[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]The best was when RoundMound tried arguing Barkley was a top 10 player ever :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
[B]Broken Down Stats Suggest Im Right.[/B]
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]The best was when RoundMound tried arguing Barkley was a top 10 player ever :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
[B]Broken Down Stats Suggest Im Right.[/B]
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Malone
4. Dirk
5. Barkley
is how I would rank the top 5 PF. I already voted for Malone so don't count this as a vote for those making an attempt to tally.[/QUOTE]
Ranking the top PFs you've seen isn't the same as ranking the top PFs in league history.
[B]Bob Pettit[/B]
26 PPG | 16 RPG | 3 APG - Career Averages
28 PPG | 20 RPG | 3 APG - Best Season
2-Time MVP
[B]Championship - Beat the 1958 dynasty Boston Celtics, featuring Bill Russell and Bob Cousy. Averaged 24, 17, and 2 in that postseason.[/B]
[U]FMVP did not exist back then[/U]. Had it, Pettit would have undoubtedly won.
[B]Dirk Nowitzki[/B]
23 PPG | 8 RPG | 3 APG - Career Averages
27 PPG | 9 RPG | 3 APG - Best Season
MVP
[B]Championship - Beat the 2011 Miami "Big Three" Heat, featuring Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh. Averaged 28, 8 and 3 in that postseason.[/B]
FMVP
Recent memory says Dirk deserves to be ranked higher than Pettit. History says otherwise.
Karl malone
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Broken Down Stats Suggest Im Right.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]And The Whole Zero Rings Thing Suggests You're Wrong.[/B]
[QUOTE=ThunderStruk022][B]And The Whole Zero Rings Thing Suggests You're Wrong.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]Ring Crap Again...:rolleyes: :facepalm
Then Russell > Jordan Right? :confusedshrug: :no:
Watch the Games and See Who is More Dominant. Barkley is the Most Dominant PF Ever[/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Ring Crap Again...:rolleyes: :facepalm
Then Russell > Jordan Right? :confusedshrug: :no:
Watch the Games and See Who is More Dominant. Barkley is the Most Dominant PF Ever[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]No, Jordan >>> Than Russell. I Just Can't Put A Player In My Top 10 Who Has Zero Rings.[/B]
[QUOTE=iDunk]Moses Malone before Karl Malone? WTF.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if serious..
If you are, :facepalm but if you're not, :oldlol: good one.
Elgin Baylor
Zeke
Sir Charles
Barkley>Malone and Dirk
A single championship difference between Dirk and Barkley is not enough to forget all the failures Dirk had with stacked teams. If a championship was enough to put him above Barkley and Malone, then what the heck are Bird and Wilt doing above Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan? Why isn't Bill Russell [B]at least[/B] top 2 and Lebron almost top 10?? Then championships should help Robert Horry jump to at least top 50, right?
Championships are a great accomplishment that should be considered, but so are longevity, consistency, level of competition, rules and pace, skill-set and productivity, athleticism, health, and I would say that three other things should be considered in these type of evaluations: team-chemistry, character, and development or growth.
Because team-chemistry defines how a player was a factor not only during games statistically, but also how he exemplified leadership and promoted a winning mentality to others. Character defines the type of professional that a player strives to be, the type of effort a player gives on and off the court, almost like a visual measurement of a player's competitiveness. If a player fulfilled his potential, exceeded the expectations, and made the most out any situation in his career, then he grew into the best player he could possibly become, and that not only shows character, but straight up "love" for the game.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o"]Gotta give it to Zeke, the greatest little man.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Rick Barry won a title with role players(14ppg rookie Wilkes as #2) and nobody gives a damn.[/QUOTE]
Rick Barry
this list is losing cred with every guy thats voted ahead of Elgin Baylor and Bob Cousy from now on
baylor = 27/13/4 career average
Honors
1956-57 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1957-58 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1964-65 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1966-67 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (1st)
All-Star Games
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
1964 NBA
1965 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
7 NBA finals
Bob Cousy
18/5/8 career average
Honors
1947-48 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1948-49 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1949-50 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1951-52 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1952-53 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1953-54 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1954-55 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1955-56 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1956-57 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1957-58 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
All-Star Games
1951 NBA
1952 NBA
1953 NBA
1954 NBA
1955 NBA
1956 NBA
1957 NBA
1958 NBA
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
Awards
1953-54 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA MVP
Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
1957 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1959 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1960 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1961 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1962 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1963 Boston Celtics (NBA)
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]this list is losing cred with every guy thats voted ahead of Elgin Baylor and Bob Cousy from now on
baylor = 27/13/4 career average
Honors
1956-57 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1957-58 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1964-65 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1966-67 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (1st)
All-Star Games
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
1964 NBA
1965 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
7 NBA finals
Bob Cousy
18/5/8 career average
Honors
1947-48 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1948-49 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1949-50 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1951-52 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1952-53 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1953-54 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1954-55 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1955-56 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1956-57 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1957-58 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
All-Star Games
1951 NBA
1952 NBA
1953 NBA
1954 NBA
1955 NBA
1956 NBA
1957 NBA
1958 NBA
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
Awards
1953-54 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA MVP
Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
1957 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1959 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1960 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1961 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1962 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1963 Boston Celtics (NBA)[/QUOTE]
griff - where do you rank the 11 guys on the 35th anniversary team?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team
[QUOTE=fpliii]griff - where do you rank the 11 guys on the 35th anniversary team?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team[/QUOTE]
C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ( arguable goat )
F Elgin Baylor ( top 13-15 )
C Wilt Chamberlain ( realistically top 5-6 )
G Bob Cousy ( top 15-20 )
F Julius Erving ( top 14-15 )
G/F John Havlicek ( top 20 )
C George Mikan ( top 25 )
F Bob Pettit ( top 20 )
G Oscar Robertson ( top 11-13 )
C Bill Russell ( arguable goat )
G Jerry West ( top 11-12 )
I like KG and his one of my favorite player but putting him over Karl Malone, Barkley and David Robinson.. :facepalm
I vote for The Mailman
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ( arguable goat )
F Elgin Baylor ( top 13-15 )
C Wilt Chamberlain ( realistically top 5-6 )
G Bob Cousy ( top 15-20 )
F Julius Erving ( top 14-15 )
G/F John Havlicek ( top 20 )
C George Mikan ( top 25 )
F Bob Pettit ( top 20 )
G Oscar Robertson ( top 11-13 )
C Bill Russell ( arguable goat )
G Jerry West ( top 11-12 )[/QUOTE]
griff - someone on ESPN called you out
I don't post there anymore, but it looks like he/she is challenging your manhood
here's the link:
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/forum#!/topic/1346381902-360-450[/url]
Charles Barkley
Baylor
Barkley
So far it looks like this:
Charles Barkley - 10
Karl Malone - 10
Elgin Baylor - 7
Isiah Thomas - 6
Dirk Nowitzki - 5
Scottie Pippen - 1
David Robinson - 1
Rick Barry - 1
[QUOTE=IGotACoolStory][IMG]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0903/classic.ncaa.tourney.photos/images/001306336.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
mutombo?
[QUOTE=therammingman]mutombo?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1981/0406_large.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=pauk][img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1981/0406_large.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
i know....
but his face looks the same as mutombo in that picture of him on the floor clutching the ball after nuggets upset sonics in playoffs
Charles Barkley
[QUOTE=pauk]So far it looks like this:
Charles Barkley - 10
Karl Malone - 10
Elgin Baylor - 7
Isiah Thomas - 6
Dirk Nowitzki - 5
Scottie Pippen - 1
David Robinson - 1
Rick Barry - 1[/QUOTE]
Barkley has 8, Baylor has 6. Remember the rule.
Edit: Barkley has 9 now.
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Ring Crap Again...:rolleyes: :facepalm
Then Russell > Jordan Right? :confusedshrug: :no:
Watch the Games and See Who is More Dominant. Barkley is the Most Dominant PF Ever[/B][/QUOTE]
Ring "crap" ?
So winning a championship is crap?
[QUOTE=Rojogaqu11]Barkley>Malone and Dirk
A single championship difference between Dirk and Barkley is not enough to forget all the failures [B]Dirk had with stacked teams[/B]. If a championship was enough to put him above Barkley and Malone, then what the heck are Bird and Wilt doing above Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan? Why isn't Bill Russell at least top 2 and Lebron almost top 10?? Then championships should help Robert Horry jump to at least top 50, right?
Championships are a great accomplishment that should be considered, but so are longevity, consistency, level of competition, rules and pace, skill-set and productivity, athleticism, health, and I would say that three other things should be considered in these type of evaluations: team-chemistry, character, and development or growth.
Because team-chemistry defines how a player was a factor not only during games statistically, but also how he exemplified leadership and promoted a winning mentality to others. Character defines the type of professional that a player strives to be, the type of effort a player gives on and off the court, almost like a visual measurement of a player's competitiveness. If a player fulfilled his potential, exceeded the expectations, and made the most out any situation in his career, then he grew into the best player he could possibly become, and that not only shows character, but straight up "love" for the game.[/QUOTE]
Dirk had stacked teams? :wtf:
This dude
[IMG]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/03/08/sayitaintso_bulls/scottie_all.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Charles Barkley[/QUOTE]
:applause: [B]Sadly We are Few that Saw Barkley Play When Healthy and Prime
Charles Barkley was the Master of the Inside the 3-Point Line Game.
The Best Mid Range and Post Game Among All PFs and Never a Ball Hogg Like Many Others:
21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 58.13%
22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 55.13%
[/B]
Dirk
Karl Malone!!!
He only had the second most points in NBA history.
The Mailman had a long and great career.
[QUOTE]Ring Crap Again..[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
I don't know why you keep saying this and pull out the emoticons over and over again. As if everyone would just stop wanting to use rings in context for their arguments.
[QUOTE]Then Russell > Jordan Right?[/QUOTE]
I give you credit for not saying Robert Horry > Jordan, but hey, I'm cool with Russell > Jordan. Nothing absurd about it to me. :cheers:
[B][QUOTE][B]Sadly We are Few that Saw Barkley Play When Healthy and Prime
Charles Barkley was the Master of the Inside the 3-Point Line Game.
The Best Mid Range and Post Game Among All PFs and Never a Ball Hogg Like Many Others:
21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 58.13%
22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 55.13%[/B]
[/QUOTE][/B]
Had he not missed like a thousand 3s that might matter.
[QUOTE=Rojogaqu11]Barkley>Malone and Dirk
A single championship difference between Dirk and Barkley is not enough to forget all the failures Dirk had with stacked teams. If a championship was enough to put him above Barkley and Malone, then what the heck are Bird and Wilt doing above Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan? Why isn't Bill Russell [B]at least[/B] top 2 and Lebron almost top 10?? Then championships should help Robert Horry jump to at least top 50, right?
Championships are a great accomplishment that should be considered, but so are longevity, consistency, level of competition, rules and pace, skill-set and productivity, athleticism, health, and I would say that three other things should be considered in these type of evaluations: team-chemistry, character, and development or growth.
Because team-chemistry defines how a player was a factor not only during games statistically, but also how he exemplified leadership and promoted a winning mentality to others. Character defines the type of professional that a player strives to be, the type of effort a player gives on and off the court, almost like a visual measurement of a player's competitiveness. If a player fulfilled his potential, exceeded the expectations, and made the most out any situation in his career, then he grew into the best player he could possibly become, and that not only shows character, but straight up "love" for the game.[/QUOTE]
What stacked team has Dirk played on the last few seasons?
Dirk Nowitzki.
Karl Malone:banana:
It's way too late for this now, but you (Deuce) should have mandated that each voter give at least a couple of paragraphs of reasoning for their choice. That'll bring back the intelligent/thoughtful posters and cutail the ignorant and/or trolls. The mods should then sticky it so that we all can bask in the collective wisdom of ISH :D
Again, too late now. Maybe next year.
Elgin Baylor