Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.
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Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.
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[QUOTE=SpecialQue]Everything I post on InsideHoops is to make myself sound cool.[/QUOTE]
Why did I laugh at this post. Probably because it's so cool.
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[QUOTE=wang4three]Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.[/QUOTE]
:biggums: :roll:
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]:biggums: . I was one of the biggest defenders of the Nets on this forum this offseason so obviously I like and respect what they have put together. That being said they are not on the tier of the Clippers who have a legit chance to emerge as an unquestioned title contender and perennial contender this year.[/QUOTE]
unquestionednt title contender? isnt that what you said last year?
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]:biggums: :roll:[/QUOTE]
You don't even know who's on the Nets' team.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Exactly what I'm saying. Nets have great potential and should be a good team that grabs a mid seed but if they played in the west they would be the 7th best team maybe. They need a year or two to build chemistry and hopefully [B]Robin Lopez[/B] will start rebounding better.[/QUOTE]
Aside from the fact that you're the most blatant Clippers fanboy on the site, you've lost your credibility the moment you posted.
Clippers clearly.
[QUOTE=wang4three]You don't even know who's on the Nets' team.
Aside from the fact that you're the most blatant Clippers fanboy on the site, you've lost your credibility the moment you posted.[/QUOTE]
Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.
[QUOTE=Bandito]unquestionednt title contender? isnt that what you said last year?[/QUOTE]
I said have a CHANCE TO EMERGE as one, not that they are right now. No I never said they were last year. I said 2nd round exit and that's exactly what happened :confusedshrug: .
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I just read Avery Johnson say that one of Joe Johnson/Deron Williams has to be on the floor at all times, as he doesn't think they can afford to go without one of the two at all times...he said they don't plan on running a true 2nd unit this year...
:roll:[/QUOTE]
I must be missing the funny in this post. A staggered pattern of substitution is not a new concept.
Clippers, though don't be surprised to see the Nets have a comparable regular season record since the West is so deep.
However, both are 2nd round teams at best so it doesn't really matter.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.[/QUOTE]
I typo would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]I typo would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.[/QUOTE]
Uh.... what? I'm very familiar with pretty much every roster in the league and know that Robin is on the Hornets, was on Suns last year. Also know that Lopez has been a career Net. It's obvious trolling to question credibility over that.
Nets would not even make the playoffs in the West (may not make the playoffs in the East actually). Lopez is the worst contract in the league, and he's on a starting lineup with two others who can challenge him for that (JJ, Gerald Wallace).
Nets fans are in for a rude awakening this year.
[QUOTE=qrich]Blake against Jersey last year: 25.5 Points | 15.5 Rebounds | 2.5 Assists on 18/30 shooting (60%) in 39 minutes. And he should continue that this year. Who's going to stop him, Brook? Reggie?[/QUOTE]
He can't stop Hump apparently.
14.5/12.5 on 58% and Kris is 4-3 vs. Griffin on NJ.
[QUOTE=Mr Know It All]Nets would not even make the playoffs in the West (may not make the playoffs in the East actually). Lopez is the worst contract in the league, and he's on a starting lineup with two others who can challenge him for that (JJ, Gerald Wallace).
Nets fans are in for a rude awakening this year.[/QUOTE]
They have nice potential but I agree THIS year they are in for a rude awakening with expectations like this. I also agree that in the west Nets would be a 7-8 seed at best this first year. Clippers got the 5 seed, 1 back from the 3 seed last year in their first year together, in the west. As I said this question is a joke. Similar to the Grizzlies to Cavs comparison that wasn't as big of a hit.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley][B]I typo [/B]would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.[/QUOTE]
The irony...
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Uh.... what? I'm very familiar with pretty much every roster in the league and know that Robin is on the Hornets, was on Suns last year. Also know that Lopez has been a career Net. It's obvious trolling to question credibility over that.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you don't know what a typo is then.
[QUOTE=niko]The irony...[/QUOTE]
Or an example.
:D
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]He can't stop Hump apparently.
14.5/12.5 on 58% and Kris is 4-3 vs. Griffin on NJ.[/QUOTE]
2011-2012 Nets record: 22-44.
2011-2012 Clippers record: 40-26.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Or an example.
:D[/QUOTE]
I typo you made a typo? :confusedshrug: Don't get it but WHATEVER!
I kind of like the Nets fans are mixing it up with everyone. :rant Brooklyn Anger. Very retro...
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]They have nice potential but I agree THIS year they are in for a rude awakening with expectations like this. I also agree that in the west Nets would be a 7-8 seed at best this first year. Clippers got the 5 seed, 1 back from the 3 seed last year in their first year together, in the west. As I said this question is a joke. Similar to the Grizzlies to Cavs comparison that wasn't as big of a hit.[/QUOTE]
Who has what expectations exactly?
I wasn't aware a casual fan or two in ISH spoke for all fans and their expectations.
Me... 45-50 wins, 1st or 2nd round exit.
Yours for LA are what?
[QUOTE=niko]I typo you made a typo? :confusedshrug: Don't get it but WHATEVER!
I kind of like the Nets fans are mixing it up with everyone. :rant Brooklyn Anger. Very retro...[/QUOTE]
It was a joke Niko... geeshh.. did you lose your sense of humor since I was here last? You gotta leave these parts.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]2011-2012 Nets record: 22-44.
2011-2012 Clippers record: 40-26.[/QUOTE]
thanks, most people can read standings.. not everyone looks up head to head.
I was replying to those that wondered how BK could stop Griffin, but it seems Griffin should worry about stopping Hump and the Nets who have a winning record against him.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Who has what expectations exactly?
I wasn't aware a casual fan or two in ISH spoke for all fans and their expectations.
Me... 45-50 wins, 1st or 2nd round exit.
Yours for LA are what?[/QUOTE]
2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]It was a joke Niko... geeshh.. did you lose your sense of humor since I was here last? You gotta leave these parts.[/QUOTE]
:D Be funny. I laugh. Not Be Funny. I no laugh. :mad:
IM BROOKLYN DAMNIT! IM ALL ABOUT THE VIOLENCE AND THE TOUGHNESS OF NY! I WEAR BLACK AND WHITE ONLY...COLORS ARE FOR WOMEN!
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]thanks, most people can read standings.. not everyone looks up head to head.
I was replying to those that wondered how BK could stop Griffin, but it seems Griffin should worry about stopping Hump and the Nets who have a winning record against him.[/QUOTE]
My point was.... H2H by either players or teams doesn't mean dick in opposite conferences. Not sure what QRich was saying but this thread is obviously an insult to the Clippers. When the Clippers won 19 games I wouldn't have made a thread about them vs the Lakers just because they added a nice player (who isn't an all star anymore). Basically they retained their players and traded for JJ who's been declining and all the sudden expect 20-30 win turnaround? Nets will be very nice for the next 5+ years but I know first hand that it takes time to really build something. Can't expect immediate turnaround from adding a player like Johnson. Add a Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul (win percentage wise he's up there) who have 3 of the best team turnarounds in NBA history who impact the game on every level sure.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.[/QUOTE]
This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]My point was.... H2H by either players or teams doesn't mean dick in opposite conferences. Not sure what QRich was saying but this thread is obviously an insult to the Clippers. When the Clippers won 19 games I wouldn't have made a thread about them vs the Lakers just because they added a nice player (who isn't an all star anymore). Basically they retained their players and traded for JJ who's been declining and all the sudden expect 20-30 win turnaround?[/QUOTE]
They bear almost no resemblance to last year's team.
The only players that played over 40 games....
D.Will / Gaines
Morrow / Brooks
Stevenson
Humphries / Jordan W.
Sehelden W. / Petro
Lopez - 5 games
G.Wallace - 16 games
Compared to this year
D.Will / Watson / Taylor
JJ / Brooks / Bogans
G.Wallace / Childress / Shengelia
Humphries / Teletovic / Evans
Lopez / Blatche
See the differences?
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?[/QUOTE]
41 over under. You say over, he says under, 41 is the push. I am the witness. Both cut your hands and drip the blood on your pc to make it official. One month avi bet.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]They bear almost no resemblance to last year's team.
The only players that played over 40 games....
D.Will / Gaines
Morrow / Brooks
Stevenson
Humphries / Jordan W.
Sehelden W. / Petro
Lopez - 5 games
G.Wallace - 16 games
Compared to this year
D.Will / Watson / Taylor
JJ / Brooks / Bogans
G.Wallace / Childress / Shengelia
Humphries / Teletovic / Evans
Lopez / Blatche
See the differences?[/QUOTE]
You do know Lopez coming back is a positive but the fact he played 5 games with stress related injuries is a huge negative. It's not like someone ran into him and he had a freakish injury. His foot snapped from his own weight.
[QUOTE=niko]41 over under. You say over, he says under, 41 is the push. I am the witness. Both cut your hands and drip the blood on your pc to make it official. One month avi bet.[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah!!!
Count me in!
You down Clippersfan86?
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say 40 max, I said 40 is a more realistic goal, I'd say 42 max. Your starting 5 by the end of last season if healthy and not tanking would have had 4 of the same starters bro. Lopez had the foot injuries or w/e but was still your center. Wallace was acquired in a trade before trade deadline. Deron was your starting PG. Humphries was your starting PF. Marshon Brooks was your best bench player along with Gerald Green. What's changed drastically? Green is with the Pacers, Johnson was brought in but the core of your team is still identical pretty much.
[QUOTE=niko]You do know Lopez coming back is a positive but the fact he played 5 games with stress related injuries is a huge negative. It's not like someone ran into him and he had a freakish injury. His foot snapped from his own weight.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.. I know... it's the only concern I really have right now about the team reaching 50 games and the 2nd round. I still think they could win 41 games without him. Are you trying to steer me away from the bet?
I'll do month long avy bet for 42 being their max win total. So if they hit 43+ you win.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I didn't say 40 max, I said 40 is a more realistic goal, I'd say 42 max. Your starting 5 by the end of last season if healthy and not tanking would have had 4 of the same starters bro. Lopez had the foot injuries or w/e but was still your center. Wallace was acquired in a trade before trade deadline. Deron was your starting PG. Humphries was your starting PF. Marshon Brooks was your best bench player along with Gerald Green. What's changed drastically? Green is with the Pacers, Johnson was brought in but the core of your team is still identical pretty much.[/QUOTE]
Ok ok, you're right we suck
41 win avi bet?
Over I win, under you win.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Yeah.. I know... it's the only concern I really have right now about the team reaching 50 games and the 2nd round. I still think they could win 41 games without him. Are you trying to steer me away from the bet?[/QUOTE]
Haha, no....its was aimed at you but not really aimed at you, i hear from the Net fans on this board a lot that LOPEZ IS BACK! like it's a given. He might very well be fine all year but i think people ignore that he really might not.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]I'll do month long avy bet for 42 being their max win total. So if they hit 43+ you win.[/QUOTE]
Why not 40?
You said that was a realistic goal I thought?
They are both solid teams with underrated pieces, what tilts the scale to the Clippers side for me is having an additional superstar to complement CP3 + all that experience from last year. A niece combination of young upcoming players and veterans. Don't like Deandre Jordan at all though, should've let GSW deal with that situation.
The Nets have many questions. For a large part of last year Deron Williams was playing like straight up garbage. Add in the fact that Brook Lopez is coming from injuries. The may need a year to get acclamaited to each other to become a possible contender, which the Clippers arguably are.