Looper is getting amazing reviews

[QUOTE=D-Rose]Was a great film :cheers:

Anyone think there's any chance of additional movie in this universe? Guessing only prequels could include JGL...well what if they did a sequel in which a Joe goes back at a different time before this film and changes the events that happened here? Or an evil person does that to ensure rainmaker is in power. Mindblowing possibilities lol[/QUOTE]
I would like a spin-off type film where we see what happens to CID and what new life he led.. It would have a great set up in Looper and a foundation for its premise but wont be tied down to any specifics, so it can basically turn into any type of film imagined.

Maybe he does the same things.. (infiltrate the mob, take over.. to destroy the time machines.. instead of the Loopers themselves..that way Joe never becomes one gets to live a different version of his life and gets to meet the china female ) then have it occur where he meets a chick that is being threatened by the MOB and he takes them down with intellect ingenuity and his TK..


There is a bunch of different possible scenarios that could be explored, but that's the one id prefer.

[QUOTE=D-Rose]SPOILERS:


There is one thing I need some explanation on. When Bruce first comes back and attacks JGL and runs away, JGL wakes up and goes back to the city. He falls off the apartment and the screen goes black. Then it cuts back to JGL waiting for his target and it's Bruce and he kills him. Then it goes on to show the next 30 years and then Bruce comes back to 2044 and it shows his perspective from back from the top of this paragraph till when JGL falls off the apartment.

So what was the part where he gets shot by JGL all about? A dream? Or is it showing that since he killed him and closed the loop, there's 30 years left to live and when he is forced to come back to 2044, he changes the past by not getting killed?[/QUOTE]
Two different timelines.

One occured first.. and it was a catalyst for the second timeline to occur.

[QUOTE=ZeN]Two different timelines.

One occured first.. and it was a catalyst for the second timeline to occur.[/QUOTE]
Ah I see that makes sense, kinda pulled a Donnie Darko on me there lol

Here is your prequel D-Rose: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M[/url]

[QUOTE=Myth]Here is your prequel D-Rose: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M[/url][/QUOTE]
:lol

[QUOTE=D-Rose]Piper Perabo was hot, but wow those tits are tiny.

As for the ending: SPOILERS DON'T REAF FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN: Its not just that Cid's life is spared so he isn't bad in the future. Its that in the last scene he finally makes a connection with Sara (as his TK fury is being unleashed). He finally accepts her emotionally as his mother and that is powerful enough to change his future. Time travel is so complicated, but the ending was rather simple. A lot of people also thinking Cid is Joe because of the hair things at the end, not true IMO just a symbolic image. and also the mob boss (Abe) from the future was the same person as the other guy...who keeps failing but catches Bruce towards the end.[/QUOTE]

Meh I can accept that ending but its still iffy and a bit too 'simple' of an ending for a movie that wanted to be smart. Cid accepting his her as his mom in one traumatic incident is to convenient and ignores many variables, he could feel different the very next day, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Mr Know It All]Meh I can accept that ending but its still iffy and a bit too 'simple' of an ending for a movie that wanted to be smart. Cid accepting his her as his mom in one traumatic incident is to convenient and ignores many variables, he could feel different the very next day, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
We don't know that he still grows up to be the rainmaker, but we don't know that he doesn't either. That's one of the cool things, joes sacrifice didnt make him good, it just gave him the opportunity to be good.

Just saw it. Seemed to be leading up to something great, but ended up just good.

SPOILER ALERT.......[I].actually why is anyone reading this thread if haven't seen movie.........hey, it's your own fault.....[/I]

I also thought the ending was weak and that they had another major twist or clever resolution coming. We didn't get that.

So JGL decides to kill himself to save some kid he barely knows who may or may not grow up to be some evil reckoning machine? Huh? Why? I don't know.....fell into typical movie logic......so the kid has a "breakthrough" JUST at that moment. Convenient. And how does JGL even know killing himself will work?

Good concept........crafted really well.......but that last 1/3 of the movie wasn't thought out that well.......

Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob[/QUOTE]

Also, he saves the kid's mom. One aspect I liked about this movie is that he never meets the asian wife who saves him, but instead he finds his own soul mate (at least the way I view it) in the mother, and she is his own savior.

[QUOTE=Myth]Also, he saves the kid's mom. One aspect I liked about this movie is that he never meets the asian wife who saves him, but instead he finds his own soul mate (at least the way I view it) in the mother, and she is his own savior.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree that's why Bruce had to slap himself and remind him of the Chinese woman when joe met the mom. What I was saying though was that I think joe was intentionally saving the woman he hadn't met. He knew he was saving the mom and the girl and maybe the kid based on his circle comment.

[QUOTE=Myth]Here is your prequel D-Rose: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow :roll: :applause:

Anyone got a stream?

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob[/QUOTE]
This.

Along with the fact that young Joes situation parallels old Joes. He got taken up by that woman in the farm, she took care of him and helped him get over his drug withdrawal and they connected in a way that may have been deep. We just didnt see the full extent of the relationship.

[QUOTE=YGS]This.

Along with the fact that young Joes situation parallels old Joes. He got taken up by that woman in the farm, she took care of him and helped him get over his drug withdrawal and they connected in a way that may have been deep. We just didnt see the full extent of the relationship.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?[/QUOTE]


that was one of the most authentic parts of the movie

The end of the movie left the theater I was watching in silent. No one said a word and then the credits just started rolling. Really good movie.

Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand? And, more glaringly, if Old Joe realizes things at the same moment of Young Joe, wouldn't he have realized the impact of killing Sara and not done so?

Loved the film, good to see original content actually being made.

[QUOTE=Randy]Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand? And, more glaringly, if Old Joe realizes things at the same moment of Young Joe, wouldn't he have realized the impact of killing Sara and not done so?

Loved the film, good to see original content actually being made.[/QUOTE]
Old Joe doesn't absorb things till after they have happened, not necessarily in real time. Throughout the film we saw relative delays. Also, he was blinded by bias.. Driven by a future that he was sure young naive Joe could never understand. Emotion and impulsiveness drove much of the momentary motivations.. Each Joe having gotten caught up in his own idea of what was just.

[QUOTE=Randy]Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand?[/QUOTE]

Good thinking. Blow off the hand that old Joe was using for his gun, then run up and shoot old Joe.

[QUOTE=Myth]Good thinking. Blow off the hand that old Joe was using for his gun, then run up and shoot old Joe.[/QUOTE]
No offense but I would assume that someone that basically lived a life building up survival nefarious instincts would have the ability to shoot the gun with his other hand. Im sure he's sustained injuries before where he would have to learn how to become ambidextrous. Although I do confess that after stumbling the first moment and having to recollect and aim with one hand is a tall order to ask of him. Just saying it wouldn't be an impossibility. Also, like the memories.. The body injury could have a delay (unlike death) and the moment would pass before the hand injury would take effect. With death it seems different since it negates an entire timeline having occurred...more of an instantaneous effect.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?[/QUOTE]

Horny Toad.

[QUOTE=ZeN]No offense but I would assume that someone that basically lived a life building up survival nefarious instincts would have the ability to shoot the gun with his other hand. Im sure he's sustained injuries before where he would have to learn how to become ambidextrous. Although I do confess that after stumbling the first moment and having to recollect and aim with one hand is a tall order to ask of him. Just saying it wouldn't be an impossibility. Also, like the memories.. The body injury could have a delay (unlike death) and the moment would pass before the hand injury would take effect. With death it seems different since it negates an entire timeline having occurred...more of an instantaneous effect.[/QUOTE]

I imagined that body injuries show up at the same delay that the whole body disappears. And it isn't that Bruce Willis wouldn't have ability to shoot with his other hand, it is that when JGL blows off his hand, Bruce's hand disappears and the gun is dropped, giving JGL time to take out Bruce (only if he can get past the pain to get to Bruce before he picks up the gun, which is a pretty tall order). Ultimately though, JGL had to make a split second decision, and that doesn't really give you the time to consider the pros and cons of killing himself versus shooting off his hand.

I just realized that as well.. Shooting off the hand would essentially place both in an equal predicament. Young Joe would have to take extra time shooting it off (because its an awkward task I imagine) plus then how would he instantly be able to shoot old Joe with the injury? He too would have to collect himself and find a way to cope with his new found disability..lol.. Wouldn't just be able to run forward and expire his old self.lol

[QUOTE=Randy]Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but if he did that then all old Joe would have to do is pick up the gun with his other hand. At this point, Young Joe would have to kill himself to stop him anyway because he can't shoot off his other hand when it's the only one he has to handle a gun :D

Btw if you really think about it, how do we know rainmaker was really a bad guy in the original timeline? Yeah he was bad for joe but remember joe was a hit man. Apparently the loopers were the main way people killed people in the future, so if you really think about it the fact that he was closing all the loops doesn't remotely prove that he was a bad guy

I put my review in the Rate the last movie thread,

I really dig time travel logic, and I felt like this did a nice job with it. One of my favorite parts was when they first meet at the diner and Old Joe yells at him about getting into Time Travel logic, it was a nice way to sort of wink at the audience and say just run with me here for a little while. It gave me a chuckle.

[QUOTE=bagelred]Just saw it. Seemed to be leading up to something great, but ended up just good.

SPOILER ALERT.......[I].actually why is anyone reading this thread if haven't seen movie.........hey, it's your own fault.....[/I]

I also thought the ending was weak and that they had another major twist or clever resolution coming. We didn't get that.

[B]So JGL decides to kill himself to save some kid he barely knows who may or may not grow up to be some evil reckoning machine? Huh? Why? I don't know.....fell into typical movie logic......so the kid has a "breakthrough" JUST at that moment.[/B] Convenient. And how does JGL even know killing himself will work?

Good concept........crafted really well.......but that last 1/3 of the movie wasn't thought out that well.......[/QUOTE]
Um what? They made it pretty obvious hes the rainmaker. JGL has an epiphany and sees exactly how he turns into the rainmaker... Did you miss that whole part?

[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]Um what? They made it pretty obvious hes the rainmaker. JGL has an epiphany and sees exactly how he turns into the rainmaker... Did you miss that whole part?[/QUOTE]

Yeah but that was in the 2nd timeline. How did he turn into rainmaker after getting the loop closed? (the first timeline)

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Yeah but that was in the 2nd timeline. How did he turn into rainmaker after getting the loop closed? (the first timeline)[/QUOTE]
Im guessing that the rainmaker will always essentially be the rainmaker.. (Buddhist Belief) but the difference would be the details.. His intentions, motivations and personal designations.

The simplest reason to be sure joe isn't the rainmaker is because joe screwed the rainmakers mom, I don't think they went the incest route. The train scene didn't mean he was the kid, it meant he didn't wanna put the kid through what he went through

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]The simplest reason to be sure joe isn't the rainmaker is because joe screwed the rainmakers mom, I don't think they went the incest route. The train scene didn't mean he was the kid, it meant he didn't wanna put the kid through what he went through[/QUOTE]

The train scene was Cid having to move on because he just saw his mom get shot.. It was part of the whole situation where Cid runs away in a train and starts his jaded journey into becoming the rainmaker. It was a scene that was part of young Joes epiphany. His realization of what would transpire once the MILF was shot down in cold blood.

I know you're not saying they are the same person. Just saying that I dont think its even remotely possible to imagine Joe being Cid. There are dozens of details that would make it impossible.

[QUOTE=Anti Hero]

Something that hasn't been brought up in this thread yet, how about that first looper that ran. The way the used the doctor to hack him apart, that was awesome![/QUOTE]



Would have been cool to have a scene (maybe in the DVD deleted scenes) where we see the doctor torturing and severing body parts in the young guy and then seeing the old one progressively get the wounds.. If done right, it could be a crazy spectacle. I say in the DVD cause such a scene would have been excessive in the film..lol

I found this pretty followable by time travel standards too. They set up a fairly straightforward set of rules, and it was a pretty straightforward story really for what it was.

And I'm with Zen, I don't see any reasonable way you can make a case for Sid being Joe.

[QUOTE=Anti Hero] My gf walked away a little confused, she wasn't sure how JGL knew cid would grow up to be the rainmaker.[/QUOTE]

Dump her. :D


Zen - It looked like it was a surgeon or something, so I think the young version of the friend was unconscious while they removed limbs. They didn't need to torture him, just strike the fear of God in the old version of him to get him to come to them.

Question: Near the end, after the field TK scene, why didn't old Joe automatically went back to his time?

[QUOTE=iamgine]Question: Near the end, after the field TK scene, why didn't old Joe automatically went back to his time?[/QUOTE]

I'm confused as to why you think he would go back to his time. The way this movie was set up was that the existence each individual version of himself is effected by the past version of himself, so if the past version of himself dies, then the future version would no longer exist.

[QUOTE=Myth]I'm confused as to why you think he would go back to his time. The way this movie was set up was that the existence each individual version of himself is effected by the past version of himself, so if the past version of himself dies, then the future version would no longer exist.[/QUOTE]
I mean at the point of time between "After the TK ends" and "Before Young Joe kill himself". There's a period of time where Old Joe was falling down and then getting up and then pointing a gun at the mother. But since at that point Cid wouldn't be Rainmaker (unless Old Joe kills his mother), shouldn't he automatically go back to his time (Then Young Joe wouldn't need to kill himself)?

[QUOTE=Myth]Dump her. :D


Zen - It looked like it was a surgeon or something, so I think the young version of the friend was unconscious while they removed limbs. They didn't need to torture him, just strike the fear of God in the old version of him to get him to come to them.[/QUOTE]

Anti Heros' chick is too good looking to dump for such a trivial reason..lol

Yeah your right, I was a bit too lose in calling it torture..lol.. but im sure it would have been cool to see the progressive maiming and severing of body parts... But id argue.. that all the things being done would be a sort of torture for that older version. Maybe its just me but i think id be tormented by wounds manifesting themselves on my body and my anatomy decomposing before my very eyes..lol

[QUOTE=iamgine]I mean at the point of time between "After the TK ends" and "Before Young Joe kill himself". There's a period of time where Old Joe was falling down and then getting up and then pointing a gun at the mother. But since at that point Cid wouldn't be Rainmaker (unless Old Joe kills his mother), shouldn't he automatically go back to his time (Then Young Joe wouldn't need to kill himself)?[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't Cid be Rainmaker anymore at that point? The thing that stopped him from becoming Rainmaker (assumed) was stopping old Joe from killing the mother, and nothing stopped him yet until young Joe killed himself. Using the TK didn't stop old Joe from killing the mother.