Wade falling apart at 30, while Kobe at 34 ....

The reason why Wade falling apart at age 30 is LeBron.. LeBron is a bad teammate, he doesnt motivate his team.. This thing will happen when you have the same work ethic as LeBron..

He doesnt help his team in practice or makes them work hard.. He just let them do what they want thats why Wade is already satisfied in what he has right now.. Dude is no longer interest to be the best and already content to be a 2nd fiddle..

Unlike Kobe who makes his teammate better, motivates them to work harder and makes them to have a goal as a player.. Just like what happened to Shaq before he joined Kobe, Shaq was a lazy ass bummed who doesnt care about winning and Kobe turn him into a monster inside the court.. After Shaq left the Lakers, he return back to his former self with no motivation and goal as basketball player..

This is what a leader like Kobe can do to a team, player or even coach.. He makes Shaq a top 10 player, makes Phil a GOAT coach and turn the Lakers into another dynasty.

[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]I say Kobe had some illegal procedures done on him.
Wade is dumb enough not to follow suit.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, wade doesn't use HGH...


[IMG]http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Since were on the topic Webber back in his Sactown days would be a great big man for kids to idolize also. High and low post, above average ball handling which allowed him to take slower big guys off the dribble, the court vision etc[/QUOTE]

I agree. KG and the Gasol brothers come to mind too.

Wish there was a video on fundamental post move drills by Kevin McHale, though.

In order to do that youd have to teleport Magic fresh outta Michigan state onto this Lakers team can you imagine guys like Artest trying to keep up with him on the break ahaha? Kobe will never have the post up game and the freakish length/ size/accuracy advantage(skyhook come on now) Kareem was blessed with. It was automatic those last few years even though he could barely get his ass up the court. Anyway getting off topic. Kobe is top 10 of all time while D Wade maybe lucky he scratches top 30 in my humble opinion... For a sg longevity Kobe could break record

Be's longevity forces me to grudgingly respect him.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Be's longevity forces me to grudgingly respect him.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same way. For the longest time I felt as though he was overrated - the casual nba fan thinks kobe=jordan - but after this long it's obvious that the man wants to be the goat and is working damn hard to be the best. When it comes to sports, heart is one of those things that can never be overrated so kobe gets mad props for that.

[QUOTE=red1]I feel the same way. For the longest time I felt as though he was overrated - the casual nba fan thinks kobe=jordan - but after this long it's obvious that the man wants to be the goat and is working damn hard to be the best. When it comes to sports, heart is one of those things that can never be overrated so kobe gets mad props for that.[/QUOTE]
I hate when Be forces me to respect him. Damn his greatness! :mad:

Every year people talk sh*t about Wade's. The talk about his decline then he drops 40 in a playoff game. This guy doesn't give a sh*t about the regular season. Yes he's banged up but he's still the man when it matters.

Bledsoe stuffing Wade on that break away dunk has got to be the play of the night in my book...

[QUOTE=red1]hey kenny I hope you know that lebron is honestly better than kobe[/QUOTE]


hes barely better than a 17th year guy whos best peak was half a decade ago


and i do mean barely better. because its actually debatable as of this current moment as to whos better between kobe bryant and lebron james. kobes playing like the best player in the nba. only reason hes not legitly is because the lakers coaching and bench issues costing them wins

so the fact that lebron is only slightly still ahead of kobe at this stage is actually funny.

he should be miles ahead.

when lebrons in his 17th year he'l be averaging 16/5/2 and be retired by seasons end

LeBron is ten miles ahead of Kobe stop being blind Kenny. Defense is part of the game, and Kobe can't touch LeBron in rebounding or passing either.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Every year people talk sh*t about Wade's. The talk about his decline then he drops 40 in a playoff game. This guy doesn't give a sh*t about the regular season. Yes he's banged up but he's still the man when it matters.[/QUOTE]

I think it's funny that when people compare Kobe to Wade, Kobe Stans basically say that Wade is Garbage and washed up. But when they talk about Lebron on the Heat, Wade is a "top 3 player" and LBJ just has so much help it's impossible for him not to win.
The lengths they'll go to to put Kobe on a pedestal is pathetic.

With that said, Kobe's longevity is amazing and honestly he is better than Wade right now.

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron is ten miles ahead of Kobe stop being blind Kenny. Defense is part of the game, and Kobe can't touch LeBron in rebounding or passing either.[/QUOTE]


kobes 2nd team all defense. 1st team last year... he still plays great on ball defense when it matters most

and lebron isnt even a great on ball defender. he plays passing lanes and gets blocks on chase downs with never a goal tending call or foul call ( remember the jason richardson massacre ? )

as for rebounding.. lebrons 6-9, 260 pounds and jumps higher than anyone. he should be a better rebounder.

we're not comparring jordan to kobe. its not guard vs guard. lebrons a PF with the strength of a center...its like using shaqs rebounding numbers over kobe.. its not the same thing. for kobes height hes as skilled a rebounder as lebron.. and it shows. because at 6-5 and 205 kobe has been grabbing 5-6 rebounds every season. which is good. while lebron averaging 6-7 for most of his career is kind of lame. he should have a career average of 9-10

and passing. kobes ran the triangle most of his career. and when he wasnt he still never ran an offensive system like the one theyre about to with d'antoni. or like the one lebron has always run. which is a ball dominant 1 pass play maker kick out assist padder


kobes always been more of an initial double team drawer and usually all of gasols assists are acutally kobes. but hockey assists dont count in basketball

when you factor in kobes been the #1 play maker for 5 world championships. i would say thats worth more as a set up guy than any of lebrons 1-2 more apg seasons playing his flawed stat padding bs



in the end i look at pure tallent. and kobe has more in his pinky than lebron has in his entire body

if lebron was 6-5, 205 pounds with limited athleticism. no physical advantage. he wouldnt even be in the nba.

kobe with that body averages 27/5/5


kobes better IMO... still is. not as productive. but better as a fundimentally sound, tallented basketball player

[QUOTE=RRR3]I hate when Be forces me to respect him. Damn his greatness! :mad:[/QUOTE]


Used to hate be's stlye of play a lot (too much MJ milk for my liking), but you've got to respect the man's focus, his hunger and he's always motivated. Dude is a madman on court.

p.s.

LeBron is a punk! As talented as he is, I friggin hate his guts :lol :lol :lol

[QUOTE=scandisk_]Used to hate be's stlye of play a lot (too much MJ milk for my liking), but you've got to respect the man's focus, his hunger and he's always motivated. Dude is a madman on court.

p.s.

LeBron is a punk! As talented as he is, I friggin hate his guts :lol :lol :lol[/QUOTE]
I don't care :confusedshrug:




@Kenny,
I'm not even going to bother with that delusional rambling tirade you passed off as a post.

[QUOTE=RRR3]I don't care :confusedshrug:




[B]@Kenny,
I'm not even going to bother with that delusional rambling tirade you passed off as a post[/B].[/QUOTE]


i don't expect you to be able to. thats why i wrote it

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]i don't expect you to be able to. thats why i wrote it[/QUOTE]
You're the only person insane enough to argue LeBron vs. Kobe at this point. Think about that for a second.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]hes barely better than a 17th year guy whos best peak was half a decade ago


and i do mean barely better. because its actually debatable as of this current moment as to whos better between kobe bryant and lebron james. kobes playing like the best player in the nba. only reason hes not legitly is because the lakers coaching and bench issues costing them wins

so the fact that lebron is only slightly still ahead of kobe at this stage is actually funny.

he should be miles ahead.

when lebrons in his 17th year he'l be averaging 16/5/2 and be retired by seasons end[/QUOTE]
You are the only person who thinks there is even a debate between who is better now. I don't think the gap is slight at all. You plug lbj into last years lakers and they win the championship, it's that simple.

Yeah it's a miracle that Kobe is ballin like this in his 17th season. Yes kobe is extremely skilled, yes kobe will play longer and most likely have a longer prime but none of that means anything when you are trying to see who the best player is.

The facts are that lbj is the shaq of perimiter players, his ability to get to the rim and finish is elite and the fact that he has the skill to handle the ball 24/7 like a pointguard gives him far more opportunities to be dominant and leave an imprint on the game. Last year he shot a ridiculously low percentage on jumpshots in the finals but he was still clearly the best player in the series. Kobe is not a one-trick pony but he just doesn't have the same physical advantage that jordan and lebron have over their competition

[QUOTE=RRR3]You're the only person insane enough to argue LeBron vs. Kobe at this point. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE]

ok

27/5/5 on 55% fg's, 45% threes, 92% ft's with lock down defense

*for a 6-5, 205 pound shooting guard

vs

23/10/6 on 55% fg's, 52% threes, 65% ft's with good blocking/ steals

*for a 6-9, 260 pound power forward


considering the rebounds are expected to be higher and thus, not as impressive. kobe comes out on top

and i also give kobe a boost because of having to overcome disadvantages physically


kobes better right now. obviously not last year. but right now he is

Kobe couldn't lock down a chair dafuq are you talking about :lol Or did you miss Danny Green hitting a game winner in his face?

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]

[B]kobes better right now. obviously not last year. but right now he is[/B][/QUOTE]
not true at all bro

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe couldn't lock down a chair dafuq are you talking about :lol Or did you miss Danny Green hitting a game winner in his face?[/QUOTE]

that was a tough shot. running off a screen. and kobe had a hand up

its not like you can block a three point shooter. especially one who shoots like 50% threes right now

[QUOTE=red1]not true at all bro[/QUOTE]


well hes playing better. so he IS better... as of right now

i don't really know how else to judge a player other than how they play

:confusedshrug:

kobes playing at a gear he hasnt been at since the 2010 playoffs

RRR is turning into a mega troll

[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]RRR is turning into a mega troll[/QUOTE]
For saying LeBron is better than Kobe? Are you ****ing kidding me? How long are you gonna stay pissy about me not liking Carmelo?

[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]RRR is turning into a mega troll[/QUOTE]


a) its kobe bryant

b) hes averaging 27/5/5 on epic percentages

c) its being done by a 17th year guy who should be retired mileage wise


its not exactly some trolling. theres allot of truth to what i'm saying

its not like i'm saying kyle lowry > lebron james

kobe bryant is the 6th or 7th best player in NBA HISTORY. and hes playing like hes 28 years old instead of 34

[QUOTE=RRR3]For saying LeBron is better than Kobe? Are you ****ing kidding me? How long are you gonna stay pissy about me not liking Carmelo?[/QUOTE]

Goto sleep weirdo with your 12,000 posts.

If LeBron had Kobes skills hed be the greatest athlete in any sport throughout history.

Too bad LeShortcut doesnt have the savvy and basketball iq of Lord Mamba

[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Goto sleep weirdo with your 12,000 posts.

If LeBron had Kobes skills hed be the greatest athlete in any sport throughout history.

Too bad LeShortcut doesnt have the savvy and basketball iq of Lord Mamba[/QUOTE]
LeBron has a higher basketball IQ than Kobe.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]well hes playing better. so he IS better... as of right now

i don't really know how else to judge a player other than how they play

:confusedshrug:

kobes playing at a gear he hasnt been at since the 2010 playoffs[/QUOTE]
What does right now mean? If you mean to say that you think kobe will be the better player this year then I disagree, if you are saying that kobe has been better thus far this season then you can argue that for sure. He has been insanely efficient and the laker losses are not on him but lbj has been beasting like usual. These are highlights from just this past week.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTOafGtYRY&feature=youtube_gdata"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTOafGtYRY&feature=youtube_gdata[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLuIalCk5g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLuIalCk5g[/URL]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]a) its kobe bryant

b) hes averaging 27/5/5 on epic percentages

c) its being done by a 17th year guy who should be retired mileage wise


its not exactly some trolling. theres allot of truth to what i'm saying

its not like i'm saying kyle lowry > lebron james

kobe bryant is the 6th or 7th best player in NBA HISTORY. and hes playing like hes 28 years old instead of 34[/QUOTE]

Huh? I agree that Kobe is more skilled than lbj... I said the poster RRR is a troll not you

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron has a higher basketball IQ than Kobe.[/QUOTE]


if he did he would have 5 rings by now


2007 = froze in finals sweep with air ball ft's

2009 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2010 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2011 = froze again in finals

2012 = finally got some sense, but in an asterisk shortend year with 3 bad series opponents out of 4 and many other stars injured


so realistically if lebron had as much basketball IQ or knew when to do what hes supposed to do. he should realistically have 4-5 titles by now


kobe in all of those situations wins more than 1 title

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]if he did he would have 5 rings by now


2007 = froze in finals sweep with air ball ft's

2009 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2010 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2011 = froze again in finals

2012 = finally got some sense, but in an asterisk shortend year with 3 bad series opponents out of 4 and many other stars injured


so realistically if lebron had as much basketball IQ or knew when to do what hes supposed to do. he should realistically have 4-5 titles by now[/QUOTE]
This post is comedic gold.

[QUOTE=RRR3]This post is comedic gold.[/QUOTE]


put kobe in those exact same moments. he wins more than 1 out of a legit possible 5 titles

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]put kobe in those exact same moments. he wins more than 1 out of a legit possible 5 titles[/QUOTE]
That's not even close to the truth, and LeBron would have probably won with Kobe's team last year, so hush.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]if he did he would have 5 rings by now


2007 = froze in finals sweep with air ball ft's

2009 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2010 = blown 60+ win #1 overall record season ( favored to win title )

2011 = froze again in finals

2012 = finally got some sense, but in an asterisk shortend year with 3 bad series opponents out of 4 and many other stars injured


so realistically if lebron had as much basketball IQ or knew when to do what hes supposed to do. he should realistically have 4-5 titles by now


kobe in all of those situations wins more than 1 title[/QUOTE]
:facepalm all that needs to be said

[QUOTE=RRR3]That's not even close to the truth, and LeBron would have probably won with Kobe's team last year, so hush.[/QUOTE]


lebron found a way to lose with miami in 2011. so its obvious nothing is a sure bet for lebron. especially with only 1 title in his career ( and it isnt even a great one. its tainted with the lockout )

if anyone can brag about championship luster. its kobe. who atleast has a winning record in the finals.


lebron hasnt proved anything yet. you gotta win 2 to make it legit anyway.


lebron isnt a miricle worker. he needed battier, miller, chalmers to all drop 20+ points for him in seperate finals games in order to barely fend off the noob thunder

and i'm sure if refs were high fiving mike brown things would have been different for us aswell

Kenny you seem like you're a decent dude IRL but you're way too delusional about the NBA, man.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lebron found a way to lose with miami in 2011. so its obvious nothing is a sure bet for lebron. especially with only 1 title in his career ( and it isnt even a great one. its tainted with the lockout )

if anyone can brag about championship luster. its kobe. who atleast has a winning record in the finals.


lebron hasnt proved anything yet. you gotta win 2 to make it legit anyway.


lebron isnt a miricle worker. he needed battier, miller, chalmers to all drop 20+ points for him in seperate finals games in order to barely fend off the noob thunder

and i'm sure if refs were high fiving mike brown things would have been different for us aswell[/QUOTE]
Your views are so distorted by your love for kobe that it's pointless arguing with you. Has it occured to you that kobe, like most other players, has never won shit without the most talented team relative to the rest of the league?

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kenny you seem like you're a decent dude IRL but you're way too delusional about the NBA, man.[/QUOTE]
seriously

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kenny you seem like you're a decent dude IRL but you're way too delusional about the NBA, man.[/QUOTE]


or maybe i'm right and kobe being ranked higher all time has something to do with the reason i think he would do better in those situations.

its like if a jordan fan said he would have won in all 7 of kobes finals situations.

who knows maybe he could. hes ranked 5-6 spots ahead of kobe all time for a reason right?

well kobes ranked nearly 10 spots ahead of lebron all time. 6-7 at the least. so maybe the same thought process could be used


better players usually do better in identicle situations right?

kobes been at that championship level for over a decade. hes always had that mentality

lebron just finally got it in his 9th year

so yea its not delusional to assume kobes would probably get more than 1 ring out of all those chances lebron had