the footage ive seen, he does have a case for goat...BUT I admit, I probably should have waited to post criteria AFTER I got some sleep lmfao...i was up for 40 hours[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. And if you personally want to rank players on ability and stats, and ignore things like team accomplishments, that's fine. I just don't see why you would do that. I understand that championships is a team accomplishment, but it just sound like a "go-to" line for Wilt fans.
Why shouldn't you include rings? The goal of any team sport is to win a championships and, if you're the clear alpha dog on a championship team, it says a whole lot about your overall impact on the game. I mean it's no coincidence that the consensus top-6 players of all-time (Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, and Bird) have a combined 33 championships. Yes, they were apart of some really good teams with a lot of talent, but the best players win. Going through the rest of my top 10 (Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe) and that's another 15 championships for a total of 48 between my top 10 players all-time.
Not a single vote yet for Scal?
:facepalm
You people make me sick.
Russ
[QUOTE=fpliii]Russ[/QUOTE]
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:oldlol:
Okay this thread is done...
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:lol reps
EDIT: apparently this earned me my first neg:
"You're fine, but c'mon man. thong slippin too high or something"
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275082[/url]
#1 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting
38- Michael Jordan
3- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2- Wilt Chamberlain
2- Bill Russell
1- Hakeem Olajuwon
1- Magic Johnson
Goes to show how easily people are duped by highlights and marketing.
[QUOTE=M.Bustly15A5RU8]Goes to show how easily people are duped by highlights and marketing.[/QUOTE]
Uh....
Championships 6
Finals MVPs 6
MVPs 5
Scoring Titles 10
All-NBA First teams 10
All-Defensive First teams 9
DPOY
#1 All-Time PPG 30.1
#1 All-Time Playoff PPG 33.4
#1 All-Time Finals PPG 33.6
I'm sure Nike commercials did that...
[QUOTE=M.Bustly15A5RU8]Goes to show how easily people are duped by highlights and marketing.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Take away all the marketing, and Jordan still has a GOAT caliber resume.