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This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.
[QUOTE=nightprowler10]This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.[/QUOTE]
question to you and other bulls fans: isn't it starting to look like reinsdorf is just saving money while spending as little as possible to be competitive? it's just getting hard to ignore the pattern here.
you guys were contenders with rose and still would have been down the line when he's healthy. now you can't really say that. idk, i'd just be really upset to be that close and have it seem like the owner didn't want to take the next step.
Rein$dorf
[QUOTE=nightprowler10]This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.[/QUOTE]
I think it makes more sense. Boozer was better alongside Asik than he is alongside Noah. Noah moves around a lot and Boozer is too stupid and lazy to do anything. Asik is a more traditional center and takes up the middle.
never liked booze cruz, glad hes out of the atmosphere.
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Welcome to Dallas 2013 version of Elton Brand. :lol[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=blacknapalm]question to you and other bulls fans: isn't it starting to look like reinsdorf is just saving money while spending as little as possible to be competitive? it's just getting hard to ignore the pattern here.
you guys were contenders with rose and still would have been down the line when he's healthy. now you can't really say that. idk, i'd just be really upset to be that close and have it seem like the owner didn't want to take the next step.[/QUOTE]
If you don't have your Bulls blinders on, it's quite obvious this is the case. Reinsdorf isn't even the main shareholder. There's a bunch of cheap ass share holders behind the scenes that are obviously telling him to go the cheap route, in order to maximize THEIR profits.
[QUOTE=PJR]Rein$dorf[/QUOTE]
Yea :(
And as others have said, it's embarrassing in the league with super teams we had a coach that maximized Rose and a bunch of role players abilities to go to the ECF, and the front office handicaps him even more by refusing to spend money to bring in other players that can fill needs and gaps.
As others have said, they have cut their depth. They let go of Tyson Chandler for free, essentially a superior version of Joakim Noah, and then give Noah a stupid contract as well. Even worse considering Noah is good for missing 10 - 20 games every single season.
Reinsdorf has always been a cheap skate, jew. Even when the Bulls were dominating the league with MJ and Scottie, and making the city of Chicago, the Bulls, and the NBA in general TONS of money ... he always refused and balked at paying players their worth.
Pretty sure the minority owners and even the majority owners are content with the Bulls revival post 2009 w/ the excitement of Derrick Rose, and will continue to let him sell out seats and sell out merchandise just to make a buck as opposed to contend for championships.
And people wondered during the 2000's why I had such a hard time rooting for them. A ton of unlikable players (Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Ty Thomas) and the unwillingness to bring in actual talent, a dumb front office who consistently make bad moves (giving away JR Smith for free). Only silver linings are the D Rose, Kirk Hinrich, and Taj Gibsons in that time frame.
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[QUOTE=StateOfMind12][IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Ml_HqDxWX4/T2t_Epa31aI/AAAAAAAAA28/Z8yCp7KAzHc/s180/black-wrestler-gif-smiling.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll: lmao. I don't care. This gif never ever gets old.
boozer on the laker bench for vet minimum
[QUOTE=Money 23]Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.
:mad:[/QUOTE]
we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.
i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.
i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.
boozer has really fallen off. was a beast in utah. definitely will get picked up soon if this happens though.
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.
i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.
i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.[/QUOTE]
We?!!!! So you're a Bulls fan again?
To answer your question, they traded him for Howard Eisley. They felt he (Smith) would've been a bad influence on a young team
[QUOTE=Money 23]Yea :(
And as others have said, it's embarrassing in the league with super teams we had a coach that maximized Rose and a bunch of role players abilities to go to the ECF, and the front office handicaps him even more by refusing to spend money to bring in other players that can fill needs and gaps.
As others have said, they have cut their depth. They let go of Tyson Chandler for free, essentially a superior version of Joakim Noah, and then give Noah a stupid contract as well. Even worse considering Noah is good for missing 10 - 20 games every single season.
Reinsdorf has always been a cheap skate, jew. Even when the Bulls were dominating the league with MJ and Scottie, and making the city of Chicago, the Bulls, and the NBA in general TONS of money ... he always refused and balked at paying players their worth.
Pretty sure the minority owners and even the majority owners are content with the Bulls revival post 2009 w/ the excitement of Derrick Rose, and will continue to let him sell out seats and sell out merchandise just to make a buck as opposed to contend for championships.
And people wondered during the 2000's why I had such a hard time rooting for them. A ton of unlikable players (Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Ty Thomas) and the unwillingness to bring in actual talent, a dumb front office who consistently make bad moves (giving away JR Smith for free). Only silver linings are the D Rose, Kirk Hinrich, and Taj Gibsons in that time frame.[/QUOTE]
I wish you frequented a particular Bulls website I go to. They got all bent out of shape when I basically stated the same thing.
All I know is if Kevin Love request a trade or publicly boasts that he won't resign with Twolves and the Bulls don't get him to play alongside Rose. I'm done as a Bulls fan
[QUOTE=97 bulls]We?!!!! So you're a Bulls fan again?
To answer your question, they traded him for Howard Eisley. They felt he (Smith) would've been a bad influence on a young team[/QUOTE]
Smith was young himself back then...like 20 years old:confusedshrug:
dont know about him being some "bad influence" but i see what you're saying
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.
i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.
i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.[/QUOTE]
I swear this guy was a lebron fan..
I always thought that Gibson was over rated. I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]I always thought that Gibson was over rated. I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.[/QUOTE]
Offensively yes. Defensively, he's elite at the of position. Its more so how much he's paid, and how garbage boozer is. Once taj gets a big pay day, bulls fans will start complaining about taj. Its just like with asik. Since he wasnt on a big contract, bulls fans let his horrible offense slide. If we matched that horrible offer from Houston, you better believe asik would get picked apart game by game, for his offensive woes.
Bulls taking a play out of the 1997 Spurs playbook.
It'll be ineresting to see where Boozer ends up.
[QUOTE=tikay0]Offensively yes. Defensively, he's elite at the of position. Its more so how much he's paid, and how garbage boozer is. Once taj gets a big pay day, bulls fans will start complaining about taj. Its just like with asik. Since he wasnt on a big contract, bulls fans let his horrible offense slide. If we matched that horrible offer from Houston, you better believe asik would get picked apart game by game, for his offensive woes.[/QUOTE]
Gibson is a good bench player. He doesn't deserve a big pay day. Maybe a raise, but nothing extreme. I think he's over rated on defense too. Like I said I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.
boozer on the bobcats or cavs
[QUOTE=Segatti]They should had done this before, and resigned Asik. Noah + Asik + Gibson = best defensive and rebounding frontcourt on the league.[/QUOTE]
Asik was overpaid by Houston. If it was reasonable though I would have loved to amnesty Boozer and re-sign Asik. I'm gonna miss the Turkish Hammer.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Bulls taking a play out of the 1997 Spurs playbook.[/QUOTE]
How? Is there going to be a PF as good as Tim Duncan available in the draft next season?
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Gibson is a good bench player. He doesn't deserve a big pay day. Maybe a raise, but nothing extreme. I think he's over rated on defense too. Like I said I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say over rated, but I understand where your coming from. He got lit up by Bosh in the 2011 ECF. Yes, I also think he is over rated, but I'm a BUlls homer, so if I said that on some of those Bulls message boards, I'd get crucified.
Realistically, he's a 6-7 mil a year type player. Market value, about 8-11 million. Teams WILL over pay for him, so it's best the Bulls get this done before the season starts. Otherwise, we'll have another Asik situation on our hands. If you don't resign him before the season starts. You MUST trade him before the dead line, before another team scoops him up, and we're left with nothing, AGAIN!
Why do Bulls fans cry about Asik? What makes people think that he wanted to stay a backup the rest of his life? He's clearly capable of being an elite anchor in the league. Guys like that are worth the money he's getting paid.
Common sense pays, rein$dorf.
Wait, players can still be amnestied?
I thought the deadline passed for some reason.
[QUOTE=scm5]Wait, players can still be amnestied?
I thought the deadline passed for some reason.[/QUOTE]
next summer.
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Why do Bulls fans cry about Asik? What makes people think that he wanted to stay a backup the rest of his life? He's clearly capable of being an elite anchor in the league. Guys like that are worth the money he's getting paid.[/QUOTE]
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Elite anchor?
Put the pipe down man.
People are starting to act like Asik is better than Noah or something....
Yeah he's overpaid and underperforming, but the Bulls are gonna be such a sorry-ass scoring team without Rose or Boozer. What's their plan?
[QUOTE=Go Getter]People are starting to act like Asik is better than Noah or something....[/QUOTE]
Noah isn't anything special, either. He got overpaid, too. Meanwhile we gave a superior version of him away for free.99 (Tyson Chandler)
[QUOTE=Go Getter]:roll:
Elite anchor?
Put the pipe down man.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you wanna be dumb, you go and be. Asik is probably a top 5 defensive center. If you can't see that, then you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Money 23]Noah isn't anything special, either. He got overpaid, too. Meanwhile we gave a superior version of him away for free.99 (Tyson Chandler)[/QUOTE]
Chandler is not better than Noah, at anything. Ehh, he's a pure center and more of an anchor, so I guess he's better there.
Noah is the better defender, I feel. Better shot-blocker, very good passer, more all-around, can play PF (might even be one), equal rebounder, better offensive player with ease and very serviceable in that regard.
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]
Chandler is not better than Noah, at anything.[/QUOTE]
He's clearly a superior athlete. Better pick and roll player, better interior defender / shot blocker. Same level in terms of rebounding. Yes, Chandler is better. Chandler is the main reason why the Mavericks went from stiff playoff competition to NBA champion.
[QUOTE=Money 23]He's clearly a superior athlete. Better pick and roll player, better interior defender / shot blocker. Same level in terms of rebounding. Yes, Chandler is better. Chandler is the main reason why the Mavericks went from stiff playoff competition to NBA champion.[/QUOTE]
I'll give him interior defender, but he's not a better shot-blocker. Chandler has never been a particularly good shot-blocker. Noah is better.
But you're right, he is the better athlete. As far as the pick n' roll, I wouldn't agree. I'm not saying Noah is better, but I don't necessarily think Chandler is either.
Noah is also 3 years younger. And I do think he's the better player. On defense, he reminds me a little of KG and a lot of Davis. I think he's better suited to being given full roaming license on the defensive end. I like him as more of a PF/C combo than as an actual C...main reason why, if I'm the Bulls, I do everything to trade for Al Horford.
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Well, if you wanna be dumb, you go and be. Asik is probably a top 5 defensive center. If you can't see that, then you're an idiot.
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I dont know about Go Getter but i have access to watch all of his games for free without having to see them through some shitty quality channel on the internet.
He has potential but he has A LOT to learn... like catching passes..
i wish him the best but i'm just letting you know unless McHale do some kind of miracle, Asik isn't going to reach your expectations anytime soon
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]I dont know about Go Getter but i have access to watch all of his games for free without having to see them through some shitty quality channel on the internet.
He has potential but he has A LOT to learn... like catching passes...[/QUOTE]
Of course, but that was what I said in my original post. He could end up being even the 2nd best defensive C in the league. Certainly should end up top 5. And if he can simply catch a pass (which I think should he is already improving) then he should be fine.
Regardless, the level of defense he played for the Bulls, spread out over 30min (which is not easy, I understand) is certainly worth his contract.