The Clippers should move Blake Griffin..

[QUOTE=Al Thornton]lmao people really don't watch basketball games. op is going out of his way to make the worst poster in ish history look intelligent. i've seen 98% of blake's nba career. 3rd year blake is significantly better than rookie blake. rookie blake put up really nice numbers because he was one of two players who could do anything on a terrible team. all of his points came through dunks off a fast break or pick n roll or just experimentation. his defense didn't existent at all for the past two seasons. jj hickson could kill him for 10 straight plays by just running a pick n roll because blake still didn't know how to defend it. rookie blake would not even attempt to block any shots or stop any guys around the hoop (mostly because he was afraid of getting in foul trouble but also because he didn't know how to really do it). 3rd year blake has a consistent jump shot, is almost always decisive in the post, can guard his man solidly and his team defense is pretty good now too. he's a much much better player. and we haven't really gotten a chance to see what he can do in late game situations yet because either clippers have blown out the team, or are down and cp3 is trying really hard to get them back in the game.[/QUOTE]

The day I rep Al Thornton has finally come after 2 years of negging him. Well done AT.

86: I'm glad your not the Clippers GM. I'd take Elgin back before you.

CP3 for westbrook get it done.

cp3 to lakers in few years

they lost a great chance by not trading for Howard...

I would have done that trade...but Griffin sells tickets....

they will be good regular season but I want to see Griffin's shot fall when the pressure is on

Blake for Pau Gasol. Griffin was born to be a laker

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]they lost a great chance by not trading for Howard...

I would have done that trade...but Griffin sells tickets....

they will be good regular season but I want to see Griffin's shot fall when the pressure is on[/QUOTE]

Sorry but would have been stupid to trade Griffin on a 6 year deal for a potential 1 year rental Dwight. If Dwight re ups for 5 years I'd do the trade.

Not that I think they should trade Blake....

.... but I think the Clippers should have put more consideration into a Blake/DeAndre for Dwight/Anderson trade.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Blake for Pau Gasol. Griffin was born to be a laker[/QUOTE]

Blake/Dwight possibly the worst FT-shooting frontcourt since the merger?

[QUOTE=BankShot]Not that I think they should trade Blake....

.... but I think the Clippers should have put more consideration into a Blake/DeAndre for Dwight/Anderson trade.[/QUOTE]

Again Griffin is now on a 6 year deal including this year. No guarantee Howard stays.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Again Griffin is now on a 6 year deal including this year. No guarantee Howard stays.[/QUOTE]
He would have made cp3 stay, now your stuck with griffins highlights but no impact

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Again Griffin is now on a 6 year deal including this year. No guarantee Howard stays.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

I didn't say they should have automatically dove into a Dwight-for-Blake trade... but I do think they were possibly a bit blinded by the Star of Griffin and didn't give the idea of Dwight as a Clipper a fair shake.

Yes [B]of course[/B] it would be a gamble without an extension, but at least for me it didn't seem like they explored that option as thoroughly as a team on the cusp would or should.

Clippers need a new coach, Del negro will never be trusted in my eyes.

Other than that, you have everything a team needs. Blake will get better as long as he doesnt become Amare injury prone.

I wouldn't mind the Clips making a package deal for the likes of Green/Butler (might have to let Bledose go) and a few others to get a above avg SF/good sized SG

[QUOTE=andremiller07]I wouldn't mind the Clips making a package deal for the likes of Green/Butler (might have to let Bledose go) and a few others to get a above avg SF/good sized SG[/QUOTE]

Clippers get a Ariza type SF. They can do that without giving up Bledsoe. Ariza played great with Paul.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Sorry but would have been stupid to trade Griffin on a 6 year deal for a potential 1 year rental Dwight. If Dwight re ups for 5 years I'd do the trade.[/QUOTE]

Howard wanted to play in major market...
LA - Check

Howard wanted to play with CP3 - Check

Howard wanted max - Check

why wont you trade for howard???

there was even a article by yahoo that CP3 & Howard had planned to play together...why not go for it

sorry but the Clippers are not going anywhere next 2 years...unless Griffin is a consistent 15-20jump shooter...and can be on the floor when the game is on the line...same for DJ

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Howard wanted to play in major market...
LA - Check

Howard wanted to play with CP3 - Check

Howard wanted max - Check

why wont you trade for howard???

there was even a article by yahoo that CP3 & Howard had planned to play together...why not go for it[/QUOTE]

That article and insight came way later. Besides Howard took small jabs at the Clippers so I wouldn't be in a hurry to take a chance on him either.

[quote]CP3 is trying to turn Blake into David West 2.0 and that's not his game.[/quote]
Then he should change his game.

Rajon Rondo turned the entire Celtics Big 3 into spot shooters. (This is an overly strong statement; but Rondo controlled the offense more than any of those 3 guys who were better than him for at least the first couple years.) That wasn't any of their games, but they won a championship. The Clippers' problem is not Chris Paul being such a great point guard that Blake Griffin can't play isolation spot-up ball all the time. Their problem is that Griffin isn't watching 10 hours of Karl Malone footage a week and adjusting his game accordingly. There's no reason he couldn't. Malone had the easiest job in the world: catch great pass from Stockton, and do one of 3 things.

Another problem of the Clippers is the staggering mediocrity of their wing players. No team with Jamal Crawford will ever be serious. Caron Butler and Chauncey Billups are the exact same player, and Billups is no 2, and Caron does nothing well, nothing poorly. Support wing players should be at least two of the following 3 things: slashers, defenders, spot-up shooters. Or, they have to be all-stars, or close to it. Middling guys without great role-player credentials never win titles in prominent roles. You never see the top teams seek out guys like that. The Spurs did once; remember how the Richard Jefferson experiment went? Type of guy who simply cannot be of any use to a great team.

Blake simply has to become a pick and pop, and pick and roll player. He has to change. He might have an easier time being a 25/12 guy if he's given control of the offense, but there is a 0% chance of the Clippers winning a title with him leading them. Paul on the other hand can lead a championship team.

[QUOTE=Clifton]
Another problem of the Clippers is the staggering mediocrity of their wing players. No team with Jamal Crawford will ever be serious. Caron Butler and Chauncey Billups are the exact same player, and Billups is no 2, and Caron does nothing well, nothing poorly. Support wing players should be at least two of the following 3 things: slashers, defenders, spot-up shooters. Or, they have to be all-stars, or close to it. Middling guys without great role-player credentials never win titles in prominent roles. You never see the top teams seek out guys like that. The Spurs did once; remember how the Richard Jefferson experiment went? Type of guy who simply cannot be of any use to a great team.
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the 2011 mavs had 3-4 of the guys you are talking about and won a championship (kidd, barea, terry, brewer). barea and terry were playing the exact role crawford and billups are in now and it worked great throughout almost all of the playoffs.

Blake's going no where.

If anything Blake griffin SHOULD change his game to be exactly like David West....have that automatic mid range jumper, good postgame, and add Blake's athleticism, and hes by far the best PF in the game, and it wouldnt be close.

This is why it was premature. Blake Griffin is on an absolutely dominant tear the last 4 or 5 and is playing like the best PF in the game easily during this stretch having huge games in 3 freaking quarters while resting the 4th. Yesterday he had 24 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and a block in only 28 minutes (didn't play the 4th like rest of starters).

Blake Griffin actually has been the Clippers best player and highest impact player on this winning streak, more so than CP3. I've been saying it since last year this team will really hit potential only if Blake becomes the undisputed go to scorer and the offense runs through the paint. Clippers are AVERAGING about 60 points in the paint during this win streak and Blake has been murdering.

Madsen post in this one :oldlol: .

Blake's December numbers starting to look far more Blake like and we still haven't seen the best this year. In December so far he's put up...

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 55+ from midrange.

Edit: oh forgot to mention this is in 30 minutes a game which is incredible.

This wasn't premature. This thread was stupid.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Madsen post in this one :oldlol: .

Blake's December numbers starting to look far more Blake like and we still haven't seen the best this year. In December so far he's put up...

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 55+ from midrange.

Edit: oh forgot to mention this is in 30 minutes a game which is incredible.[/QUOTE]


The whole premise of this thread is that while Blake Griffin is a good player but his Market Value is extremly high and more valuable than Blake Griffin is himself.

Grffins trade value is almost that of a Lebron James, or Kevin Durant. Yet the value he bring to a team is nowehere close to Lebron or Durant. Thats not a knock on Grffin. A lot of teams would be willing to over pay for BG and the Clippers would more than likely be able to bring in a lot of quality pieces.

That premise still holds true.

Also, CF86 i find it funny that when BG was struggling at the begining of the season you kept saying it was a "small sample size" yet when he has a good 5 game stretch he's all of a sudden the best PF in the game..

If you don't think the Clippers could trade BG and bring in a **** ton of value than your delusional.

The Clippers could easily pull the whool over a teams eyes and get more value than they would be giving up.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]The whole premise of this thread is that while Blake Griffin is a good player but his Market Value is extremly high and more valuable than Blake Griffin is himself.

Grffins trade value is almost that of a Lebron James, or Kevin Durant. Yet the value he bring to a team is nowehere close to Lebron or Durant. Thats not a knock on Grffin. A lot of teams would be willing to over pay for BG and the Clippers would more than likely be able to bring in a lot of quality pieces.

That premise still holds true.

Also, CF86 i find it funny that when BG was struggling at the begining of the season you kept saying it was a "small sample size" yet when he has a good 5 game stretch he's all of a sudden the best PF in the game..

If you don't think the Clippers could trade BG and bring in a **** ton of value than your delusional.

The Clippers could easily pull the whool over a teams eyes and get more value than they would be giving up.[/QUOTE]

They wouldn't get anyone with Blake's potential.

Negged.

:kobe:

[QUOTE=BEAST Griffin]They wouldn't get anyone with Blake's potential.

Negged.[/QUOTE]

Depends on what you consider his potential to be. Considering how unbiased of a poster you are when it concerns BG, ii'm sure you see his potential somewhere between GOAT and GOAT..so yeah maybe they couldn't get that back

however, if we're being realistic, what's his potential? People usually overrate potential when it concerns atheltic power forwards.

As of right now, BG has declined statistically every year since his rookie year, also, regarldess of his recent season or 2, whenever you have had to sit out an entire year due to a knee injury and your a player who relys heavily on your athleticism that's a concern the farther we go down the line.

BG will need to improve his skills, which he can do, but it's not gurnateed. Look at a guy like D Wade, 5-6 years ago people thought he had unlimited potential and only needed to add a jumper to reach that next level of greatness, adding a jumper was considered "easy" and was seen as an after thought b/c "of course" he'll improve on the weak parts of his game. But here we are in 2012, Wade still doesn't have a consistent outside jumper and is noticably declining due to the loss of some of his explosiveness.

I'm not saying BG will not improve on the weak parts of his game, but it should n't be considered a given that he will.

Also, Amare is a player that BG gets compared alot to, has BG even entered Prime Amare status yet? They both had the benefit of playing with the best pg in the league.

I'm just saying, when you look at it from a perspective of someone who is neither a fan or a hater of BG it's obvious that his current market value could allow the Clippers to potentially bring in some amazing pieces.

There are teams that need to put butts in the seats that would most likely be willing to consider overhauling their team to get BG and bring some interest to their current product.

This is where your idiotic thinking gets exposed. Blake HAS improved every single season of his career and if you look deeper into the numbers you'll understand it's not a decline but that the team around him is becoming more and more stacked.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]This is where your idiotic thinking gets exposed. Blake HAS improved every single season of his career and if you look deeper into the numbers you'll understand it's not a decline but that the team around him is becoming more and more stacked.[/QUOTE]


His efficiency rating went from 25.63 his rookie year to 23 the next year to 20 this year.


His shot from 10-15 feet out went from a 32% on 1.5 shots per game to 27% the next year on .7 shots to 42% this year on .4 shots per game..

Win share declines each year as the team continues to improve.

His rebounding numbers are declining each year. Was grabbing 9 defensive rebounds per game his rookie year, down to 7.5 last year is still at 7.3 this year.

His rookie year he was attempting almost 9 Free throw attempts per game, and hitting 64% which is pretty good for a big man who gets to the line alot.
However, the next year he got to the line less, and shot 52% :confusedshrug:

His defense has improved since his rookie year, and he's gotten better at creating his own shot. But his current trend of improvement isn't drastic enough to suggest he has the sort of GOAT potential that you and other BG fans claim that he has...

Point is, his market value is higher than what he actually brings to the court, and the Clippers could get somebody to take a lop sided deal while attaining some great pieces.

To be a legit title contender you need atleast 2 guys who can get their own in the playoffs when the defense is scheming up ways to stop them, I don't think BG is that player yet, obviously trading BG is a bad move for LAC because of the backlash from the fans and b/c of how much money he generates, i get that, but if you take away all of that stuff and simply go by what is being produced on the court,the Clippers could put themselves in immediate title contention if they brought in a player who is that kind of go to guy while not having to wait on BG's progression. Who knows what Cp3 will do this off season, does he really want to wait around 2-3 more years for BG to become that type of player that is able to be a go to guy on a championship team?

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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]His efficiency rating went from 25.63 his rookie year to 23 the next year to 20 this year.


His shot from 10-15 feet out went from a 32% on 1.5 shots per game to 27% the next year on .7 shots to 42% this year on .4 shots per game..

Win share declines each year as the team continues to improve.

His rebounding numbers are declining each year. Was grabbing 9 defensive rebounds per game his rookie year, down to 7.5 last year is still at 7.3 this year.

His rookie year he was attempting almost 9 Free throw attempts per game, and hitting 64% which is pretty good for a big man who gets to the line alot.
However, the next year he got to the line less, and shot 52% :confusedshrug:

His defense has improved since his rookie year, and he's gotten better at creating his own shot. But his current trend of improvement isn't drastic enough to suggest he has the sort of GOAT potential that you and other BG fans claim that he has...

Point is, his market value is higher than what he actually brings to the court, and the Clippers could get somebody to take a lop sided deal while attaining some great pieces.[/QUOTE]

He was injured and slow in the beginning. Let's wait till the end of the season when he posts the best season of his career before making stupid threads about trading perennial all stars.

You are totally right.

Maybe, just maybe, the Clippers can get Gasol for Blake...just maybe.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]He was injured and slow in the beginning. Let's wait till the end of the season when he posts the best season of his career before making stupid threads about [B]trading perennial all stars[/B].[/QUOTE]

because they never get traded :confusedshrug:

do you even understand the premise at hand which we are discussing?

BG's trade value is through the roof, he could bring back more than what he is worth. He is not a go to go for a championship contender YET, and it's no gurantee CP3 stays, who knows if he wants to wait 2+ years for Blake to become that player..

and why are you ignoring that decline from last year that i brought up in my post aswell? You act like he has some type of GOAT potential, yet he declined in areas such as Free throw and Mid range shooting last year, areas which should not be declining for a player with the potential which you make him out to have.

Give an example of a trade that is possible where the clippers get back more than griffin. Are you talking about a one for one , or are you talking about a borderline star and some role players? The clipps have more role players than they can handle. Unless you are talking about a star PF along with a borderline star sg or Sf in exchange for griffin, i dont see how they would get better.

[QUOTE=qrich]You are totally right.

Maybe, just maybe, the Clippers can get Gasol for Blake...just maybe.[/QUOTE]


LAC could get WAY more than friggin Pau for Blake.

With BG's trade value and the hype surrounding him do you not think that the Clippers could have atleast got Orlando's attention by offering BG for D12?

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]This current Clippers team isn't winning any championships with its current roster. They've got some solid pieces and one of if not the best point guard in the entire league and they should focus on building around Chris Paul, and IMO Blake is not the guy to do it.

Grffin is a good, exciting young player but you are not going to be winning any championships with him as your second option. Griffin is not a guy you can depend on for points in the paint during crucial moments or a guy you can rely on to get his and create his own shot in the post during the playoffs. His stats are nice but they can be misleading, they are empty in a lot of aspects & Blake Griffin's sucess does not always equal Clippers sucess aswell.

Also, Blake Griffins trade value is probrably one of the highest in the league due to his outstanding popularity. The value that he actually brings to a team isn't ANYWHERE near his current market value, this would allow the Clippers to bring in an outstanding amount of pieces.

I'm sure there are a number of teams that would be willing to overpay for BG & give up a lot of talent in order to get him. He will put buts in the seats, i could see a team like Atlanta jumping all over a chance to bring in BG.

The Clippers would be better suited to bring in a guy who fits in better with CP3 & is also defensive minded. J Smoove comes to mind, and with Griffins trade value the Clippers would easily be able to attain a draft pick and some other solid role players to place around Cp3 if they were to trade Griffin.[/QUOTE]

Yea if ur on Crack.


:biggums:

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]LAC could get WAY more than friggin Pau for Blake.

With BG's trade value and the hype surrounding him do you not think that the Clippers could have atleast got Orlando's attention by offering BG for D12?[/QUOTE]

That flew over your head.

Would they have? Did they? Who knows. Is it a deal I was for, yes and no. And I'm confident no team would trade someone like Blake Griffin for a guy that is a diva and on an expiring contract.

But Josh Smith and role players, really? So Caron Butler, DeAndre Jordan, Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny Turiaf and when healthy, Chauncey Billups & Grant Hill are not enough role players?

Or you said a first. Smith and CJ Wilcox for Blake is enough...how? And you expect Smith to play the four in the West with big guy tandems like Pau/Dwight & ZBo/Marc?

Griffin is the most marketable player they've had since forever. He isn't going anywhere

[QUOTE=ncrizzle]Give an example of a trade that is possible where the clippers get back more than griffin. Are you talking about a one for one , or are you talking about a borderline star and some role players? The clipps have more role players than they can handle. Unless you are talking about a star PF along with a borderline star sg or Sf in exchange for griffin, i dont see how they would get better.[/QUOTE]

ok. Take a team like the Hawks, probrably the worst fan base in the entire NBA, always empty seats in the arena, totally irrelevant to the "main stream" NBA.

J Smooth is about to leave for free agency, and they are not going anywhere with Horford as their # 1 guy.

JSmooth, Horford & Korver For BG, DJ.

Atlanta Hawks reasoning: J Smooth is likely to leave anyways, Horford is not enought to attract big name free agents next season, getting BG attracts free agents and is Guranteed to put butts in the seats. Brings in their biggest star since Nique and makes them relevant again.

LAC reasoning: Brings in arguably the best front court in the entire NBA. one of the best defensive PF's in J smooth and is just as atheltic as BG. Horford gives them a legit center.

Thats just one idea, with a guy like BG the possibilites are endless, who knows how far some team desperate for ticket sales would be willing to go in order to get Griffin.

Durant, Westbrooke, Bron, Kobe, Melo, Wade, Prolly the players that would be impossible to get, the rest of the players in the league could potentially end up in a trade for griffin if he was ever put on the block.