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[QUOTE=Fiasco]Players wouldn't need to flop if the refs made the right calls. It's seriously that simple.[/QUOTE]
The players took it too far, they make it look like they're dodging bullets out there.
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This will change the game drastically imo, players will think harder about standing in front of a driving player's lane and offensive systems will have more reign to do what they like, should be fun!
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ESPN pampering their goldenboy Blake Griffin as usual. They want to shove his dunks down everyones throats so they they intentionally left him out of the flop poll hoping people won't notice. His greatest asset of all isn't dunks tho - it's his league-leading arrogance, fake mean-mugging, and most of all, his [I]dangerous[/I] flops.
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look at him getting under Pau's feet right here :facepalm guy should be suspended for that sh*t.[/QUOTE]
You're reaching, man. I consider the guys in the poll worse/more frequent floppers than Blake Griffin. (Though he does flop a hell of a lot.) Can't include two Clippers, either! And CP3 has the Clipper Flop Crown on lock.
Does any of this cover people instigating contact where there should be none? Like Durant's swipe through move. Or Wade barrelling to the defender and throwing a behind his back hook flip shot (obviously no real attempt to score, rather than to get fouled).
They were able to do something about Wade's pumpfake to throw himself to defender that he did a lot in '06. They should be able to do something similar.
I really think the "standing jump" rule should be enforced more. I like it back in the 90's where people went up to challenge the shot, not slide underneath and hope for stoppage of play. It ruins the flow in games. For cryin out loud, the offensive player is the one coming towards the defenders place, the defender just jumped.
[QUOTE=Droid101]Um. No.
Some players try to create a foul from nothing. That's not "helping the ref make the right call." That's gaming the system.
The flops where you fall harder than you would with the contact given aren't as bad as the ones where you fall and weren't touched at all. I think you, of all people, should know the difference.
Also, awesome poll on ESPN right now:
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:roll: The complete someone else section people voted for griffin :roll:
ESPN has to protect the highlight reel
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]In no way do I deny the Lakers have had some LEGENDARY floppers. Divac and Fish immediately come to mind. But so is Kobe, but not in the same way. Kobe is a verbal, fling his hands in the air and yell AEYYY, flopper. Chris Paul is a throw his head back, let out a faint sigh, backflip helicopter kick flail to the ground holding his balls and knee while looking at the ref, flopper. Not even in the same ballpark.
So no, I wont ignore the Lakers flopper.[/QUOTE]
So basically you're saying he's more dramatic? I admit that with both Griffin+CP3 but to me a flop is a flop. Ones that are more dramatic don't mean anything to me, if anything they are more entertaining.
The only reason why flopping has become an issue is because of how soft the league has gotten. It's a lot more visible now than it was in the 80's and 90's.
Dennis Rodman, one of the toughest guys to ever played the game, was actually quite a flopper himself. You just didn't notice it as much because of how physical the game was in the 80's and 90's.
I don't think fining and penalizing will stop flopping, it'll just make the league even more "pussified." Make the league more physical again, be more of a contact sport like it once was then players won't be flopping like bitches as much. They'll think twice when they do.
[quote=Sarcastic]6 flops = suspension.
The Clippers and Heat will lots of suspensions this year.[/quote]
No they wont, players adjust.
There's a fine line between flopping and drawing a legit charge. You have to sell it to an extent.
[QUOTE=strifed169]This will change the game drastically imo, players will think harder about standing in front of a driving player's lane a[/QUOTE]
I cant tell how much I hate that call. An offensive player has a lane to the basket, and a defensive player can simply jump in front of his path out of nowhere at the last minute, and somehow its the offensive players' fault for "fouling" the defensive player.
I believe this is just going to be another way for the league to open up the pockets out its players.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]So basically you're saying he's more dramatic? I admit that with both Griffin+CP3 but to me a flop is a flop. Ones that are more dramatic don't mean anything to me, if anything they are more entertaining.[/QUOTE]
If you're CP3 or Griffin, would you not agree a less dramatic flop would result in less thrown elbows and intentonal hard fouls against them? In particular, Mr Griffin? Making less of a flopping spectacle towards fellow players would lower their resentment, in exchange, lower the rage filled hard fouls? I agree a flop is a flop, but some types of flops get people elbowed in the head more than others.
So how do you know what really is a flop and what isn't? Sometimes, something that doesn't look to bad on camera is actually really bad for the one receiving the foul. Its a stupid rule. Just let the ref decide, and if the player gets away with it, then good on him.
[QUOTE=Nash]So how do you know what really is a flop and what isn't? Sometimes, something that doesn't look to bad on camera is actually really bad for the one receiving the foul. Its a stupid rule. Just let the ref decide, and if the player gets away with it, then good on him.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding, play during the game will continue as normal. People may flop and get away with it or not. No flopping fines will be given out during the game. There will be a new team of personel whose sole job is to watch the game all over on tv afterwords and look for floppers. Fines will be given out the next day, probably.
[QUOTE=Nash]So how do you know what really is a flop and what isn't? Sometimes, something that doesn't look to bad on camera is actually really bad for the one receiving the foul. Its a stupid rule. [B]Just let the ref decide, and if the player gets away with it, then good on him.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes because that's worked out so well for the league :facepalm
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Yes because that's worked out so well for the league :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:lol Nash is a bit unclear on why this rule is needed
Why did the hell did the Blake Griffin comment on flopping thread get deleted?!
Now the main issue is HOW a referee perceives a flop. Let the controversy ensue.
Wade has been so dependent on flopping since he got away with all that in '06. Let's see how he adjusts his game to the new rules Will be hilarious to watch though:lol
[QUOTE=LakersReign]Wade has been so dependent on flopping since he got away with all that in '06. Let's see how he adjusts his game to the new rules Will be hilarious to watch though:lol[/QUOTE]
fukk that, wade is awesome...........what about griffin.........his game is based on the art of flopping.........dude will be working at Mcdonalds soon
[QUOTE=AK47DR91]The only reason why flopping has become an issue is because of how soft the league has gotten. It's a lot more visible now than it was in the 80's and 90's.
Dennis Rodman, one of the toughest guys to ever played the game, was actually quite a flopper himself. You just didn't notice it as much because of how physical the game was in the 80's and 90's.
I don't think fining and penalizing will stop flopping, it'll just make the league even more "pussified." Make the league more physical again, be more of a contact sport like it once was then players won't be flopping like bitches as much. They'll think twice when they do.[/QUOTE]
One thing about Rodman's flopping was this: He wasn't necessarily doing it for the call. He mostly wanted to get into the guy's head and under his skin. So many guys that he defended would eventually explode in rage and get T'd up after Rodman would do his thing.
From what I understand, they will review the video after the game. That way floppers will know for sure they will be penalized eventually. I think it's the best way to deal with this problem.
It's really become a problem and the league had to address it. Now the question is if they can make the penalty enough for the players not to risk it.
I'm glad ,it's ridiculous at times. The exaggeration i don't mind so much as the non contact falling that's starting now. Refs were going to toss Chandler in a playoff game because Lebron was rolling around.
So if it's gonna be implemented as a post-game rule then I believe the officials will get it right most of the time while turning a blind eye to 50-50 situations if a star is involved.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IK3bvlyzpg"]Red Auerbach was anti-flopping decades ago[/URL]
[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]:roll: So now under a player's summary we'll see: Points, rebounds, assists, turnovers... technicals and..... FLOPS?! :roll:[/QUOTE]
:lol New league leader to keep track of.
used to play in the court where few fouls were respected. if you called it, you were pusssy. everyone was embarrassed to call any touchy touchy fouls. you just don't do it if you got any pride... unless it was game point, then you argue all day over any bullshit. :oldlol:
anyway, now seeing these pros act like fairy bitches on the slightest air fart in the way, it's just disgusting to watch. the fk can a tiny midget point guard knock your 6'10" power forward vag!na ass over and you're crying on the ground and sh!t for ten minutes...
no more flopping, that's good. now bring back more physical play.
[QUOTE=godfather2007]From what I understand, they will review the video after the game. That way floppers will know for sure they will be penalized eventually. I think it's the best way to deal with this problem.[/QUOTE]
Just think how busy these people will be that review the games. A typical game has soooooo many flops.
[QUOTE=tontoz]Just think how busy these people will be that review the games. A typical game has soooooo many flops.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine the Clippers vs. the Thunder :eek:? I think someone's quiting their job after that one lol.
Are they going to let defenders actually make a play on the ball without calling a foul every time?
That's why players are flopping more now than ever. They aren't allowed to contest shots without getting called for a foul, so the alternative is to just move in front of the player, fall down, and hope you get a call.
If the refs would call the rules correctly i.e. a defender is allowed his space vertically all the way to the ceiling, then perhaps players trying to flop all over wouldn't be such an issue. The truth is, refs are scared. They are scared not to make a call, because of the increased scrutiny on the game. So next time you complain about a flop, think about the non-foul call you just complained about.