Sources: Lakers hire Mike D'Antoni

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Hey, Hey!!!!! FINALLY, real basketball conversation....quite good too!!!! :cheers:
I was starting to think you didn't have it in you :oldlol:

Mike 'Antoni (No D) has been coaching a very long time....not just in the NBA, those are the type of guys who don't change their system...if he didn't really change all that time he is not going to change now.....sure to your point maybe he won't try to run as fast...because they can't....but he will definitely not have a defense that is worth a crap.....I don't care WHO the assistant coaches are, it's the head coach who tells them what to do....he, just like Brown doesn't listen to his assistants....one reason Brown lost most of his during the offseason. He has had players, owners, GMs beg him to work on defense and he refused, I cannot see him suddenly changing now.

Last year a ton of guys boasted about how Brown's assistant coaches were so good and were going to do this and that.......oh this guy is a defensive expert and that guy is a great offensive guy......and what happened.....NOTHING. i just flat out don't trust that this guy gets it, I see a guy who wants to prove everyone wrong....that his shoot quick no D CAN win a championship....this is how he wants to leave his mark on the game.
Other than him either coaching great D or at least saying that he is going to commit to defense and rebounding I will not change my views.
It's like someone thinking Phil Jackson would play rookies big minutes :oldlol:

Again, just as I said about Brown....I HOPE TO BE PROVEN WRONG :cheers:[/QUOTE]

He agreed to having Woodson hired in New York and is now looking at Mcmillan, to me that sends a message he's willing to outsource the defense.
Chuck Pearson is also rumored to be staying, he was in charge of the defense the last year Phil was coaching.

It's also fair to consider what we can actually expect from this group of players defensively. If we can hit the open shots at a good rate I think this team should be 1st or 2nd offensively. But defensively what do you expect?
I know we have Dwight but people are old and just doesn't move as fast as they used to.
Last year under Brown the defensive specalist we had the 17th(!!!) ranked defense in the league and this year so far we're 14th.
So what can we realistically expect from these players?
I think if we can have a perhaps top 7-10 ranked defense and number 1 or 2 offense it would be a pretty strong combination, and I think there's a better chance of achieving that for this group of players than to say they have to form into an elite defensive unit when the potential isn't really there.
And just to clarify when I talk about offensive and defensive rankings I'm talking about effectiveness per possesion and not points total.

This team need needs good offense to have good defense, because when we miss shots and make turnovers(Lakers have an insane ammount of turnovers so far) the other team attacks in our weakest spot transition defense.

I think 'Antoni can get the optimal out of this group offensively, he got the same point guard albeit older, the best big man in the league and one of the best wing players ever, they will do great, take responsibility away from Artest so he doesn't have to make hard decisions, he's looked horrible in both the princeton and triangle because his mind can't process the decisions fast enough, also he can't dribble and have a hard time shooting, shit...he's tough to watch these days. I bet if Meeks can shoot like he did last year at 37 or so % he will get more time because he'll open things up considerably.

I could be wrong about all of this and we fail miserably, but I'm just trying to look at the possibilites from a positive point of view, it can't all be negative thoughts :cheers:

I'm curious to see how Jamison will fit into all of this. He seemed a bit lost under Brown while playing at the 3( :facepalm ). Could he be an option to open things up as a 4 along side Howard or when/if Pau ever plays center?

[QUOTE=bladefd]I think you might have a point there. If you watch espn, look at how nuts they are going over this. If somebody had no idea who Phil or D'Antoni or nba was, they would think that there is some huge major controversy going. It's obvious that they want to absolutely hype this up and juice it out..

Gotten to the point that some idiots in media manufactured this whole "Phil didn't want to coach any of the away games" and "wanted to control every Laker roster move" and "wanted part ownership" along with other garbage.... where the hell did all that come from?
Phil said they didn't even talk about contract specifics in the Jimmy/Mitch/Phil meeting on Saturday morning. Kurt Rambis also said neither of it is true and was never discussed. Phil's agent said that he went to LA on Sunday evening to negotiate the contract and said that neither of those two things were even talked about. The Lakers did NOT refute anything that Phil/Rambis/his agent said. If they were lying, wouldn't lakers have refuted it by now?

It's obviously somebody in the media made up that nonsense and they all started using it. What a joke.[/QUOTE]

Phil DID ask for this on his last contract with the Lakers, that is where this came from a fact that was well known and I commented on it a couple months ago in a thread, it was assumed that he would ask for the same thing. It was not made up out of thin air.
Now did he ask for this again.......probably so but not to the point that negotiations should've been cut off. My guess is that Jimmy got drunk and/or pissed off at Jeanie and did the deal in the middle of the night.....why else would he do it at that hour, it's not like anyone was after 'Antoni.
It's the only thing that makes sense because the coach can't even be there for over a week :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]He agreed to having Woodson hired in New York and is now looking at Mcmillan, to me that sends a message he's willing to outsource the defense.
Chuck Pearson is also rumored to be staying, he was in charge of the defense the last year Phil was coaching.

It's also fair to consider what we can actually expect from this group of players defensively. If we can hit the open shots at a good rate I think this team should be 1st or 2nd offensively. But defensively what do you expect?
I know we have Dwight but people are old and just doesn't move as fast as they used to.
Last year under Brown the defensive specalist we had the 17th(!!!) ranked defense in the league and this year so far we're 14th.
So what can we realistically expect from these players?
I think if we can have a perhaps top 7-10 ranked defense and number 1 or 2 offense it would be a pretty strong combination, and I think there's a better chance of achieving that for this group of players than to say they have to form into an elite defensive unit when the potential isn't really there.
And just to clarify when I talk about offensive and defensive rankings I'm talking about effectiveness per possesion and not points total.

This team need needs good offense to have good defense, because when we miss shots and make turnovers(Lakers have an insane ammount of turnovers so far) the other team attacks in our weakest spot transition defense.

I think 'Antoni can get the optimal out of this group offensively, he got the same point guard albeit older, the best big man in the league and one of the best wing players ever, they will do great, take responsibility away from Artest so he doesn't have to make hard decisions, he's looked horrible in both the princeton and triangle because his mind can't process the decisions fast enough, also he can't dribble and have a hard time shooting, shit...he's tough to watch these days. I bet if Meeks can shoot like he did last year at 37 or so % he will get more time because he'll open things up considerably.

I could be wrong about all of this and we fail miserably, but I'm just trying to look at the possibilites from a positive point of view, it can't all be negative thoughts :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Chuck Person will never help anyone's defense, it was a joke that Phil let him try. The guy was an incredible shooter but never played an ounce of defense in his entire career......that was like hiring Shaq to teach free throw shooting :facepalm Brown actuall got that one thing right this year, he had Person working on Dwight's free throw shooting, I always said a legendary shooter like Person should be their shooting coach....nothing else. I'd be happy with a top 10 in defense....I do think we have the potential to be top 5......with the right HEAD COACH, which we don't have.

Good offense to have good defense......yes, that does help but it doesn't do it all, you still have to have aggressive play, strong, active rebounding and great rotations. 'Antoni doesn't give practice time for defense.

Keep your positive attitude :cheers: I would love to join you but after enduring the idiot coach Mike Brown, this is the last guy I wanted coaching the Lakers, I'm burned out on bad coaching at this point.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Chuck Person will never help anyone's defense, it was a joke that Phil let him try. The guy was an incredible shooter but never played an ounce of defense in his entire career......that was like hiring Shaq to teach free throw shooting :facepalm Brown actuall got that one thing right this year, he had Person working on Dwight's free throw shooting, I always said a legendary shooter like Person should be their shooting coach....nothing else. I'd be happy with a top 10 in defense....[B]I do think we have the potential to be top 5......[/B]with the right HEAD COACH, which we don't have.

Good offense to have good defense......yes, that does help but it doesn't do it all, you still have to have aggressive play, strong, active rebounding and great rotations. 'Antoni doesn't give practice time for defense.

Keep your positive attitude :cheers: I would love to join you but after enduring the idiot coach Mike Brown, this is the last guy I wanted coaching the Lakers, I'm burned out on bad coaching at this point.[/QUOTE]

top 5 is reaching. Even with tom thibedou i am not sure about that.

I would give it a chance honestly. you never know with hiring of Nate M, Steve Clifford and C Person( the same chuck who jackson once trusted with his own offense)

People change over experience. He hired woodson for defense in NYK.

Not everybody is served on silver plate like Phil who had MJ/Pippen & Kobe/Shaq.

look at pop...what has he won since 2007? we can as might well say the old man has lost it...good team in regular season but gets bounced in playoffs pretty badly....

I am going to have a open mind about this and we will see

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I am going to have a open mind about this and we will see[/QUOTE] Me too, repped. I think this will be fun. I bet half the people crying the Lakers didn't hire Jackson use to bitch and moan about Phil when he was head coach. I got sick of watching them underachieve that final season, no motivation no effort, swept by the Mavs while I yelled at Phil to get off his ass and coach somebody, anybody. Rookies never getting burn.

Time for some new blood a new way of Lakers basketball.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Phil DID ask for this on his last contract with the Lakers, that is where this came from a fact that was well known and I commented on it a couple months ago in a thread, it was assumed that he would ask for the same thing. It was not made up out of thin air.
Now did he ask for this again.......probably so but not to the point that negotiations should've been cut off. My guess is that Jimmy got drunk and/or pissed off at Jeanie and did the deal in the middle of the night.....why else would he do it at that hour, it's not like anyone was after 'Antoni.
It's the only thing that makes sense because the coach can't even be there for over a week :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:[/QUOTE]
something i said in the other thread.... it kind of seems like a rush to judgement for coach. they won a couple games it didnt have to be that exact min. if they gave phil until monday i dont get why not wait let that pass. i am not even trying to say it was a wrong move just wrong timing. same thing when brown got hired they were talking to several people. i believe there was others that were going to come in to interview. brown comes in and basically walks out with the job. it seems as if there is no thought process any more. no longer calculated but rash decisions.

have the Lakers ever changed their coach twice in one season?

:rolleyes: :wtf: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]have the Lakers ever changed their coach twice in one season?

:rolleyes: :wtf: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Oh....and it's not done yet.....just wait.

[QUOTE=Mgamer20o0]something i said in the other thread.... it kind of seems like a rush to judgement for coach. they won a couple games it didnt have to be that exact min. if they gave phil until monday i dont get why not wait let that pass. i am not even trying to say it was a wrong move just wrong timing. same thing when brown got hired they were talking to several people. i believe there was others that were going to come in to interview. brown comes in and basically walks out with the job. it seems as if there is no thought process any more. no longer calculated but rash decisions.[/QUOTE]

Jimmy is a spoiled brat, always has been, this is typical for him.
None of this would've happened if Jerry or Jeanie was fully in control.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Oh....and it's not done yet.....just wait.[/QUOTE]

I would highly doubt that D'antoni doesn't make it through the season. He typically puts up a good regular season record, so I don't think the red flags will even really be noticed until the playoffs. Plus the Lakers aren't going to want to pay 3 head coaches at the same time. They're already paying Brown, if they fired D'antoni they would need to pay him too, plus whoever else they would hire. I think unfortunately we're stuck with D'antoni for the long haul.....

[QUOTE=daily][B]Me too, repped[/B]. I think this will be fun. I bet half the people crying the Lakers didn't hire Jackson use to bitch and moan about Phil when he was head coach. I got sick of watching them underachieve that final season, no motivation no effort, swept by the Mavs while I yelled at Phil to get off his ass and coach somebody, anybody. Rookies never getting burn.

Time for some new blood a new way of Lakers basketball.[/QUOTE]

thanks Dude.

[QUOTE=dd24]I would highly doubt that D'antoni doesn't make it through the season. He typically puts up a good regular season record, so I don't think the red flags will even really be noticed until the playoffs. Plus the Lakers aren't going to want to pay 3 head coaches at the same time. They're already paying Brown, if they fired D'antoni they would need to pay him too, plus whoever else they would hire. I think unfortunately we're stuck with D'antoni for the long haul.....[/QUOTE]

Oh.....I didn't mean THIS season, I meant next season.
If it doesn't go well and the guys don't like his coaching + Dwight says change coaches or I'm gone......bye bye Mike part 2 :oldlol:

[QUOTE=daily]Me too, repped. I think this will be fun. I bet half the people crying the Lakers didn't hire Jackson use to bitch and moan about Phil when he was head coach. I got sick of watching them underachieve that final season, no motivation no effort, swept by the Mavs while I yelled at Phil to get off his ass and coach somebody, anybody. Rookies never getting burn.

Time for some new blood a new way of Lakers basketball.[/QUOTE]

The problem I have is NOT with the fact they didn't sign Phil, it was with them hiring the worst available coach for the job.....even he was shocked.
In addition the unprofessional procedure speaks volumes about Jimmy Buss.
I wanted Adelman at the time they screwed up and signed Brown....not Phil.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Oh.....I didn't mean THIS season, I meant next season.
If it doesn't go well and the guys don't like his coaching + Dwight says change coaches or I'm gone......bye bye Mike part 2 :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I could see a possible change midway through next season. They would need to do very bad in the playoffs this year and start out slow next year though. I'm not certain we'll see that happen yet. To me the one thing that might help this thing work is if McMillan comes on board and D'Antoni lets him handle all of the defensive work. What that also does though is makes it easier for the Lakers to fire D'Antoni if it doesn't work and then let McMillan take things over for the rest of the season. Kind of like what happened in NY with Woodson. I think McMillan would do a great job as head coach of this team. At least having him on as an assistant helps out and he & D'Antoni have worked together before. D'Antoni needs to get over his ego. Hopefully he learned that he needs to make his system work around the talent he has rather than making his players try to conform to his system.

[QUOTE=dd24]I could see a possible change midway through next season. They would need to do very bad in the playoffs this year and start out slow next year though. I'm not certain we'll see that happen yet. To me the one thing that might help this thing work is if McMillan comes on board and D'Antoni lets him handle all of the defensive work. What that also does though is makes it easier for the Lakers to fire D'Antoni if it doesn't work and then let McMillan take things over for the rest of the season. Kind of like what happened in NY with Woodson. I think McMillan would do a great job as head coach of this team. At least having him on as an assistant helps out and he & D'Antoni have worked together before. D'Antoni needs to get over his ego. Hopefully he learned that he needs to make his system work around the talent he has rather than making his players try to conform to his system.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm....that is interesting.....having McMillan take over as head coach, it may work out. :applause:

How disrespectful and dismissive some of the people on this "fan" forum are of Phil. Heres a dude that took us to The Promised Land 5 out of 7 times. There should be no argument for D Antoni over Phil from Lakers fans. I didnt even have D Antoni in my personal discussion of prospects. For me it was Phil followed by a very far Jerry Sloan for second. Who cares about exciting? We aint gonna have Showtime cuz Showtime was Magic. We dont have Magic guys. Be real. All I care about is championships and Phil = Championships. Again, 5 out of 7 times to The Finals. Be real. What has D Antoni ultimately done? Just like Brown, another "coach that couldnt."

[quote=dd24].. if McMillan comes on board and D'Antoni lets him handle all of the defensive work. What that also does though is makes it easier for the Lakers to fire D'Antoni if it doesn't work and then let McMillan take things over for the rest of the season. [/quote]

I think it's too easy to blame D'Antoni before he's given any shot at all....

I do like the idea of having McMillian take care of the defence... I would
have been happy to have him as head coach...

But it might be a combination that works.... D'Antoni knows how to get
Nash MVPs!! He's a smart guy. Let's see if he can create the results
all Lakers fans want especially with this lineup!!

[quote=DKLaker]Hmmm....that is interesting.....having McMillan take over as head coach, it may work out. :applause:[/quote]

You and I both like Nate McMillian.... but let's see if the combination of
the two (one offense, one defense) can work.

As I said above, D'Antoni helped Nash get 2 MVPs, so he's pretty
knowledgable. I can;t imagine this team not being great on the
defensive end eventually... so D'Antoni is expected to get the offense
humming. Let's give him a shot.
:cheers:

Okay it took a few days but I am finally here and ready to comment on the hiring of Mike D'antoni, and not the heavily anticipated Phil Jackson.

Before I officially give my opinion, I want to address all my points in bullets:

[B][U]*Entertaining the return of Phil*[/U][/B]

1) Phil Jackson's reported demands, which hadn't begun this season, but even when he was in his last stint with us, we're always going to be rebuked, rebuffed, and rejected by the lakers organization. A big salary is way too much for a coach who wasn't going to coach every single game. He also wanted to bring on Brian Shaw (who is already assisting in IND) and Scottie Pippen. More salaries to add to what they already have to pay for. Although Phil Jackson had come out to say that "He didn't make any of those demands". We never know if this is true. The loser will always come out swinging in his best interest. Lastly, Phil Jackson wanted to take a "few days" to decide whether he "really wanted in" or not. Its a scary thing to come across. What if he was motivated one day, and then not into it the next day? We've seen what an unmotivated Phil can do to a big important game. Losing against the pistons in the finals, he was definitely a factor. Losing against the mavs a couple seasons back...also a slight factor.

2) Jim Buss and Phil don't like each other. It is obvious. It was pointed out by Max yesterday on 710 ESPN, that Jimmy had always been jealous of the success by Phil Jackson. 11 championship rings in the NBA. Enough said. It seemed that by the request of front office decision making, Jimmy felt challenged by phil. I don't know what that situation is. There was no way those two would come back working together. Not now, and not in the future.

3) Now let us say that Phil is hired, and he is the laker coach now. Let's look at the biggest problem that happens here. The triangle offense comes back to town. This offense is similar to the principles of the princeton offense, the reason we fired Mike Brown. It involves equal sharing of all 5 players, renders our HOF point guard in Nash completely useless, and it takes a very long time to master and be comfortable with (at least 2 seasons). Ron Artest never grasped it, and was about to be in school once again with Nash and Dwight who also do not have any experience running this offense (Dwight in high school with Javaris crittenton but thats a completely different level and unrelated to Phil's triangle).
[COLOR="Red"][B]Did we not all agree before that we didn't need a complex offense for the talent level of this team????[/B][/COLOR] We agreed that we just needed Nash to run the show, sharing responsibilities with Kobe. Mike Brown overdid it and it cost him his job. Why should the addition of Phil Jackson to this team, with practically 75% new players, produce any different results? Phil is a great motivator. He brings the best out of his players and they are always playing hard whether they love phil or hate him. That is true.
But this team now has all possible talent, and leadership on the court to win a championship. Do we absolutely [U][B]need[/B][/U] the triangle? Absolutely not.

[B][U]*What the addition of D'antoni brings*[/U][/B]

1) Show time style basketball looks like it can return to LA. Watching all superstars on the team play selflessly, with each one contributing all what they can give to win the championship. We will probably see [U]the most efficient offensive team in the league[/U] this season and next. Nash will be absolutely comfortable, and at his age, he doesn't need to look to dominate a game. Rather than he can play freely, and dish to whoever is in great position to put the ball in the hoop. This move will also [COLOR="red"]greatly improve the play of the bench[/COLOR] who has been a disappointment every year. Watch Jamison getting more open shots. Meeks getting more shots. Darius Morris using his quickness to thrive in this offense. Offensively, I think we can all agree that we will be happy in this department

2) Defensively a lot of people are questioning how this team will perform. I know what people say "Haha he's a crappy defensive coach"...."Haha D'antoni doesn't even preach defense".....and my most favorite one [B]"He should be called Antoni...not D'antoni"[/B]...I've heard it all.
What people don't realize is the tempo of the phoenix suns team is what created big scores. You can't expect the phoenix suns, coached by d'antoni, to score 120-130 points....and then hold the opposing team to under 90. It's unreal, and can only be witnessed in the olympics. I understand that their defense was not above average. It may not have been average. But lets look at the players on the team. Diaw, Nash, Amare....do any of those guys play defense? No not at all! We have Ron Artest who will continue to guard the best perimeter, and sometimes even post player on the opposing team. We have Dwight Howard, who by the way, will probably average more rebounds and blocked shots because of the amount of possessions each game. We have Kobe, who has proven he can be the best perimeter defender in the league. All we have to worry about is Nash. But when Nash sits, we got Blake, Morris, Duhon. All those guys are spectacular when it comes to defending other guards. Look who might come to town to help him defensively as well....Nate McMillan. Everyone wanted that guy to come here to be a head coach! If those two work well together, we might be able to pull of a ring for Kobe this year, next year, and hell...maybe even the year after.

3) The last point I would like to make is that D'antoni has the respect of Kobe, Nash, Dwight, and everyone else who knows his reputation. Mike Brown was never respected. Lets face it. He had a finals appearance, but D'antoni had a phoenix suns basketball team that was very successful for a long time. Even in New York, when D'antoni had point guards that performed well, they won the game. Look at what Jeremy Lin did? Look at what Duhon did for him in half a season?

I hope these guys come together, and provide what can possibly be the funnest, and most exciting team to watch since the 04 new look lakers...

and glory be to God forever Amen.

Lakerfreak, what I like the least out of your long awaited post (:oldlol: ) is that you wasted your time trying to lower the credibility of Phil in order to elevate 'Antoni.....this is unnecessary in trying to make a point. We all know the good and bad that comes with PJ but........how many rings does anyone else in the league have..........Yeah.....that's what I thought.......end of that crap.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm To actually try to compare the idiot Brown's Princeton to Phil's Triangle :banghead: :banghead:
This is a ridiculous as trying to compare me doing a magic trick to Chris Angel :banghead: Just STOP :no:

Jimmy is a complete idiot.....let's not try to excuse the guy,......he is so determined to establish HIS own identity that he has hurt the team.

As for Mike 'Antoni, it's too easy to call him that.....who else has a "D" in front of his name and never speaks of defense........even the Suns and Knicks players said he would very rarely even mention defense much less practice it.
So until I see this Lakers team play real defense I'll go with 'Antoni to make my point without having to say anything else (Lazy yes :D ).

Defensive talent doesn't mean you'll have a good defense, you have to have a system, rotations, protocol and you have to practice it.....you have to go over video and see opponents tendencies.
To think...oh we have Metta, Kobe and Dwight so our defense will be good is a lack of understanding of how a great team functions.
There is a reason the man hasn't been to the finals......it's certainly not because of his grade A offense. He lacks the respect for defense the way Jimmy Buss lacks the respect for scouting.

'Antoni is a smart man but stubbornly wants to win a title HIS WAY, he wants to show you can win without defense......this will not work....never.
IF we bring in McMillan and the coach allows him real practice time for defense we will have a good shot at this.....we are all praying :cheers:

Here is what Mr. Showtime, Magic Johnson thinks about the hiring and Jimmy;

[Quote]After tweeting that he would remain silent if he didn't "have anything nice to say," Magic Johnson said what was on his mind anyway.

Johnson doesn't think Mike D'Antoni is the right coach for the Los Angeles Lakers and can't understand how the franchise passed on bringing back Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson.

And Johnson doesn't believe in Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss.

"I love Dr. (Jerry) Buss. I don't believe in Jim Buss," Johnson said on ESPN's NBA Countdown show Wednesday night. "He's made two critical mistakes already. To me, they made two critical mistakes.[/Quote]

[url]http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8633977/magic-johnson-critical-los-angeles-lakers-jim-buss-decision-hire-mike-dantoni[/url]

Never a waste of time my laker loving friend. I am simply looking at the glass half full. Why did the Suns get eliminated so much? Simply because any team with have a decent big man was able to pound it inside. The sun's had no post presence other than a amare who had the playing style of a guard anyways. However we have Dwight Howard. This team assembled is much much better than the team that Mike ever had to coach. All of these players in the lineup have a good defensive IQ. I guarantee you they will get stops late in games which is more important.

Anyhow....driving and using my voice texting feature. I love my sIII.

I don't think Magic is the only former Laker that was upset.... I love that he actually brings it up. Magic is dead on too! All we can do now is cross our fingers. If it's going to work, Nate McMillan is really going to need to be a big part of it.

Think they'll resign Glock ? he'd probably do well in this system ... sure wish they kept CDR as well ..

I doubt they're going to resign Goudelock. I think he got way over hyped as a player. The interesting thing that I think about is if they would've fired Brown before the season and shocked everyone by hiring D'Antoni is the Lakers probably would've been able to sign Barbosa instead of him choosing the Celtics. That would've made the bench better. I think Meeks and Jamison will do better in an offense that has better spacing and will get them better looks. The bench doesn't seem like it's in bad shape to me. It just seems like they need a real system to run. Brown held them back a ton.

[QUOTE=dd24]I doubt they're going to resign Goudelock. I think he got way over hyped as a player. The interesting thing that I think about is if they would've fired Brown before the season and shocked everyone by hiring D'Antoni is the Lakers probably would've been able to sign Barbosa instead of him choosing the Celtics. That would've made the bench better. I think Meeks and Jamison will do better in an offense that has better spacing and will get them better looks. The bench doesn't seem like it's in bad shape to me. It just seems like they need a real system to run. Brown held them back a ton.[/QUOTE]

He was a bit over hyped I agree. Lakers had pretty much zero offensive production coming from the second unit when he started producing so it's understandable. I do agree with you on the bench not being used properly ( Like jamison playing the 3 for whatever reason ) and yeah Getting Mike'D a bit earlier would have helped them land Barbosa.

I don't think CDR made the maves final roster but I'm not sure if the Lakers are still interested. I'd like to seem him in this system as well.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Here is what Mr. Showtime, Magic Johnson thinks about the hiring and Jimmy;



[url]http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8633977/magic-johnson-critical-los-angeles-lakers-jim-buss-decision-hire-mike-dantoni[/url][/QUOTE]

Again, the only similarity between a HOF basketball player, and someone like me, is their opinions carry the same value. Magic was 0-10 as our interim coach. From his experience, could he tell you in all honesty that he's played/dealt with either Phil or D'antoni?

Its no surprise. Its the safe answer to be honest. Anyone would normally choose Phil over D'antoni. [B]I would have opted for phil if Nash wasn't on the team[/B]. To win the trophy though, everyone has to be contributing and on the same page.

Look at what happened the last time we had a veteran star point guard on the team (Gary Payton). He lost interest, and barely played in the finals against detroit. Would you want Nash to lose interest?

[QUOTE]Still, Duhon scoffed at the widely held perception D'Antoni's system will entail little defense.

"You have Kobe, you have Metta (World Peace), you have Pau (Gasol) and you have Dwight Howard, obviously, protecting the paint," Duhon said.

"These guys have pride. They're not going to give up 157 points."[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Again, the only similarity between a HOF basketball player, and someone like me, is their opinions carry the same value. Magic was 0-10 as our interim coach. From his experience, could he tell you in all honesty that he's played/dealt with either Phil or D'antoni?

Its no surprise. Its the safe answer to be honest. Anyone would normally choose Phil over D'antoni. [B]I would have opted for phil if Nash wasn't on the team[/B]. To win the trophy though, everyone has to be contributing and on the same page.

Look at what happened the last time we had a veteran star point guard on the team (Gary Payton). He lost interest, and barely played in the finals against detroit. Would you want Nash to lose interest?[/QUOTE]

Not a bit of this made any sense :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
It's not even worth the momentary space on my computer screen.....I just hate how you downgrade Lakers legends......Magic's opinion same weight as yours????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
As Magic said......if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything......so I'll stop myself right there. mmmm.....yeah not things that I should say.....

[QUOTE=lakerfreak][url]http://www.presstelegram.com/rss/ci_22000034[/url][/QUOTE]

I quote Magic Johnson......

You quote Duhon????? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
:biggums:

Come on man!!!!!! :wtf:

[QUOTE=DKLaker]I quote Magic Johnson......

You quote Duhon????? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
:biggums:

Come on man!!!!!! :wtf:[/QUOTE]

Duhon played for D'antoni....Has Magic ever played for D'antoni?

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Not a bit of this made any sense :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
It's not even worth the momentary space on my computer screen.....I just hate how you downgrade Lakers legends......Magic's opinion same weight as yours????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
As Magic said......if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything......so I'll stop myself right there. mmmm.....yeah not things that I should say.....[/QUOTE]

Im not downgrading his career as a player. He's a crappy coach. Lets just admit that lol. Michael Jordan was the BEST player ever. Look at him as a team owner. He freaking sucks!

I just don't think "playing credentials" should be used to so easily sway the opinions of fans. Was Kobe right about how they should trade Bynum for Kidd? Was Phil right about trading Bynum for Artest?

These "top notch legends" are so high up there they don't even notice what goes on under their nose.

How did none of my post make any sense? I TRIED TO LEARN ENGLISH I REALLY DID!!!

[QUOTE=lakerfreak]Im not downgrading his career as a player. He's a crappy coach. Lets just admit that lol. Michael Jordan was the BEST player ever. Look at him as a team owner. He freaking sucks!

I just don't think "playing credentials" should be used to so easily sway the opinions of fans. Was Kobe right about how they should trade Bynum for Kidd? Was Phil right about trading Bynum for Artest?

These "top notch legends" are so high up there they don't even notice what goes on under their nose.

How did none of my post make any sense? I TRIED TO LEARN ENGLISH I REALLY DID!!![/QUOTE]

Listen, I know you really don't know much about Magic Johnson......or coaching for that matter. For you to state that Magic knows as much as you about coaching.....is........a Mike Brown level comment.
And worse to try to bring Kobe and Phil's proposed deals into it is just lame to say the least.......show me me anyone in a decision making position who has never made a mistake.......your comparison posts show a definite lack of knowledge of the game, no nicer way to put it.....and I am REALLY TRYING.

Now if you want to enlighten me with your knowledge then please tell me about the season that Magic took over as head coach.....you were what...3 years old or so? Yet in the time between now and then you now, through your experience, know as much about coaching as Magic???
I as there at the games, talking to the players afterwards.

Just stop it.....you were the main Mike Brown homer on here.
Magic said that Mike Brown was a bad hire and would have fired him at the end of last season. You would learn a lot more about the game if you would listen to those who know the game better........and this doesn't mean quoting bench warmer Duhon :facepalm

Still laughing about Steve Blake the defensive wizard :facepalm :banghead:

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Listen, I know you really don't know much about Magic Johnson......or coaching for that matter. For you to state that Magic knows as much as you about coaching.....is........a Mike Brown level comment.
And worse to try to bring Kobe and Phil's proposed deals into it is just lame to say the least.......show me me anyone in a decision making position who has never made a mistake.......your comparison posts show a definite lack of knowledge of the game, no nicer way to put it.....and I am REALLY TRYING.

Now if you want to enlighten me with your knowledge then please tell me about the season that Magic took over as head coach.....you were what...3 years old or so? Yet in the time between now and then you now, through your experience, know as much about coaching as Magic???
I as there at the games, talking to the players afterwards.

Just stop it.....you were the main Mike Brown homer on here.
Magic said that Mike Brown was a bad hire and would have fired him at the end of last season. You would learn a lot more about the game if you would listen to those who know the game better........and this doesn't mean quoting bench warmer Duhon :facepalm

Still laughing about Steve Blake the defensive wizard :facepalm :banghead:[/QUOTE]

I find it amusing that people on here think because I liked Mike Brown, that it spontaneously just lowers my credibility every time I speak. I think its completely stupid.

All I know is Magic went 0-10 as an interim coach. What should I do DK? Give him a hug, a kiss, and a chocolate chip cookie with 100$ in an envelope for christmas? 0-10 is crappy. I don't care what kind of team you have. 0-10 back then is just as bad as that is right now.

And as I mentioned in the other thread Duhon played for D'antoni, Magic never played for D'antoni. Duhon therefore wins that one as being more credible of a speaker.

Your approach at attacking my posts are intended to show everyone how "stupid" I am when it comes to the game. This approach fails with people who actually read what I have to say and use reasoning to pinpoint why I may have said something. Bottom line, if you think starting a war against good ol' lakerfreak by getting everyone else to say "I AGREE BUDDY" or "WOW DK SAYS HES DUMB....DK MUST BE SMART", then just to inform you from now, I will continue to post my opinions, respond to every post, moderate without a bias. I love this game and am not going anywhere else to post.

for me the - so far - only good thing about the signing of Dantoni is that PJax didnt get the job. i know i am one of the few...

now i will have to wait and see again how a new coach works out. pretty rediculous 8 games in the season for a huge club like the Lakers.

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]for me the - so far - only good thing about the signing of Dantoni is that PJax didnt get the job. i know i am one of the few...

now i will have to wait and see again how a new coach works out. pretty rediculous 8 games in the season for a huge club like the Lakers.[/QUOTE]

Ummm, he was a big part of this organization winning 5 championships!!!! Considered one of the greatest (if not the greatest) coaches of all time. Care to explain why you don't like Phil Jackson as a coach??

oh, i respect Phil as much as anyone. i watched him destroying my Jazz 97 and 98. i loved the Shaq/Kobe years and i enjoyed the last two rings. that being said, i didnt like what i heard about Phils demands from the start. now i transfer myself into Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchek to answer your question:

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there is a natural hierarchy, i am the boss and you as a coach report to me. and you cant come in and negotiate that. i would never let that happen. (and why should Jim Buss do? he maybe an idiot but he is the boss, if you like it or not.)

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a simple NO to the nonsense with coaching only RS home games. if you cant do the travelling anymore, you are too old for the NBA. there is no chance i pay you that much money sitting at home while the team is on an 8 game road trip. thats where teams bond, where you see how they work away from home. Phil himself said so in one of the championship DVDs.

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10-12 Mio dollars is a lot of money. plus he wanted Shaw and/or most of his old aasistants back. paying them and paying MB and his assistants, is a boatload of money. needs to be considered.

back into myself:
for me those are big arguments against PJax, without talking baskteball systems and players. would i have hired D'Antoni? No way. I would not be in this situation because i would have hired Rick Adleman last year. ;) think about having Adleman, Howard and CP3? could have been.

Jim Buss and Mitch have to deal with the reality they created by hiring MB and now Dantoni. i think they made the wrong choice both times, but thats their faults and not Dantonis, so i will keep my feelings against him in me and watch what he can do with this roster.

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]oh, i respect Phil as much as anyone. i watched him destroying my Jazz 97 and 98. i loved the Shaq/Kobe years and i enjoyed the last two rings. that being said, i didnt like what i heard about Phils demands from the start. now i transfer myself into Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchek to answer your question:

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there is a natural hierarchy, i am the boss and you as a coach report to me. and you cant come in and negotiate that. i would never let that happen. (and why should Jim Buss do? he maybe an idiot but he is the boss, if you like it or not.)

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a simple NO to the nonsense with coaching only RS home games. if you cant do the travelling anymore, you are too old for the NBA. there is no chance i pay you that much money sitting at home while the team is on an 8 game road trip. thats where teams bond, where you see how they work away from home. Phil himself said so in one of the championship DVDs.

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10-12 Mio dollars is a lot of money. plus he wanted Shaw and/or most of his old aasistants back. paying them and paying MB and his assistants, is a boatload of money. needs to be considered.

back into myself:
for me those are big arguments against PJax, without talking baskteball systems and players. would i have hired D'Antoni? No way. I would not be in this situation because i would have hired Rick Adleman last year. ;) think about having Adleman, Howard and CP3? could have been.

Jim Buss and Mitch have to deal with the reality they created by hiring MB and now Dantoni. i think they made the wrong choice both times, but thats their faults and not Dantonis, so i will keep my feelings against him in me and watch what he can do with this roster.[/QUOTE]

That's a good post. Myself I'm fine with Mike D'Antoni other than his name is a pain to type out on a phone. It's time to go another direction. Phil Jackson wouldn't have gone more than a season maybe two and you're back to square one looking for another hire. who know's who's available next time around. D'Antoni will provide long term stability at the hardest position to fill on an NBA staff if everything works out. No matter how successful the team might have become with Jackson that never would have happened.

[QUOTE=L.A. Jazz]oh, i respect Phil as much as anyone. i watched him destroying my Jazz 97 and 98. i loved the Shaq/Kobe years and i enjoyed the last two rings. that being said, i didnt like what i heard about Phils demands from the start. now i transfer myself into Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchek to answer your question:

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there is a natural hierarchy, i am the boss and you as a coach report to me. and you cant come in and negotiate that. i would never let that happen. (and why should Jim Buss do? he maybe an idiot but he is the boss, if you like it or not.)

*
a simple NO to the nonsense with coaching only RS home games. if you cant do the travelling anymore, you are too old for the NBA. there is no chance i pay you that much money sitting at home while the team is on an 8 game road trip. thats where teams bond, where you see how they work away from home. Phil himself said so in one of the championship DVDs.

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10-12 Mio dollars is a lot of money. plus he wanted Shaw and/or most of his old aasistants back. paying them and paying MB and his assistants, is a boatload of money. needs to be considered.

back into myself:
for me those are big arguments against PJax, without talking baskteball systems and players. would i have hired D'Antoni? No way. I would not be in this situation because i would have hired Rick Adleman last year. ;) think about having Adleman, Howard and CP3? could have been.

Jim Buss and Mitch have to deal with the reality they created by hiring MB and now Dantoni. i think they made the wrong choice both times, but thats their faults and not Dantonis, so i will keep my feelings against him in me and watch what he can do with this roster.[/QUOTE]
This is a very fair post and I agree with all points. This was not only a basketball decision but also a business decision.
*from my android*