P.E.D and Roids in the NBA?

Wolf - yeah a lot of the recovery stuff is "medicine" but most leagues banned substances lists include a lot of drugs regular people can take too (a cricketer got done taking diaretics to lose weight and I know the NBA bans these too even though their legal). They also do a lot more works outs and have to last 82 games which they didn't at 14 years old. The fatigued players could be players crashing and in an off cycle. Avoiding detection is all about cycling on and off the stuff at the right times and with the right professionals helping you do it.

Pacers - your comments are legit. Most posters here and just jumping on appearances when in actual fact I believe if all the drug takers were suddenly exposed people would be surprised who is on them and who isn't.

[QUOTE=ihoopallday]Don't these NBA players get tested for the olympics? I don't know how long the trace of steroids last, but wouldn't one of these players been caught by now playing in the olympics. And to the poster who said Usain Bolt is on drugs, I have a very hard time believing that. He probably gets the strictest tests out of anyone.[/QUOTE]

armstrong competed in the olympics. There's other people who've been done in their sports for drugs who also competed in the olympics. I'm no expert but it's my understanding if done correctly they can avoid detection at the right times. Not saying Usain is on anything though.

[QUOTE=outbreak]armstrong competed in the olympics. There's other people who've been done in their sports for drugs who also competed in the olympics. I'm no expert but it's my understanding if done correctly they can avoid detection at the right times. Not saying Usain is on anything though.[/QUOTE]

Great points. I guess I could do more research on PEDs to see how they really work. It would be a shame though for someone like Bolt to get caught later down the road.

[QUOTE=ihoopallday]Great points. I guess I could do more research on PEDs to see how they really work. It would be a shame though for someone like Bolt to get caught later down the road.[/QUOTE]
Fun Fact: Pretty much every previous record holder from the past 2-3 decades turned out to be on PED's.

Do you really believe that somebody who shatters world records in a never before seen manner is clean? Especially if he comes from a tiny country that is known for the pretty much none existent drug testing and the large number of top sprinters it coincidentally produces.

[QUOTE=Floppy]Fun Fact: Pretty much every previous record holder from the past 2-3 decades turned out to be on PED's.

Do you really believe that somebody who shatters world records in a never before seen manner is clean? Especially if he comes from a tiny country that is known for the pretty much none existent drug testing and the large number of top sprinters it coincidentally produces.[/QUOTE]

Records are inevitably going to be broken. If someone takes PEDs and participates in the Olympics since they continuing testing the athletes even after the Olympics. Also, it is not really coincidence that the top sprinters come from Jamaica since sprinting is as big there as basketball as to the U.S.

In Joe Rogan's podcast episode 277 he had Victor Conte who administered PED's to many athletes in the past and even did time for it. He pretty much thinks 50-80% of athletes in professional, physically demanding sports are on it. He also says there's a lot of ways getting around the test like timing your use, and taking stuff that isn't detected in the test which doesn't nearly test for everything.

I don't know either way, but at gunpoint I'd say Lebron, Wade, Kobe, MJ, Shaq have all used.

[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]You really think lebron goes to the gym every day ?
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I work out in my home gym every day I don't see how I could not be bigger than that ^ if I had the same genetics/height as him

where is he even close to being on roids there?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but he weighs like 270, think about that for a second.

Bet you couldn't be 270 and look like that.

-Smak

It's kobe

[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yeah, but he weighs like 270, think about that for a second.

Bet you couldn't be 270 and look like that.

-Smak[/QUOTE]
You really think he ways 270 pounds? He's closer to 250. And stop putting you're signature on the end of your post like if you've contributed knowledge in this forum. I also said I'd need the same genes as him to get such a stature.

Edit: He's actually under 250

Lebron went from KD skinny to what he is now in ONE year.

Nba is full of peds

Here is Lebron's bloated steroid gut. Notice his abs don't suck in but he's rocking a 6 pack gut.

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[QUOTE=Boogey]Lebron went from KD skinny to what he is now in ONE year.

Nba is full of peds[/QUOTE]
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lmao @ lebron being under 250 :biggums:

[QUOTE=unbreakable]lmao @ lebron being under 250 :biggums:[/QUOTE]
I just googled it too and that's what I get from the google result but yeah I find it more believable than him being 270 which is nearly impossible at the speed he runs in transition

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Lebron isn't close to 270.

Dwight is huge and he isn't even 270. Lebron is 245.

[QUOTE=Dictator]Lebron isn't close to 270.

Dwight is huge and he isn't even 270. Lebron is 245.[/QUOTE]

There's no way in hell Lebron is only 245!!!! This prick was 240 coming out of fvcking high school.

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]There's no way in hell Lebron is only 245!!!! This prick was 240 coming out of fvcking high school.[/QUOTE]
Ever thought those measurements might be off?

[QUOTE=BrickingStar]Ever thought those measurements might be off?[/QUOTE]

He was 240 in his final days of high school and the pre draft camp, I think the number is accurate.

Ever thought how some of these boxers are like 5'8 155 and they're twice as big as someone that doesn't play any sports and is the same height and weight? All of that build up of muscle tissue can make someone look much bigger than their weight actually says. I'm 6'1 175 and I have a cousin that is one inch shorter and the same weight, and he looks much bigger than I do (he wrestled for 4 years in high school). It IS possible to gain a lot of muscle mass naturally with the money they have and the advanced diets, workouts, and trainers they have access to. I wouldn't doubt it if these guys eat upwards of 7000 calories a day, and they likely consume twice the amount of water or more than an average person, which can also cause their muscles to look slightly bigger. I'd be incredibly ignorant to think no one is taking PED's, but to say 90% of professional athletes do is just insane and a theory, nothing more and nothing less.

People would be surprised how far you can get in natural bodybuilding with dedication.

Probably 95+% of NBA players are on PEDs.

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[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]You really think he ways 270 pounds? He's closer to 250. And stop putting you're signature on the end of your post like if you've contributed knowledge in this forum. I also said I'd need the same genes as him to get such a stature.

Edit: He's actually under 250[/QUOTE]

He was 245 at pre-draft camp in '03. It's widely accepted that he's been between 265-270 since the '08-'09 season. I've heard numerous reports that he's in that range, and I wouldn't buy anything less. You can't compare his build to others and guess his weight that way. People carry weight differently, it has a lot to do with bone density and how evenly proportioned that weight is as well as how lean you are. We have an official weight from '03 for Lebron, and there's no way he isn't 20 pounds heavier than he was then.

Lebron at 240-245....

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Lebron in 2009....

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Lebron in 2012....

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Compare the 240-245 Lebron to the Lebron from '09-'12, and you say he's still under 250? :facepalm

I'm not accusing Lebron of anything, in fact, he's hardly the first guy I'd suspect of PEDs. He's naturally bigger than most NBA players, but not what I'd call ripped or shredded. Just a freak athlete. I have no idea if he's using any kind of steroid or HGH, he may have, but I don't suspect him in particular. Regardless, Lebron at 245, or anything under 260 is a joke since 2008. It's simply false.

I suspect Karl Malone, Dwight, Wade post-injury, and Kobe in the 2 years Samurai Swoosh mentioned. But even if this was confirmed(and there's nothing linking any of them to it other than our gut feelings), it has nothing to do with how I judge any of them as players.

And yeah, you can't necessarily spot a steroid user by how they look, for the NBA we have Rashard Lewis as proof, and in baseball, look at Rafael Palmeiro and Manny Ramirez, neither had particularly impressive physiques, especially Manny, and both are truly confirmed steroid users, not just accused or suspected.

Karl Malone is the one I suspect the most. First, there's his build. MUCH lower body fat % than Lebron, and lower than just about any NBA player I've seen with that much size.

This makes you wonder.....

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Can you obtain Malone's physique naturally? Sure, he's not Arnold in his prime, or comparable to a body builder, but what adds to my suspicions is Malone's ridiculously longevity and durability. Who produces like Malone did at his age? And who pretty much doesn't get injured until they're over 40 years old and in their 19th season? Through his first 18 seasons, he missed a total of 10 games, and never more than 2 in a season before his final year with the Lakers when he had the knee injury. Of course, Malone arguably had the greatest work ethic in NBA history, so genetics, and unusual dedication could be solely responsible for his unmatched durability and longevity, but I'm not so sure.

The guys who put on 10-15 pounds of mostly muscle in an offseason(a few months) are suspicious. To put on 15 pounds of solid muscle is extremely difficult. That's the amount of weight Barry Bonds put on from the '98 offseason to '99 spring training.....

:oldlol:

This is nothing more than a witch hunt. If you're going to accuse people of taking steroids, etc, at least have some better evidence than some pictures of guys with muscles.

These days, with the whole MLB steroids scandal, anyone that's dominating a sport is considered to be doping.

Babe Ruth in this day and age would be said to be doping. Hank Aaron would be said to be doping. Michael Jordan would be said to be doping, etc.

Lebron is a workaholic. Dude is always in the gym and on the court working on his game. Hell, I know guys that are bigger than Lebron muscle wise and have taken zero PHDs.

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Hell, I know guys that are bigger than Lebron muscle wise and have taken zero PHDs.[/QUOTE]

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I'm sure PEDs are used in most all professional sports. Is Lebron on any? I can't say no, but I don't see any of the "telltale" signs such as enlarged cranium, back pimples, etc. Also, some PEDs, while they help you recover, can actually make you more prone to injury.

Lebron's weight gain is definitely normal. Remember, he entered the NBA when he was out of high school so he was still relatively young. I was 160 in high school and 3 years later I was 190-195 with relatively little change in diet or exercise. I wasn't fatter or necessarily more muscular (though probably the latter)...I was just...bigger. If you add in the nutritionists and trainers they have at their disposal, etc...it's not a big surprise that some of these younger players can easily add weight.

Lebron put on a lot of muscle from pre-draft to post-draft, so it's possible.

[QUOTE=Boogey]Lebron put on a lot of muscle from pre-draft to post-draft, so it's possible.[/QUOTE]

Well, he was only 18 when he was drafted, and it wasn't until his 4th or 5th year that he was 15 pounds heavier when he was 22-23, so that doesn't make me particularly suspicious. Lebron's build really isn't that unusual to me, I don't believe his body fat % is as low as what's commonly reported, and he's really just a guy who naturally carries a lot of weight, and probably filled out more when he stopped growing and started lifting weights.

You're right that it's possible, though. It's possible any of them are. Not many would surprise me except for a guy like Allen Iverson who hated even lifting weights. I'm pretty sure I remember him getting fined for not lifting weights at one point. And one year, the Sixers were unhappy that he showed up so light at less than 160, maybe 155. He's one guy who I'd be really surprised to find out was on any sort of PED.

my take on PEDs is that if it isn't addictive and doesn't have negative effects (uncontrollable rage, depression, etc.), it should be allowed. in ALL SPORTS.

that way, we'd get to see even more amazing athletes and more amazing feats. my guess is, when medical technology has advanced far enough that athletes have become basically cyborgs, this will all be a moot discussion.

[QUOTE=I<3NBA]my take on PEDs is that if it isn't addictive and doesn't have negative effects (uncontrollable rage, depression, etc.), it should be allowed. in ALL SPORTS.

that way, we'd get to see even more amazing athletes and more amazing feats. my guess is, when medical technology has advanced far enough that athletes have become basically cyborgs, this will all be a moot discussion.[/QUOTE]

And what about when they find out all the heart problems and crap it's causing? Nearly every drug out there, from illegal steroids to over the counter stuff, has chances at causing side effects in some people. Allowing these would force all players to take them to compete and would nullify any records held by players from an era that was clean. It's like in swimming when they started those full body suits that are now banned. Every record was being broken, didn't harm the athletes, but it's still wrong and unfair to players who came before

250-260.

I have no doubt that LeBron is 265-270. Hell, Wade came in at 230 at the beginning of last season.

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yeahhh Wade definitely used. Nice find man.

Look at his HGH jaw...he didnt have that when he was first drafted.