Fire Mike Brown!!!!!!

[QUOTE=DKLaker]
Do you actually think it is hard to add a PG and Center to an offense :banghead: NO!!! Having a quality experienced center and PG make things a hell of a lot easier, the PG runs the offense and creates, the C is going to be close to the basket and not all over the place.....those are actually the easiest positions to coach. No excuses, Dallas had way more new players and was missing their 2 biggest guys in Dirk and Kaman....no excuse at all for losing. Carlisle is a good coach but not a great one.......we have the worst coach in the NBA....even worse than VDN.[/QUOTE]

PG is maybe the hardest position to coach in basketball unless if you have a superstar like Nash or CP3 or DWilliams or one of other star PGs (or if you have a LeBron or Kobe or Jordan running the point). The reason why it is so hard is because the PG is the guy running the offense and so if the PG fails the whole system falls apart. As a coach, you have to know the system as well as your PG and evolve the strategies along with your PG. If you are not both on the same page then the system will not function.

I believe that is where the issue lies from Brown/Nash/Kobe/offense perspective. They are not all on the same page. Brown/Nash have never run this offense before so Brown has to learn on the fly what works and what doesn't. That is where it becomes an issue; Brown has little idea of how to make changes/improvements on the fly since he doesn't even know the system well enough. Nash is lost because he doesn't know his role and has no idea what Brown wants him to do. Kobe seems lost because he never played with a PG of Nash's caliber before so he doesn't know how to make it work without Brown pointing him in the right direction.

That makes the system dysfunctional. Brown is [B]not[/B] a good leader and [B]never[/B] was. As a leader, he would have figured it out by now. Not every coach is a good leader though.. I guess because of that, I will give him until end of November. If he is a halfway competent coach, he will figure it out by then. If not, he won't. To be fair, the least you can do is give the guy a month of regular season. Remember where Miami was by December in their first season together?? Pretty terrible.. This is how it is looking so far for us. Spoelstra ain't a leader either but he showed everyone that he was a competent coach. Lets give Brown that reasonable time.

[QUOTE=bladefd]PG is maybe the hardest position to coach in basketball unless if you have a superstar like Nash or CP3 or DWilliams or one of other star PGs (or if you have a LeBron or Kobe or Jordan running the point). The reason why it is so hard is because the PG is the guy running the offense and so if the PG fails the whole system falls apart. As a coach, you have to know the system as well as your PG and evolve the strategies along with your PG. If you are not both on the same page then the system will not function.

I believe that is where the issue lies from Brown/Nash/Kobe/offense perspective. They are not all on the same page. Brown/Nash have never run this offense before so Brown has to learn on the fly what works and what doesn't. That is where it becomes an issue; Brown has little idea of how to make changes/improvements on the fly since he doesn't even know the system well enough. Nash is lost because he doesn't know his role and has no idea what Brown wants him to do. Kobe seems lost because he never played with a PG of Nash's caliber before so he doesn't know how to make it work without Brown pointing him in the right direction.

That makes the system dysfunctional. Brown is [B]not[/B] a good leader and [B]never[/B] was. As a leader, he would have figured it out by now. Not every coach is a good leader though.. I guess because of that, I will give him until end of November. If he is a halfway competent coach, he will figure it out by then. If not, he won't. To be fair, the least you can do is give the guy a month of regular season. Remember where Miami was by December in their first season together?? Pretty terrible.. This is how it is looking so far for us. Spoelstra ain't a leader either but he showed everyone that he was a competent coach. Lets give Brown that reasonable time.[/QUOTE]

Give Brown time???? He's not a first year head coach.......he was a crappy coach in a weak conference with a great superstar........I had already seen all this guy could do before he got here....and if anything he's getting worse :facepalm
In my experience in coaching over 30 years, I never had an issue with my point guards.....and I've coached as many as 8 teams at a time, teaching all of them anywhere from 5 to 12 different offenses.....and I'm talking ages 6 to 21+ ....I am considered a very good teacher.....but I can tell you I have never had Steve Nash to work with......the problem here has absolutely nothing to do with the player and everything to do with an incompetent head coach who doesn't give clear direction because he doesn't know what he's doing.
Now in thinking about it more at this moment, I can tell you that I run the offenses that best suit the players I have and teach various offenses so we can switch if it is not working at any moment....not stuck to 1 system where you have to force it to fit.....it's also a case of positioning players in the right places and not asking them to do too much. (Of course at practice I teach every player to play every position so they fully understand what everyone is doing......a result of this is that all my guards rebound like Rondo and my bigs can handle the ball.)

[QUOTE=takai]Man, we better get our act together. Not sure who's fault it is, or what our problem is. But we need to fix it. But if we continue to lose like this, Brown is going to get the boot.

I say just let Coach Kobe coach.

[img]http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/coach-kobe-bryant/coach-kobe-9.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Currently coach Kobe is backing Mike Brown...

[QUOTE][B]Kobe Bryant: 'Everybody shut up. Let us work.'[/B]

Meet Kobe Bryant, chief disciplinarian, ready to step forward with the Lakers having lost their first two games of the regular season before facing the Clippers on Friday night. In fact, the Lakers have dropped 12 straight if you include the final two playoff games of last season and the eight preseason losses.

"Now you have Mike Brown telling everybody to be patient," Bryant said Thursday of the Lakers' coach. "Back then, it was Phil Jackson telling everybody to shut up."

Now Bryant can do it … for Brown.

"Because I've won, so I can," Bryant said. "So I'll say it for him: Everybody shut up. Let us work."

This was a clever veteran move to try to defuse a situation that could quickly get out of hand. It was one day after Bryant declared he was not a happy camper in Portland. The last time the Lakers won a game was May 18, which was Game 3 of the playoffs against the Oklahoma City Thunder.

The Lakers have not opened a season 0-3 since 1978-79, the year before Jerry Buss purchased the team.

Not only has there been media criticism about the Lakers, but it has been coming from past and present NBAers, including Lakers legend Magic Johnson.

"I'm always surprised when I lose," Bryant said. "At the same time, it [the panic] is pretty entertaining to me. Nobody wants to win here more than I do. Nobody. Nobody .

"And I'm not panicking over it. Or jumping off a bridge because we're 0-2 or whatever."

He offered an interesting response to the growing cry that Brown's Princeton-based offense be scrapped.

"I just … I don't understand … the city here," Bryant said. "They've seen us win multiple championships here, playing an offense that was tough to learn that was a sequence of options that weren't set plays that took five guys being on the same page of working together," referring to Jackson's triangle offense.

"They know how that stuff works. For them to be so stupid now ...."

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[url]http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-fyi-20121102,0,4440433.story[/url]

I can see it now why Dishnetwork and DirectTV hesitating to agree to contract for $3.89....why should they agree to a deal where that team isn't entertaining its fan? Then TWC gets on Lakers back. Lakers then get on Mike Brown. If he don't win in next 8 games. I think he will be outa here by pressure from many stakeholders cascading down.

You know guys...if you want Mike Brown goes...only thing to do is hope Lakers keep losing...then basketball God will make your wish come true...but who knows maybe an even worse nightmare. So maybe we have to becareful what we wish for. I'll let it play itself out.

Who knew...we were expecting entertaining big lead winning with BIG 4 where we see them do crazy showtimes...instead we see them struggling from preseason games. Mike Brown is being exposed. He didn't win because he is a good coach, but LBJ did most of the work for him. Now that he has all talents, his true skill is surfacing up.

Sure, Kobe is saying all the right things.....it's too late in his career to redeem himself if he goes on a tirade.....plus that would make Dwight hesitant to re-sign. I'm positive that Kobe knows Brown is a moron and can't wait for him to be fired.
No, I am not and will never root for my Lakers to lose.....but I get the sentiment.
Brown is so bad that I'm sure those things will take care of themselves.

Everyone is talking about the offense when its the defense thats suffering. Princeton this, princeton that, nash should, Kobe should, blah blah....all a bunch of garbage.

If lakers play defense in the first few games, we're 3-0. They're putting enough points up on the board. The problem is in transition defense, halfcourt defense, all defense is being humiliated.

And I always disagree with Kobe, but in this case he is correct. Nobody cares more about winning than him. In the past he's had no problem throwing anyone under the bus if he wasnt happy. In this case, he's not throwing anyone under the bus but us because of this mass-hysteria. Seriously everyone, just let them work.

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Does Steve blake give potato head bl0w job every hour... Every day???

Why is this mutha fcuka playing so many mins???

Goudelock had a shot... Got rid of it.... CDR could score .... Got rid of him.... Barnes was let go cause ebanks need mins... But wait fcuking jamison is playing the :??? Why the fcuk would u play jamison at 3??? Instead of ebanks??? & jf ebanks was not good to get mins... Why let go of barnes????

Fcuk u murha fcuka Mike B1tch A$$ brown[/QUOTE]

Brown isnt the one who keeps the players or gets rid of them. All of that belongs to management. And besides, the lakers did the right thing by keeping Sacre. He played his heart out and got signed by the lakers.

Again everyone, be objective when you present, not subjective.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Everyone is talking about the offense when its the defense thats suffering. Princeton this, princeton that, nash should, Kobe should, blah blah....all a bunch of garbage.

If lakers play defense in the first few games, we're 3-0. They're putting enough points up on the board. The problem is in transition defense, halfcourt defense, all defense is being humiliated.

And I always disagree with Kobe, but in this case he is correct. Nobody cares more about winning than him. In the past he's had no problem throwing anyone under the bus if he wasnt happy. In this case, he's not throwing anyone under the bus but us because of this mass-hysteria. Seriously everyone, just let them work.[/QUOTE]

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping
Shameless homering puts me to sleep :oldlol:

It kills me that some people don't understand the difference between points scored and an effective offense you can count on to run effectively.......the points we score is strictly based on talent not an effective offense.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Brown isnt the one who keeps the players or gets rid of them. All of that belongs to management. And besides, the lakers did the right thing by keeping Sacre. He played his heart out and got signed by the lakers.

Again everyone, be objective when you present, not subjective.[/QUOTE]

WTF are you talking about???? Of course the head freaking coach gets rid of players......management has to sign off but it IS the coach's decision, especially when it comes to non stars. Please speak of what you know. :banghead:

Xmas time countdown: On the 3rd days of NBA, Lakers give to me...ZERO and 3. :violin:

[QUOTE=kobesabi]Xmas time countdown: On the 3rd days of NBA, Lakers give to me...ZERO and 3. :violin:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: very creative kobesabi :cheers:

Absolutely, please, just fire this clown already. Hell I'd pray the Lakers go 0-10 just so they can fire him and have a brighter future.

[IMG]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3273/mikebrown.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Eat Like A Bosh]Absolutely, please, just fire this clown already. Hell I'd pray the Lakers go 0-10 just so they can fire him and have a brighter future.

[IMG]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3273/mikebrown.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

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Have your seen "backstage lakers", i just watched some episodes on youtube. MB's son suggests he should let the Lakers run, if they dont do what he tells them. His smiling response: "do you think Kobe would do what i say to him, if i let him run?" :oldlol:

Or have you seen Dwight's look when MB told him to go back in the game in the 4th quater of tonights game being up 20+ points.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]WTF are you talking about???? Of course the head freaking coach gets rid of players......management has to sign off but it IS the coach's decision, especially when it comes to non stars. Please speak of what you know. :banghead:[/QUOTE]

Sure! I'll tell you what I know. Sacre outplayed all the preseason scrubs. So he got signed. Anything else?

[QUOTE=DKLaker]:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping
Shameless homering puts me to sleep :oldlol:

It kills me that some people don't understand the difference between points scored and an effective offense you can count on to run effectively.......the points we score is strictly based on talent not an effective offense.[/QUOTE]

So is Dwight Howard some sort of human magnet that attracts the ball to him in lob form?

What about that Pass from ron-ron to a cutting Kobe yesterday? Did that have absolutely nothing to do with princeton? Because to me, that was all princeton. And don't tell me ron-ron is a talented passer lol.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Sure! I'll tell you what I know. Sacre outplayed all the preseason scrubs. So he got signed. Anything else?[/QUOTE]

That is fine.....just don't come out with the Coaches don't keep or release players.....that is just :facepalm :facepalm :banghead: Naive....to put it in a very kind way.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]So is Dwight Howard some sort of human magnet that attracts the ball to him in lob form?

What about that Pass from ron-ron to a cutting Kobe yesterday? Did that have absolutely nothing to do with princeton? Because to me, that was all princeton. And don't tell me ron-ron is a talented passer lol.[/QUOTE]

Oh....are we so excited about 1 game? Should we use that 1 game to induct Mike Brown into the Hall Of Fame??? :facepalm

So....because we make a few good plays then the offense is great?
I have rarely ever seen an offense in which a team doesn't score a couple good looking baskets during a game....so what?
Can you count on it when you need it? That's what a great offense is all about.....reliable, dependable, fluid, functional and successful.

Bad offenses usually work best against very bad teams :oldlol:

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Everyone is talking about the offense when its the defense thats suffering. Princeton this, princeton that, nash should, Kobe should, blah blah....all a bunch of garbage.

If lakers play defense in the first few games, we're 3-0. They're putting enough points up on the board. The problem is in transition defense, halfcourt defense, all defense is being humiliated.

And I always disagree with Kobe, but in this case he is correct. Nobody cares more about winning than him. In the past he's had no problem throwing anyone under the bus if he wasnt happy. In this case, he's not throwing anyone under the bus but us because of this mass-hysteria. Seriously everyone, just let them work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=d.bball.guy][img]http://t.qkme.me/360ioc.jpg[/img]
I hate how this is always relevant.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Oh....are we so excited about 1 game? Should we use that 1 game to induct Mike Brown into the Hall Of Fame??? :facepalm

So....because we make a few good plays then the offense is great?
I have rarely ever seen an offense in which a team doesn't score a couple good looking baskets during a game....so what?
Can you count on it when you need it? That's what a great offense is all about.....reliable, dependable, fluid, functional and successful.

Bad offenses usually work best against very bad teams :oldlol:[/QUOTE]



Ahem...........Lakerfreak where are you???? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
We followed up the win by losing to 1-3 Utah........I rest my case!!!

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Ahem...........Lakerfreak where are you???? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
We followed up the win by losing to 1-3 Utah........I rest my case!!![/QUOTE]

hahaha i wasn't ditching out. I just didnt have my computer. Read what I said in the "Jim Buss Speaks" thread.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]hahaha i wasn't ditching out. I just didnt have my computer. Read what I said in the "Jim Buss Speaks" thread.[/QUOTE]

OK......lol. I read it and commented.......with less optimism than you :oldlol:

So.......do you see why I wasn't so excited about beating Detroit now?

[QUOTE=DKLaker]OK......lol. I read it and commented.......with less optimism than you :oldlol:

So.......do you see why I wasn't so excited about beating Detroit now?[/QUOTE]

I already knew your point. My point was, if that effort was carried out against other teams, theyd be wins. However watching the Jazz game was an indicator that Mike Brown lost this team. He can beg, and pay them on top of their initially large salaries, and they still won't be motivated.

[U]At this point a coaching change is necessary.[/U] Some idiots on the radio said make a trade, but thats just stupid. We got everything we need to win.

I'll list what I didn't like between training camp and now;

[B]Princeton offense - [/B]To use this offense, there needs to be both of these scenarios. a) When your team does not have a pass first point guard, and b) when your center is an unselfish player with a high IQ (i.e. pau, divac).

This offense is overkill for the team that is put out there on the court. You take a fresh oven made pizza, and you heat it in the microwave right after it was made....same thing. Didn't need it, and it actually burned the pizza. It completely rendered Nash useless.

The thing that irks me more about the princeton is the double standard involved. Apparently Mike Brown was initially hired over Rick Adelman because they didn't want Adelman and his princeton offense because its "too similar to the triangle offense". It was something they wanted completely done away with. Suddenly Mike Brown says we should run it, and the FO is okay with it?

Last point to make about this is, last season's "system" Mike Brown ran was actually much better than what they're trying to do this year. All we needed was Nash, Dwight, and players like Nash to be given full control of decision making on the court. Since Mike Brown is still a relatively new coach, his lesson learned from this stint with the lakers (as I expect it to end soon now) is that change must happen if only necessary. Case in point when Avery Johnson made a change in the starting lineup against the warriors in the playoffs. It was a change that was not only unnecessary, but also harmful as the team went on to lose 4-2 to the warriors.

He tried to overachieve and underachieved big time. While I like the guy and hoped he'd turn it around, there can only be so much mediocrity before anyone starts to catch on. And mediocrity hadn't had much to do with the record (1-4) as much as it did with the fact that the players aren't playing with passion. Some of them look like they can't wait to leave the game. This should never happen. I guess the saying is right where people say "you can't pay me enough to (fill in what you dont want to do)". Sad to say that it looks like we couldn't pay these players enough to play under Mike Brown. He needs to be relieved of his duties (I hate the word fired lol) and perhaps become an assistant to another coach, or even video coordinating. I heard he was great at that.

Another thing that needs to happen is Kobe needs to stop. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what to call it....but seriously...stop. Stop telling the fans to shut up. Stop calling them idiots. Stop saying you're going to retire in 2 years, only to change your mind and say you're playing until we hate you. Stop shooting so much at the end of blowouts because thats whats going to drive Dwight Howard away. Wanna know why Van Gundy was fired? Because he was too "negative" as Dwight commented on several times. Kobe, keep doing this crap, and not only do you leave the lakers with a bad taste in your mouth and all of ours, but we also lose Dwight. And why the hell keep Pau Gasol at that point? Just fire everyone. Trade everyone away. Fire the fans, fire Los Angeles....I can clearly keep at this rant. But I don't want to bore you.

Things need to change.

[B]My plan:[/B]

1) Hire Jerry Sloan

2) Play freaking whatever the hell is name is that we signed from philly, because he's a young energetic dude with a really good future. I can't stand how Mike Brown never played Kapono either. Brown seems to hate sharp shooters. Somebody put whatever the hell is name is on the floor.

3) Dwight and Kobe BOTH need to be named captains because at this rate, Dwight is our best player. Not fu*king Kobe. Dwight is playing well for a guy that came off surgery and his numbers are still super star like. This is now Dwight's team because regardless of what happens, Kobe is staying a laker. He said it himself. Dwight however, can leave at season end....which sad to say, is looking like its more of a possibility with too many d!ckheads in this organization.

Ok, there's officially too many threads about Mike Brown that are pretty much talking about the same stuff. I'm not one to complain about multiple threads, but this time I don't even know where to post so people will see what I'm saying. This morning on ESPN radio it was reported that if the Lakers don't do well over this homestand they have throughout the next week the will fire Mike Brown!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: I don't want to root against the Lakers but a losing streak here would really help this teams chances at winning a championship this season. Here's hoping for a 2-4 record over the next 6 games :D

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]
Wanna know why Van Gundy was fired? Because he was too "negative" as Dwight commented on several times.

[B]My plan:[/B]

1) Hire Jerry Sloan
[/QUOTE]

You do know that Jerry Sloan is a pretty negative guy more often than not, right? He runs the team old-school style where the players shutup and do what Sloan says. If you don't, you get punished. Sloan doesn't care if you're a regular player or superstar like Kobe or Dwight. He will yell at Kobe and make Kobe run laps if he speaks out.

Sloan used to yell at Deron Williams' face during games if he did something stupid in front of rest of team, coaches and fans. Sloan is great coach but old style. If Dwight got sick of Van Gundy being negative, Sloan will scream at him and bench him for short periods if he screws something up on the court. He doesn't take $hit from anyone, not even Karl Malone or John Stockton in prime. He doesn't yell as much as Stan, but he can be pretty negative at times. Weren't there rumors that D-Williams almost get into a fistfight with Sloan? Reminds me a bit of Pat Riley getting close to a fistfight with Shaq when Alonzo Mourning/wade/others had to hold back Riley/Shaq from pulling punches. :roll:

[QUOTE=bladefd]You do know that Jerry Sloan is a pretty negative guy more often than not, right? He runs the team old-school style where the players shutup and do what Sloan says. If you don't, you get punished. Sloan doesn't care if you're a regular player or superstar like Kobe or Dwight. He will yell at Kobe and make Kobe run laps if he speaks out.

Sloan used to yell at Deron Williams' face during games if he did something stupid in front of rest of team, coaches and fans. Sloan is great coach but old style. If Dwight got sick of Van Gundy being negative, Sloan will scream at him and bench him for short periods if he screws something up on the court. He doesn't take $hit from anyone, not even Karl Malone or John Stockton in prime. He doesn't yell as much as Stan, but he can be pretty negative at times. Weren't there rumors that D-Williams almost get into a fistfight with Sloan? Reminds me a bit of Pat Riley getting close to a fistfight with Shaq when Alonzo Mourning/wade/others had to hold back Riley/Shaq from pulling punches. :roll:[/QUOTE]

The difference in this case is that Sloan actually has credentials. If Dwight and the team can understand that, it will be just fine. He is very old school, and his way is proven at bringing titles. You need a no nonsense coach like Jerry Sloan. With one of those top notch coaches, you're always going to get some sort of attitude thats undesirable. Like Phil Jackson for example. He has this "I don't care if we win by 50 or lose by 50" attitude. He doesn't really show much of any emotion. Guys like Kobe gave him a second chance after he said that Kobe sabotaged games in high school. It was a big problem that got solved after Phil came and led them to more titles.

I didn't hear of the fist fight rumors with Sloan and Williams. I just heard they both had a huge fight where you can hear tirades from far away lol.

But Jerry Sloan is my first choice. I don't really have anyone else in mind honestly. I couldn't even think of D'Antoni. His no defense will completely kill this team. He never even took Nash and the suns to the finals and their team was talented enough.

I'm not really sure Sloan's style is the answer here either. I'm really hoping they aren't looking at D'Antoni. I'd love him as an offensive coordinator. As a head coach I'd be very disappointed. I don't know exactly what the answer is. I'd take Brian Shaw over either of those guys. I think Nate McMillan is certainly worth looking at.

DFish to the rescue!!!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


:oldlol:

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]The difference in this case is that Sloan actually has credentials. If Dwight and the team can understand that, it will be just fine. He is very old school, and his way is proven at bringing titles. You need a no nonsense coach like Jerry Sloan. With one of those top notch coaches, you're always going to get some sort of attitude thats undesirable. Like Phil Jackson for example. He has this "I don't care if we win by 50 or lose by 50" attitude. He doesn't really show much of any emotion. Guys like Kobe gave him a second chance after he said that Kobe sabotaged games in high school. It was a big problem that got solved after Phil came and led them to more titles.

I didn't hear of the fist fight rumors with Sloan and Williams. I just heard they both had a huge fight where you can hear tirades from far away lol.

But Jerry Sloan is my first choice. I don't really have anyone else in mind honestly. I couldn't even think of D'Antoni. His no defense will completely kill this team. He never even took Nash and the suns to the finals and their team was talented enough.[/QUOTE]

Uh......I'm going to do what I didn't do before with the Magic J thing.
Sloan never won an NBA title.
I have 3 friends, NBA veterans now retired, who were longtime members of the Jazz under Sloan and they have nothing but the highest praise for him........and yes, he is a dominating figure who doesn't take an inch of crap from anyone.
I don't know how Kobe & Dwight would get along with him, they have never been told NO in their lives. Karl Malone was even scared of Sloan.
I wouldn't be surprised if DWill almost got into a fight with him, but I wouldn't be surprised, these NBA guys now know they have all the power and think they know it all, don't want to listen, not like the old days.
Sloan may have kicked his @ss, you don't know how tough the guy is.
Sloan runs 45 minute practices, not 2-3 hours and I mean he's in his car by the 47th minute.......but he gets more done in those 45 minutes than most get in hours.

Lakerfreak :facepalm Mike Brown's offense was so terrible that they threw it out immediately following the season, you may say this one was worse, I will tell you that both were so terrible that it didn't matter.
I have to say I LMAO at your cursing tirade post.....I have never ever seen you write cursing stuff, I couldn't stop laughing.......I had to look at what time you wrote it.....1:45 am? You had to either be tired or drunk....lol.
Not knocking you, say what you like, however you choose....it was just funny.

I pray they don't think Bernie Bickerstaff can coach this team.....we need a top coach!!!!!

They should have at least fired the moron when last season ended.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]
I pray they don't think Bernie Bickerstaff can coach this team.....we need a top coach!!!!!
[/QUOTE]

Who do you want though (besides Phil....)?

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Uh......I'm going to do what I didn't do before with the Magic J thing.
Sloan never won an NBA title.
I have 3 friends, NBA veterans now retired, who were longtime members of the Jazz under Sloan and they have nothing but the highest praise for him........and yes, he is a dominating figure who doesn't take an inch of crap from anyone.
I don't know how Kobe & Dwight would get along with him, they have never been told NO in their lives. Karl Malone was even scared of Sloan.
I wouldn't be surprised if DWill almost got into a fight with him, but I wouldn't be surprised, these NBA guys now know they have all the power and think they know it all, don't want to listen, not like the old days.
Sloan may have kicked his @ss, you don't know how tough the guy is.
Sloan runs 45 minute practices, not 2-3 hours and I mean he's in his car by the 47th minute.......but he gets more done in those 45 minutes than most get in hours.

Lakerfreak :facepalm Mike Brown's offense was so terrible that they threw it out immediately following the season, you may say this one was worse, I will tell you that both were so terrible that it didn't matter.
I have to say I LMAO at your cursing tirade post.....I have never ever seen you write cursing stuff, I couldn't stop laughing.......I had to look at what time you wrote it.....1:45 am? You had to either be tired or drunk....lol.
Not knocking you, say what you like, however you choose....it was just funny.

I pray they don't think Bernie Bickerstaff can coach this team.....we need a top coach!!!!!

They should have at least fired the moron when last season ended.[/QUOTE]


I know he hasn't won a title, but lets look at the accomplishments for a second....he made the finals, twice. Each year he reached the finals, he won 2 games each appearance, against the almighty, jordan-led, bulls. Nobody beat that team ever. You can almost give a ring to any of those teams that played the bulls had they faced anyone else. The great thing about it, he didn't need that much talent. He had a great point guard, and a great power forward. Everyone else took care of their roles.

If Karl Malone and Stockton were afraid of messing up in front of Sloan, imagine Kobe and Dwight. Karl Malone was the most stubborn NBA player. Kobe knows to listen to coach. He also knows how to conform to win. Don't you remember when starbury was having his issues with Larry Brown, Kobe through the media said to marbury "listen to larry". Kobe knows, and if Dwight wants to win, he'll also listen.

lol I was very tired and frustrated from a very eventful day. You'll find me like that sometimes. My apologies :D

I know Mike Brown's offense was bad last season too. At this point though, I believe that it would have been better than this year's offense. Brown's offense last year depended on Kobe and Ramon's decision making. Leaving that to Nash this season would have produced slightly better results. Thats just my humble opinion anyways.

Edit: I don't think Bernie is in their long term plan. He's obviously going to stay until someone else comes. No idea what happens after. I predict they'll find a coach by 1-2 weeks from now.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]

Edit: I don't think Bernie is in their long term plan. He's obviously going to stay until someone else comes. No idea what happens after. I predict they'll find a coach by 1-2 weeks from now.[/QUOTE]
You will get a new "Turkey" and a black Friday.

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]I know he hasn't won a title, but lets look at the accomplishments for a second....he made the finals, twice. Each year he reached the finals, he won 2 games each appearance, against the almighty, jordan-led, bulls. Nobody beat that team ever. You can almost give a ring to any of those teams that played the bulls had they faced anyone else. The great thing about it, he didn't need that much talent. He had a great point guard, and a great power forward. Everyone else took care of their roles.

If Karl Malone and Stockton were afraid of messing up in front of Sloan, imagine Kobe and Dwight. Karl Malone was the most stubborn NBA player. Kobe knows to listen to coach. He also knows how to conform to win. Don't you remember when starbury was having his issues with Larry Brown, Kobe through the media said to marbury "listen to larry". Kobe knows, and if Dwight wants to win, he'll also listen.

lol I was very tired and frustrated from a very eventful day. You'll find me like that sometimes. My apologies :D

I know Mike Brown's offense was bad last season too. At this point though, I believe that it would have been better than this year's offense. Brown's offense last year depended on Kobe and Ramon's decision making. Leaving that to Nash this season would have produced slightly better results. Thats just my humble opinion anyways.

Edit: I don't think Bernie is in their long term plan. He's obviously going to stay until someone else comes. No idea what happens after. I predict they'll find a coach by 1-2 weeks from now.[/QUOTE]

Very Solid Post :applause: :cheers:
Lol.....don't apologize for your outburst, nothing wrong with it......and better yet it gave me a good laugh.

Mitch speaking after the game tells the whole story. He said in a different situation where if the team had a 5-7 year plan to rebuild it could've worked with Brown :lol :oldlol: :D :roll:

He basically said in a nice way Brown has no clue what he's doing.

[QUOTE=dd24]Mitch speaking after the game tells the whole story. He said in a different situation where if the team had a 5-7 year plan to rebuild it could've worked with Brown :lol :oldlol: :D :roll:

He basically said in a nice way Brown has no clue what he's doing.[/QUOTE]

We told 'em from the start dd24 :cheers:
It's amazing, I watched him coach in Cleveland and KNEW he couldn't coach at all, to the point I would laugh out loud at all his idiotic moves. Ex NBA guys I know would also laugh at him......yet we were so clueless (Jimmy) that we actually hired the guy. Adelman is still pissed that he didn't get the job.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]We told 'em from the start dd24 :cheers:
It's amazing, I watched him coach in Cleveland and KNEW he couldn't coach at all, to the point I would laugh out loud at all his idiotic moves. Ex NBA guys I know would also laugh at him......yet we were so clueless (Jimmy) that we actually hired the guy. Adelman is still pissed that he didn't get the job.[/QUOTE]



It's so crazy how these list of events all took place.

It all started with the new "Jim buss" taking over and Jerry allowing him to make any moves to make sure he could run the team.

Jim wanted to prove to Jerry that HE COULD RUN a team and take them to another championship by lowering the costs tremendously.

What did he do?

He wanted to rid the organization of anything Phil Jackson related. Including not hiring shaw because they wanted to remove the idea of Phil.

Next, he tried cutting costs. Didn't re-sign brown, traded away Lamar for cap space, Etc.


What happened? Wasn't successful that year.

Jerry stayed quiet.

Jerry stepped in, said F.UCK THAT. Lets spend money Jim. You can't build a winner by trying to be a penny saver. PLUS, we have KB.

Jerry got nash and Dwight. INCLUDING trading away JIMMY'S guy BYNUM. Jerry said "tired of his shit"

Then, He let brown have his preseason.

What happens? He wasn't successful again.

Then, he gives him the regular season.

What happens?

Jerry buss didn't even give brown the shot to be unsuccessful again.
He nipped it in the butt and said "f.uck that"

Bring back the guy that is proven to work. Lol

[QUOTE=MJ(Mean John)]It's so crazy how these list of events all took place.

It all started with the new "Jim buss" taking over and Jerry allowing him to make any moves to make sure he could run the team.

Jim wanted to prove to Jerry that HE COULD RUN a team and take them to another championship by lowering the costs tremendously.

What did he do?

He wanted to rid the organization of anything Phil Jackson related. Including not hiring shaw because they wanted to remove the idea of Phil.

Next, he tried cutting costs. Didn't re-sign brown, traded away Lamar for cap space, Etc.


What happened? Wasn't successful that year.

Jerry stayed quiet.

Jerry stepped in, said F.UCK THAT. Lets spend money Jim. You can't build a winner by trying to be a penny saver. PLUS, we have KB.

Jerry got nash and Dwight. INCLUDING trading away JIMMY'S guy BYNUM. Jerry said "tired of his shit"

Then, He let brown have his preseason.

What happens? He wasn't successful again.

Then, he gives him the regular season.

What happens?

Jerry buss didn't even give brown the shot to be unsuccessful again.
He nipped it in the butt and said "f.uck that"

Bring back the guy that is proven to work. Lol[/QUOTE]

Very well said. Really if you look at all the successful organizations in sports it starts with management and the culture they bring to the work place. The Patriots don't make stupid moves like that. The Pittsburgh Steelers don't. There's a reason that in sports that are built to have a certain amount of parity that certain teams still stay on top. You absolutely need to have smart people making decisions in the management of the organization. It's why the Cowboys will be mediocre in football :lol

[QUOTE=MJ(Mean John)]It's so crazy how these list of events all took place.

It all started with the new "Jim buss" taking over and Jerry allowing him to make any moves to make sure he could run the team.

Jim wanted to prove to Jerry that HE COULD RUN a team and take them to another championship by lowering the costs tremendously.

What did he do?

He wanted to rid the organization of anything Phil Jackson related. Including not hiring shaw because they wanted to remove the idea of Phil.

Next, he tried cutting costs. Didn't re-sign brown, traded away Lamar for cap space, Etc.


What happened? Wasn't successful that year.

Jerry stayed quiet.

Jerry stepped in, said F.UCK THAT. Lets spend money Jim. You can't build a winner by trying to be a penny saver. PLUS, we have KB.

Jerry got nash and Dwight. INCLUDING trading away JIMMY'S guy BYNUM. Jerry said "tired of his shit"

Then, He let brown have his preseason.

What happens? He wasn't successful again.

Then, he gives him the regular season.

What happens?

Jerry buss didn't even give brown the shot to be unsuccessful again.
He nipped it in the butt and said "f.uck that"

Bring back the guy that is proven to work. Lol[/QUOTE]

:applause: :cheers: :applause: