Romney says Obama won by showering black, Latino & young voters with big gifts.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]One things that clear is that Obama's terrible immigration law was a political move to get more votes....and it worked, sadly. Obama never should have been a serious presidential candidate in the first place 4 years ago, the guy did not have the credentials. Now, 4 years later, it's complete domestic and foreign failure, yet the majority want 4 more years like the last? Amazingly, the TERRIBLE economy wasn't as big of an issue as it should have been for voters. 4 years later, it's still all blame Bush, absolutely no accountability. And of course, with the Benghazi situation, Obama dodges the criticism he rightfully deserved because for some reason, the media still likes him. The guy is in WAY over his head, and a product of hype, but at least he's a good magician. Distracts people with his mouth so they're not looking at what he's doing with his hands.[/QUOTE]
Not you too... jesus christ. You're usually pretty smart in basketball threads.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]One things that clear is that Obama's terrible immigration law was a political move to get more votes....and it worked, sadly. Obama never should have been a serious presidential candidate in the first place 4 years ago, the guy did not have the credentials. Now, 4 years later, it's complete domestic and foreign failure, yet the majority want 4 more years like the last? Amazingly, the TERRIBLE economy wasn't as big of an issue as it should have been for voters. 4 years later, it's still all blame Bush, absolutely no accountability. And of course, with the Benghazi situation, Obama dodges the criticism he rightfully deserved because for some reason, the media still likes him. The guy is in WAY over his head, and a product of hype, but at least he's a good magician. Distracts people with his mouth so they're not looking at what he's doing with his hands.[/QUOTE]


and with all that baggage, he still was a better choice than Romney/Ryan or Palin/McCain by a mile..


Says more about the current GOP than anything else.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]and with all that baggage, he still was a better choice than Romney/Ryan or Palin/McCain by a mile..


Says more about the current GOP than anything else.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we've had many good presidential candidates for years, and I do think it's a sad commentary. With that being said, I did like Romney and McCain and voted for both(didn't like either Ryan or Palin, though), then again, I think Joe Biden is terrible himself.

The rich have been getting gifts for many years......George Bush tax breaks.

And the Military Industrial Complex gifts of made up wars........to the tune of trillions.

And the $700 billion bailout money..........

And subsidies for the Oil Companies........


But these poor people want "free healthcare". Moochers!!!!!

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]and with all that baggage, he still was a better choice than Romney/Ryan or Palin/McCain by a mile..


Says more about the current GOP than anything else.[/QUOTE]



Good point. The Republican's inability to put forth a worthy candidate is embarrassing.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I don't think we've had many good presidential candidates for years, and I do think it's a sad commentary. With that being said, I did like Romney and McCain and voted for both(didn't like either Ryan or Palin, though), then again, I think Joe Biden is terrible himself.[/QUOTE]
You are a great American, not a brainwashed left wing loon like the rest of the posters on ISH.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]and with all that baggage, he still was a better choice than Romney/Ryan or Palin/McCain by a mile..


Says more about the current GOP than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Not true. The reason Obama won is because he promised a lot more things than Romney did just like he stated. Romney's pitch was I'll bring back the America where if you work hard and follow the rules you will be a success story. You won't need government from craddle to grave to be a success. Obama was out there preaching how it's so unfair that the rich don't pay more, we need their money for you to be a success. Free college for everyone, free healthcare, free contraception..

Americans chose free stuff over hard work. It's that simple.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]One things that clear is that Obama's terrible immigration law was a political move to get more votes....and it worked, sadly. Obama never should have been a serious presidential candidate in the first place 4 years ago, the guy did not have the credentials. Now, 4 years later, it's complete domestic and foreign failure, yet the majority want 4 more years like the last? Amazingly, the TERRIBLE economy wasn't as big of an issue as it should have been for voters. 4 years later, it's still all blame Bush, absolutely no accountability. And of course, with the Benghazi situation, Obama dodges the criticism he rightfully deserved because for some reason, the media still likes him. The guy is in WAY over his head, and a product of hype, but at least he's a good magician. Distracts people with his mouth so they're not looking at what he's doing with his hands.[/QUOTE]

you listen to Rush Limbaugh don't you? i swear almost everything you said is straight out of a right wing talking point spinners mouth :rolleyes:

even tho its beating a dead horse you do know where our economy was at when Obama took office? on the verge of a depression, thats where...you know where our economy has been headed recently? Obama graduated from Harvard, spent years in the Senate, what exactly doesn't qualify him to be President? especially when he ran a campaign better than his opponents as well as carried himself much better than Bush or really any Republican running for Prez in recent memory ever has...and i thought Hillary was the Republican target for Bengzhai? she's stepping down you know....

its just laughable to me how so many of you morons keep trying to call the rest of us sheep or idiots :facepalm

[QUOTE=General]Not true. The reason Obama won is because he promised a lot more things than Romney did just like he stated. Romney's pitch was I'll bring back the America where if you work hard and follow the rules you will be a success story. [/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Another idiot who thinks Romney hit a triple when in reality he was born on third base.

Romney didn't do an honest day's work in his life.

Saw this on another site, it is appropriate:

"So is Romney's very low tax rate (compared with mine), for example, not a gift from the government? Are all the net federal transfers of wealth to red states not also, by that logic, a gift? What would Romney call getting offered a job with zero risk (Bain Capital), and a promise that if the investments did not work out, he could go back to his old job with no penalty, and retroactively get all his previous salary paid? Was that a gift as well? Or was that thriving, striving, Deseret?"

[QUOTE=stallionaire]We can only pray...

Gotta control senate and congress. Hopefully we can get all those conservatives out of the supreme court as well.

Forward.[/QUOTE]
This is one reason why the GOP will remain an important political force over the next decade. You should see what they did in tx to break up the dem-leaning urban centers into small parts of large GOP-leaning rural areas. Very unethical IMO
[URL="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/republicans-gerrymandering-house-representatives-election-chart"]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/republicans-gerrymandering-house-representatives-election-chart[/URL]

[QUOTE=General]You are a great American, not a brainwashed left wing loon like the rest of the posters on ISH.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/11/509bedacdc6e5.jpeg[/IMG]

You know what they say, dumber people are much easier to brainwash.

[QUOTE=General]Not true. The reason Obama won is because he promised a lot more things than Romney did just like he stated. Romney's pitch was I'll bring back the America where if you work hard and follow the rules you will be a success story. You won't need government from craddle to grave to be a success. Obama was out there preaching how it's so unfair that the rich don't pay more, we need their money for you to be a success. Free college for everyone, free healthcare, free contraception..

Americans chose free stuff over hard work. It's that simple.[/QUOTE]


how many rich people do you think work 2 jobs in this country? how many poor people do you think do? what exactly is 'hard work' to you? sitting in a office overseeing workers or being out there in the snow, heat, and rain busting their ass?

No, Romney catered to the rich, and the rich spent a ton of money to influence a ton of people towards their agendas some of who aren't rich of which are the biggest sheep to vote for their propaganda'd causes. you can crow about 'American values' or 'built on Capitalism' all you want, thats just propaganda he fed you to vote for those who are rich agendas. its funny when people use ideals like that acting like political candidates really mean it when the bottom line to most of them is they don't want to pay higher taxes period. they could care less on what America was built on idealogicially.

and the most laughable and insulting guilt trip thats consistently played by Republicans is this idea that if the rich have to pay more taxes we're somehow killing the incentive to earn and become successful in this country :facepalm: i mean think about that, just because rich people will be taxed higher do you really think everyone is going to want to be poor now? are you sitting there saying right now "i'd better go apply for a job at McDonalds since if i get a college degree and a high paying job i'll be taxed higher"? that incentive is there regardless.

[QUOTE=Droid101][IMG]http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/11/509bedacdc6e5.jpeg[/IMG]

You know what they say, dumber people are much easier to brainwash.[/QUOTE]


Because all people who don't have a college degree are stupid. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=General]Not true. The reason Obama won is because he promised a lot more things than Romney did just like he stated. Romney's pitch was I'll bring back the America where if you work hard and follow the rules you will be a success story. You won't need government from craddle to grave to be a success. Obama was out there preaching how it's so unfair that the rich don't pay more, we need their money for you to be a success. Free college for everyone, free healthcare, free contraception..

Americans chose free stuff over hard work. It's that simple.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm Romney's pitch was that he was going lower tax rates for his buddies..

He made a cynical bet against the intelligence of the public and he lost that bet.

He thought he appeal to nutbag rightwing in primary and then "etch a sketch" his way to the middle in the general, but his lies were too many and vision was too weakly defined

Funny how Romney can be basically running for president since 2007 and yet nobody knows what he really stands for in 2012...still

Republicans are their own worst enemies...

you think Im wrong?

look at this
[url]http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/14/politics/gop-chairman-charlie-webster-to-investigate-black-people-voting-as-potential-fraud/?ref=lates[/url]

^this is what Im talking about... "Dozens, DOZENS"

Republicans just now realized that they cant get their greedy little hands on the nation's levers of power while disrespecting wide swaths of the public anymore.

I dont believe GOP will learn its lesson, but its been alot of fun watching their world crumble.

Couldnt have happened to a better group of people :cheers:

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Because all people who don't have a college degree are stupid. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
So, are you saying that people from West Virginia (aka Appalachian Americans) are smarter on average than those from Massachusetts? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

But since I know you're smarter than that, I'll just link a study (it's not fit into one neat little picture so it's not as "reader friendly"). Guess what? Red states have lower average IQ's.

[url]http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/red-blue-states-summary.htm[/url]

Sorry, it is what it is. Republican voters are dumber than Democratic voters, period.

Known RINO Bobby Jindal doesn't seem to agree with you idiots (or Romney):

[quote]“No, I think that’s absolutely wrong,” he said at a press conference that opened the RGA’s post-election meeting here. “Two points on that: One, we have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote.
“And, secondly, we need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children an opportunity to be able to get a great education. … So, I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think that’s absolutely wrong.”


“I don’t think that represents where we are as a party and where we’re going as a party,” he said. “That has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election: If we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.”

[/quote]
[url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83892.html?hp=r2[/url]

[QUOTE=stallionaire]We can only pray...

Gotta control senate and congress. Hopefully we can get all those conservatives out of the supreme court as well.

Forward.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a one-party state to me. No thanks.

Neither one of these parties should control all branches of the government. It would be nothing but bad for us.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]you listen to Rush Limbaugh don't you? i swear almost everything you said is straight out of a right wing talking point spinners mouth :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

Actually, no, I think Rush Limbaugh is an as[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE]hole and a hypocrite. I could care less what he has to say.

[QUOTE]even tho its beating a dead horse you do know where our economy was at when Obama took office? on the verge of a depression, thats where...you know where our economy has been headed recently? Obama graduated from Harvard, spent years in the Senate, what exactly doesn't qualify him to be President? especially when he ran a campaign better than his opponents as well as carried himself much better than Bush or really any Republican running for Prez in recent memory ever has...and i thought Hillary was the Republican target for Bengzhai? she's stepping down you know....[/QUOTE]

Check the unemployment % when Obama took office, and look now, plus, consider that as bad as it is, it's deceptively low considering how many gave up looking for jobs this summer because of how bad the economy had been for 4 years.

Obama was a US senator from '05-'08, and a good part of that was spent campaigning. That's just ridiculous as far as I'm concerned. He simply didn't have the track record then, and 4 years later, well, he does, but I can't see anyway to call it a good track record.

Obama's handling of Benghazi was disgraceful, both his administration's non-action in private, and his embarrassing public response. Oh, but wait....it was a youtube video. :facepalm

[QUOTE]its just laughable to me how so many of you morons keep trying to call the rest of us sheep or idiots :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I never insulted anyone because their opinion is different than mine, but if you look, your now the second person to insult me for my opinion.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]
Check the unemployment % when Obama took office, and look now, plus, consider that as bad as it is, it's deceptively low considering how many gave up looking for jobs this summer because of how bad the economy had been for 4 years.
[/QUOTE]
Oh, this lie again?

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
01/20/2001: 4.2%
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
01/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
01/01/2010: 9.9%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 21.21% decrease



GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
[IMG]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/chart.png?s=gdp+cqoq&d1=20080701&d2=20120731[/IMG]

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 70.88%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 80.81%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 116.01%


US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 107.48%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 115.20%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 145.30%


[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/8070918361_885df4cccc_b.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Actually, no, I think Rush Limbaugh is an as[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE]hole and a hypocrite. I could care less what he has to say.



Check the unemployment % when Obama took office, and look now, plus, consider that as bad as it is, it's deceptively low considering how many gave up looking for jobs this summer because of how bad the economy had been for 4 years.

Obama was a US senator from '05-'08, and a good part of that was spent campaigning. That's just ridiculous as far as I'm concerned. He simply didn't have the track record then, and 4 years later, well, he does, but I can't see anyway to call it a good track record.

Obama's handling of Benghazi was disgraceful, both his administration's non-action in private, and his embarrassing public response. Oh, but wait....it was a youtube video. :facepalm



I never insulted anyone because their opinion is different than mine, but if you look, your now the second person to insult me for my opinion.[/QUOTE]
well, first of all, the number of people who are counted in the labor force has been going up fairly significantly during the fall.

As far as the attack on the embassy, how many embassies were attacked under bush? How many americans died during those attacks? As usual, its only important when it is the people you dont agree with. SMFH.


Besides, its hard to argue that obama has done nothing (hes done quite a bit if you bother looking into it), when the GOP controlled house has basically ceded any responsibility for the governance of this country.

[QUOTE=B-Low]So waitwaitwait...you mean Obama won the election by promising people things that would help them????

That cheating, scheming rat bastard...[/QUOTE]

He doesn't "care" about them. He cares about the votes. He absolutely bought the latino vote with his immigration executive order (what, he doesn't do anything until a few months before the election? There's the guy who supports latinos....).

[QUOTE=boozehound]As far as the attack on the embassy, how many embassies were attacked under bush? How many americans died during those attacks? As usual, its only important when it is the people you dont agree with. SMFH.
[/QUOTE]
This times a million.

[IMG]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/JSO2897/BenGazi.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Math2]He doesn't "care" about them. He cares about the votes. He absolutely bought the latino vote with his immigration executive order (what, he doesn't do anything until a few months before the election? There's the guy who supports latinos....).[/QUOTE]


He obviously "cares" more than Mitt Romney and the GOP... They were so dumb they spent that period of time bashing latinos and pushing them into Obama's camp

[QUOTE=GreatGreg]It's a new age, and unless the GOP gets with the times, they are one and done. Adapt or get adapted, there is no in between and there is no way to succeed without doing so.[/QUOTE]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."


This is the new age. Dependence.

[QUOTE=Math2]"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."


This is the new age. Dependence.[/QUOTE]
Lets ask the guy who literally wrote the book on Capitalism what HE thinks about progressive taxes:


"The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."

and

"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion"

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/AdamSmith.jpg/402px-AdamSmith.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Check the unemployment % when Obama took office, and look now, plus, consider that as bad as it is, it's deceptively low considering how many gave up looking for jobs this summer because of how bad the economy had been for 4 years.[/QUOTE]

The BLS has a stat that tracks that. It's the u6 unemployment number and it tells the same story as the general u3 figure: Obama took office at the very height of job losses, job losses rose for another year and then have slowly tapered down to about where they were when he took office, but not where they were when the recession began
[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2dsoin4.png[/IMG]

To me people who hold this against Obama simply don't understand the nature and magnitude of the 2007-2009 crisis. No one on ISH has lived through a crisis like this, not even Jlauber. (I think a very valid criticism of Obama is he didn't undertstand this and communicate this.)

So ShaqAttack, please tell me what would have been different under a different president? What would another president have been able to do to affect the demand side of the economy after a massive housing & credit bubble have popped?

B-Low ended this thread. Regardless of your thoughts on Obama's plans, you don't get people's votes just by asking nicely, you get them by promising them something in return. This isn't even newsworthy.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Oh, this lie again?

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
01/20/2001: 4.2%
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 0.00% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
01/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
01/01/2010: 9.9%
Currently: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 21.21% decrease



GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
[IMG]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/chart.png?s=gdp+cqoq&d1=20080701&d2=20120731[/IMG]

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 70.88%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 80.81%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 116.01%


US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 107.48%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 115.20%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 145.30%


[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/8070918361_885df4cccc_b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Beyond all your smoke and mirrors, it's at 7.8% just as it was when he took office, that's terrible. And again, it's deceptively low. Just go out in the real world and ask people how the economy is.

[QUOTE=boozehound]well, first of all, the number of people who are counted in the labor force has been going up fairly significantly during the fall.

As far as the attack on the embassy, how many embassies were attacked under bush? How many americans died during those attacks? As usual, its only important when it is the people you dont agree with. SMFH.


Besides, its hard to argue that obama has done nothing (hes done quite a bit if you bother looking into it), when the GOP controlled house has basically ceded any responsibility for the governance of this country.[/QUOTE]

Terrorist attacks will happen, you can't prevent them all, but Obama's response was disgraceful. Sickening, actually. That reassured to me that I don't want this man leading the country.

By the way, for all of the criticism Bush takes, when it got really bad, it was his last 2 years when Democrats controlled the Senate and the House, and he couldn't really do anything himself, yet he gets all the blame, but when it's Obama, he gets a pass. I'm not saying I liked Bush, I could list many things I disagreed with him about, but the double standard is hilarious.

[quote]
Beyond all your smoke and mirrors, it's at 7.8% just as it was when he took office, that's terrible. And again, it's deceptively low. Just go out in the real world and ask people how the economy is.[/quote]

:facepalm

We're not losing 780,000 jobs a month like we were in early 09.. You forgot to mention that

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]


Terrorist attacks will happen, you can't prevent them all, but Obama's response was disgraceful. Sickening, actually. That reassured to me that I don't want this man leading the country.

By the way, for all of the criticism Bush takes, when it got really bad, it was his last 2 years when Democrats controlled the Senate and the House, and he couldn't really do anything himself, yet he gets all the blame, but when it's Obama, he gets a pass. I'm not saying I liked Bush, I could list many things I disagreed with him about, but the double standard is hilarious.[/QUOTE]

there is no double standard...


you sound like you think Obama started 2 wars of his own and blew a surplus also....


I think people rightly understand who put us in this terrible position

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Beyond all your smoke and mirrors, it's at 7.8% just as it was when he took office, that's terrible. And again, it's deceptively low. Just go out in the real world and ask people how the economy is.
[/QUOTE]
The stock market is at an all time high.

[QUOTE=Droid101]The stock market is at an all time high.[/QUOTE]

No it's not.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]No it's not.[/QUOTE]
You're being deliberately obtuse. It was just a short time ago and the trajectory is still positive.

I'm disappointed that I have to re-post what I just posted three posts up:

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 70.88%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 80.81%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 116.01%


US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 10/08/2012: 13,583.65
Rate of Return: 107.48%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 10/08/2012: 1,455.88
Rate of Return: 115.20%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 10/08/2012: 3,112.35
Rate of Return: 145.30%

From another site:

There is no way to fairly tax people because there is no way to clearly define what "fair" is.
Is it fair to ask everyone to contribute the exact same amount? Is it fair to ask everyone to contribute the exact same percentage? Is it fairer to tax based on income or spending? Is it fair to ask single people to pay taxes for schools? Is it fair to tax Capital Gains? Is it fair to tax companies? Is it fair to tax Churches? Is it fair to tax Non-Profit Organizations?
This debate is a waste. We will never come to a consensus. There will ALWAYS be some people who are treated unfairly by taxing. So rather than sit here and waste our time trying to determine what is truly fair, why don't we just try to come up with a tax policy that shifts the burden away from those who are struggling to get by and onto those who will not have to change their lifestyle?

As a Hispanic, I find it insulting that Romney thinks I want free stuff. Fvck you, I'm not asking for handouts, I run my own small enterprise. All I'm asking is for the rich to kick in like the rest of us and for the GOP to stop using minorities as the boogeyman to gin up your ignorant racist base.

As long as the GOP continues this path, I will never ever vote for them...and I will make sure my friends and family do the same.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]He obviously "cares" more than Mitt Romney and the GOP... They were so dumb they spent that period of time bashing latinos and pushing them into Obama's camp[/QUOTE]

Bashing latinos? How so?

[QUOTE=Droid101]From another site:

There is no way to fairly tax people because there is no way to clearly define what "fair" is.
Is it fair to ask everyone to contribute the exact same amount? Is it fair to ask everyone to contribute the exact same percentage? Is it fairer to tax based on income or spending? Is it fair to ask single people to pay taxes for schools? Is it fair to tax Capital Gains? Is it fair to tax companies? Is it fair to tax Churches? Is it fair to tax Non-Profit Organizations?
This debate is a waste. We will never come to a consensus. There will ALWAYS be some people who are treated unfairly by taxing. So rather than sit here and waste our time trying to determine what is truly fair, why don't we just try to come up with a tax policy that shifts the burden away from those who are struggling to get by and onto those who will not have to change their lifestyle?[/QUOTE]


Same percentage. Why is that not fair, and how can anyone say that it's not?

[QUOTE=TheMan]As a Hispanic, I find it insulting that Romney thinks I want free stuff. Fvck you, I'm not asking for handouts, I run my own small enterprise. All I'm asking is for the rich to kick in like the rest of us and for the GOP to stop using minorities as the boogeyman to gin up your ignorant racist base.

As long as the GOP continues this path, I will never ever vote for them...and I will make sure my friends and family do the same.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not that you specifically want free stuff, but that your race is unfairly singled out for benefits by the liberals. It's how Obama won the election: free stuff to minorities

[QUOTE=Math2]Same percentage. Why is that not fair, and how can anyone say that it's not?[/QUOTE]
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Why not same amount then? Everyone has to give $5000 per year. That's the only fair way.

[QUOTE=Math2]Bashing latinos? How so?[/QUOTE]
I don't know if Rasheed is Hispanic, I am though so I'll answer your question.

I was born in Chicago, my parents were immigrants from Mexico. My grandmother was a Texan, actually her lineage is from the original Tejanos, those that became US citizens because the US border crossed them due to the bogus landgrab called the Mexican/American War (probably there before any Anglo too), so we were never in the country illegally but living in a largely latino area, I've come to know many illegal immigrants from many parts of Latin America and they are hard working honest people. Of course there are some bad apples but what demographic doesn't have any?

People come from their homelands to the US to make a better life for their families, they take jobs most Americans don't want, they pay into Social Security without ever expecting to see the benefits, and contrary to popular right wing belief, they don't ask for welfare. You need to show documentation to collect welfare and believe me, illegal immigrants stay clear of government offices for fear of being deported.

The GOP always try to blame illegal immigrants for the country's woes, "They are taking your jobs!" "They are lazy SOBs on welfare!" "They don't assimilate and are turning our country into the third word shit hole they came from!":facepalm

This comes from the Right, Democrats don't talk like this, that's why Latinos reject the GOP. The Hispanics who are fortunate enough to be citizens of this great country can be sympathetic to those who aren't, we know they come from a tough situation and calling them criminals won't do the Republicans any good if you want our vote.