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[QUOTE=geeWiz15]and with that, the Nash hype has officially gotten out of hand.
oh my freaking god.[/QUOTE]
a guy with a gilbert arenas avatar talking about undeserved hype ? :roll:
maybe you should enlighten us your majesty, why would the suns gett better with lehype instead of the mvp at the helm ? :confusedshrug:
[quote=Heretik32]So if we agree that the Suns would give Nash for Lebron, but not vice versa, how can Nash be the MVP this year? Just wondering...[/quote]
Here's a question for you: if your team had the rights to Greg Oden right now, would they be willing to trade those rights for Tim Duncan?
Greg Oden = 2007 NBA MVP
Oh, and LOL at GeeWiz. I can imagine you watching Suns/Wizards last week...after every Nash bucket or assist, saying "LeBron would be doing this even better"... :)
[QUOTE=ExpatSunsFan]Here's a question for you: if your team had the rights to Greg Oden right now, would they be willing to trade those rights for Tim Duncan?
Greg Oden = 2007 NBA MVP
Oh, and LOL at GeeWiz. I can imagine you watching Suns/Wizards last week...after every Nash bucket or assist, saying "LeBron would be doing this even better"... :)[/QUOTE]
Greg Oden is no LeBron James and Tim Duncan is vastly superior to Nash.
Bad analogy.
[quote]When did Nash become Oscar Robertson? I must have missed that somewhere along the way.[/quote]
**** I wouldn't even trade Bron for Oscar, ESPECIALLY if Oscar was 30 years old.
this is unbelievable.
[quote]a guy with a gilbert arenas avatar talking about undeserved hype ? [/quote]
excuse me who told you you could talk?
[quote]maybe you should enlighten us your majesty, why would the suns gett better with lehype instead of the mvp at the helm ?[/quote]
because Lebron is much better player than Nash. that ain't enough? let me break it down:
if you take Nash out of the equation everything about the suns changes. you can no longer base your offense around one guy zipping around the court firing pinpoint passes to shooters and dunkers. you can no longer, really, have a fastpaced PG intensive team.
Mike Dantoni is not a moron. he's smarter than you. he knows that if you take Nash out of the equation and replace him with the REAL MVP, who is a high post player, that the offensive scheme of the Suns will change. they'll still run of course. but in the halfcourt their offense will be based on getting Bron the ball in the high post.
HISTORICALLY, teams that base their offenses 15 feet away from the basket are more successful than teams that base their offense in the hands of a point guard. because PGs have to work harder for their points and the teammates have to work harder to get open.
what the Suns would do is this:
PG Barbosa
SG Bell
SF Bron
PF Marion
C Stoudemire
this team would feature Bron in a distributive role. Barbosa has handles so he can bring the ball up but it's immediately given to Bron, who is nearly as good at scoring as Nash and will look to hit one of the three point shooters or get the ball in scoring position to Marion and Stoudemire, just like Nash does. only it will be in a more controlled halfcourt setting and you'd have the added benefit of Bron's unstoppable scoring ability.
now that we've proven that the Suns would be a better team, ESPECIALLY as far as the playoffs are concerned, with Bron over Nash, let's explore the other reason Suns rape this trade:
Steve Nash is old. he doesn't have a ton of time left. once Nash gets old the Suns are finished especially since they passed up Marcus Willliams in the draft. Bron is what 22? the Suns don't lose any passing ability, they gain top 3 scoring ability and a high post option who puts more individual pressure on the defense, and he's 8 or so years younger.
oh yeah. and want Bron to take on a pure scorer's role? put in Diaw.
Barbosa
Bron
Diaw
Marion
Stoudemire
whose stopping that team? more importantly, whose stopping that team in the PLAYOFFS?
if the suns dont run the suns cant play, simple as that, they have a bunch of 3pt shooters who dont know how to play half court, amare can dunk courtesy of pick and roll dunks off passes by nash and thats it, there are many players who are better than nash, none of them can lead the suns the way nash does, you are still all puss.y hurt because of the mauling nash put on your pathetic wizards the other day ? ha.
[QUOTE=geeWiz15]**** I wouldn't even trade Bron for Oscar, ESPECIALLY if Oscar was 30 years old.
this is unbelievable.
excuse me who told you you could talk?
because Lebron is much better player than Nash. that ain't enough? let me break it down:
if you take Nash out of the equation everything about the suns changes. you can no longer base your offense around one guy zipping around the court firing pinpoint passes to shooters and dunkers. you can no longer, really, have a fastpaced PG intensive team.
Mike Dantoni is not a moron. he's smarter than you. he knows that if you take Nash out of the equation and replace him with the REAL MVP, who is a high post player, that the offensive scheme of the Suns will change. they'll still run of course. but in the halfcourt their offense will be based on getting Bron the ball in the high post.
HISTORICALLY, teams that base their offenses 15 feet away from the basket are more successful than teams that base their offense in the hands of a point guard. because PGs have to work harder for their points and the teammates have to work harder to get open.
what the Suns would do is this:
PG Barbosa
SG Bell
SF Bron
PF Marion
C Stoudemire
this team would feature Bron in a distributive role. Barbosa has handles so he can bring the ball up but it's immediately given to Bron, who is nearly as good at scoring as Nash and will look to hit one of the three point shooters or get the ball in scoring position to Marion and Stoudemire, just like Nash does. only it will be in a more controlled halfcourt setting and you'd have the added benefit of Bron's unstoppable scoring ability.
now that we've proven that the Suns would be a better team, ESPECIALLY as far as the playoffs are concerned, with Bron over Nash, let's explore the other reason Suns rape this trade:
Steve Nash is old. he doesn't have a ton of time left. once Nash gets old the Suns are finished especially since they passed up Marcus Willliams in the draft. Bron is what 22? the Suns don't lose any passing ability, they gain top 3 scoring ability and a high post option who puts more individual pressure on the defense, and he's 8 or so years younger.
oh yeah. and want Bron to take on a pure scorer's role? put in Diaw.
Barbosa
Bron
Diaw
Marion
Stoudemire
whose stopping that team? more importantly, whose stopping that team in the PLAYOFFS?[/QUOTE]
What he said.
[QUOTE=geeWiz15]
excuse me who told you you could talk?
[/QUOTE]
that's such a lazy answer. so now the king has to give permission to people so they can respond to him?
[QUOTE=geeWiz15
because Lebron is much better player than Nash. that ain't enough? let me break it down:
what the Suns would do is this:
PG Barbosa
SG Bell
SF Bron
PF Marion
C Stoudemire
[B]this team would feature Bron in a distributive role.[/B] Barbosa has handles so he can bring the ball up but it's immediately given to Bron, who is nearly as good at scoring as Nash and will look to hit one of the three point shooters or get the ball in scoring position to Marion and Stoudemire, just like Nash does. only it will be in a more controlled halfcourt setting and you'd have the added benefit of Bron's unstoppable scoring ability.
now that we've proven that the Suns would be a better team, ESPECIALLY as far as the playoffs are concerned, with Bron over Nash, let's explore the other reason Suns rape this trade:
oh yeah. and want Bron to take on a pure scorer's role? put in Diaw.
Barbosa
Bron
Diaw
Marion
Stoudemire
[B]whose stopping that team[/B]? more importantly, whose stopping that team in the PLAYOFFS?[/QUOTE]
How can a team with Bron and Stoudemire be cohesive?? It just wouldn't work. And Lebron being unstoppable beast in the paint wouldn't work either. You're not taking into account that Lebron is most unstoppable when he's in the lane, and so is Amare... So either Lebron would have to change his game to a perimeter game or else Amare would no longer be a factor..
[QUOTE=haterofhaters]that's such a lazy answer. so now the king has to give permission to people so they can respond to him?
How can a team with Bron and Stoudemire be cohesive?? It just wouldn't work. And Lebron being unstoppable beast in the paint wouldn't work either. You're not taking into account that Lebron is most unstoppable when he's in the lane, and so is Amare... So either Lebron would have to change his game to a perimeter game or else Amare would no longer be a factor..[/QUOTE]
LeBron would draw defenders to him when he drove to the basket (if he didn't, it is an easy layup). Amare would be there to clean it up if it was a miss or Bron could just toss it up to him for an easy dunk. As a matter of fact, I think Bron and Amare could work very well off of each other.
[quote]How can a team with Bron and Stoudemire be cohesive?? It just wouldn't work.[/quote]
:confusedshrug: if you say so.
[quote]And Lebron being unstoppable beast in the paint wouldn't work either.[/quote]
really! ok.
let's list off every single pairing in the NBA that's never happened and never will happen and say it wouldn't work. we can't be proven wrong! logic be damned.
[quote]You're not taking into account that Lebron is most unstoppable when he's in the lane, and so is Amare...[/quote]
and youre not taking into account that both players are automatic from 18 feet and that Bron can do more than just dunk.
technically EVERY player is most unstoppable when they're in the paint so..
[quote]that's such a lazy answer. so now the king has to give permission to people so they can respond to him?[/quote]
from now on, yeah. just him though.
[quote=RedBlackAttack]Greg Oden is no LeBron James and Tim Duncan is vastly superior to Nash.
Bad analogy.[/quote]
I suggest you take it up with the 2007 MVP runner-up, Kevin Durant.
P.S. You might want to try cropping the part that doesn't apply when you quote somebody. It's not that difficult.
[QUOTE=geeWiz15]:
and youre not taking into account that both players are automatic from 18 feet and that Bron can do more than just dunk.
technically EVERY player is most unstoppable when they're in the paint so..
from now on, yeah. just him though.[/QUOTE]
Ok... I know that Amare has improved his midrange game, but to say that he's automatic from 18 feet is a tad bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say??
[quote=geeWiz15]whose stopping that team?[/quote]
Nobody--they'd be awesome.
They might even win 31 of 33 at some point.
[quote]Ok... I know that Amare has improved his midrange game, but to say that he's automatic from 18 feet is a tad bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say??[/quote]
playing around with connotations doesn't change the fact that the original statement is invalid. to say that Bron, a player of infinite offensive ability, and Amare, the best finishing secondary player in basketball, wouldn't get along, is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=geeWiz15]playing around with connotations doesn't change the fact that the original statement is invalid. to say that Bron, a player of infinite offensive ability, and Amare, the best finishing secondary player in basketball, wouldn't get along, is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they wouldn't get along. I'm sure they'd have a ball (no pun intended). But the fact of the matter is, Amare is happy unless he gets touches... and lots of them. Lebron would definitely have the ability to completely change his game and become primarily a passer, but would he really want to?
Absolutely yes. If I have Jordan, Bird and Magic in my team, I'll trade all of them for Steve Nash, straight up.
[quote]But the fact of the matter is, Amare is happy unless he gets touches... and lots of them. Lebron would definitely have the ability to completely change his game and become primarily a passer, but would he really want to?[/quote]
Steve Nash dominate the ball like no other player in the game. balls in his hands 24/7 unless somebody is dunking or shooting a 3. touches isn't what Amare wants. what Amare wants is shots. Bron being primarily a passer wouldn't be that big a change from what he is now. it seems when you watch the Cavs that he's being forced to be exclusively a scorer these days. his problem is that he doesn't have anyone to pass to. no shooters, no finisheres on his team so he's got to do everything himself. I think having guys like Amare on his team would be seen as a blessing not an inconvenience.
since when can lebron even carry jordan, magic or larry's jocks ?
[QUOTE=geeWiz15]Steve Nash dominate the ball like no other player in the game. balls in his hands 24/7 unless somebody is dunking or shooting a 3. touches isn't what Amare wants. what Amare wants is shots. Bron being primarily a passer wouldn't be that big a change from what he is now. it seems when you watch the Cavs that he's being forced to be exclusively a scorer these days. his problem is that he doesn't have anyone to pass to. no shooters, no finisheres on his team so he's got to do everything himself. I think having guys like Amare on his team would be seen as a blessing not an inconvenience.[/QUOTE]
ok. point taken
However, my main point is that ALL of the Suns player are scorers and need touches.. So therefore, Lebron would have to down his own scoring to around what Nash averages, 20 a game... And the thing about Nash's 20, is that he's so damn accurate. He doesn't need a lot of shots, but he makes more than 50%..
Sure Lebron COULD make the team better. Most definitely.. And if he wouldn't mind dropping 10 points off his average or so, then yes. perfect fit.
But if we're talking about what Lebron needs, it's a good 2nd option, not a 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.. he likes to pass but lets remember he's NOT a point guard.
[QUOTE=TheHonestTruth]Absolutely yes. If I have Jordan, Bird and Magic in my team, I'll trade all of them for Steve Nash, straight up.[/QUOTE]
And I'll throw in LeBron and KG for free as well.
[QUOTE=DreamRockets]yeah, sure lebron is gonna run the best offense in the league as well as nash does :sleeping[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Nash was a better offensive player.
I think the Lakers would do the trade but why would Miami? Maybe if Nash was healthy their offense would run better and get guys more involved but they would lose a step on defense IMO. Doesn't make too much sense
[quote=IncarceratedBob]I think the Lakers would do the trade but why would Miami? Maybe if Nash was healthy their offense would run better and get guys more involved but they would lose a step on defense IMO. Doesn't make too much sense[/quote]
lol
[quote=Rocketswin2013]You're not funny[/quote]
he is very funny
[QUOTE=Doctor Rivers]he is very funny [I]looking[/I][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=20Four]:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
wow.
It is the equivalent of asking if you'll trade Anthony Davis for LeBron right now.
[QUOTE=wally_world]It is the equivalent of asking if you'll trade Anthony Davis for LeBron right now.[/QUOTE]
07 LeBron > Nash
In fact, the idea that people had to use age as an excuse to pick LeBron is mind-boggling. Christ.
[QUOTE=wally_world]It is the equivalent of asking if you'll trade Anthony Davis for LeBron right now.[/QUOTE]
Difference is Steve Nash had no titles and was an elite player for less than 3 years at the time. LeBron has double the MVPs and championships of Nash. And yea, I would take the next 5 years of LeBron over the next 5 years of AD.
[QUOTE=wally_world]It is the equivalent of asking if you'll trade Anthony Davis for LeBron right now.[/QUOTE]
Except LeBron led his team to the Finals the year this thread was made.
[QUOTE=Demitri98]Except LeBron led his team to the Finals the year this thread was made.[/QUOTE]
In the East...so it doesn't matter. So did Kidd, AI and other people whod never be able to do it in the West.
There was every right to believe Nash would have accomplished as much as LeBron has (in terms of winning) back in the days. Its easy to say that now, but imagine if things took a turn in another direction. There have been tons of NBA players who were exciting, athletic and seemingly had the whole package that just couldn't get it done. What if LeBron panned out to be Vince Carter? What if the Suns did win a chip or two with Phoenix?
I'm not saying there is no way the Suns would consider trading Nash for Bron at that time, but there's a good reason why they wouldn't.