If Republicans soften the immigration message, is it over for Democrats?

[QUOTE=LJJ]Wow, that graph is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
This helps explain it a bit:

[IMG]http://rationalrevolution.net/images/bothaxes.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://rationalrevolution.net/images/axeswithnames.gif[/IMG]

[url]http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/redefining_the_political_spectru.htm[/url]

Pretty neat. You can take it here to see where you land:

[url]http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html[/url]

In fact, I'll start a new thread! Go post: [url]http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283512[/url]

Republicans and democrats are basically the exact same party.

Only fools fall for the propaganda that they represent two different things.

[QUOTE=kentatm]so thinking women should get equal pay is anti male?

anti white how again?

wanting to go back to the tax rates we had under Clinton is anti rich?

come on now.





THIS

every time I hear him get called a socialist or commie I have to wonder if these people ever even studied what the **** that means in school.[/QUOTE]

It's crazy to think that women are unfairly treated. I believe that yes, he is anti-male in that he fights for women's equal pay. Yes, because there is no need to fight for it. You can show me any figures that show me that women pay less, but it doesn't matter. Maybe they get paid less because they don't do as good work. You can say the same think for every group of people. Everyone doesn't need to get uniform pay.

[QUOTE=Math2]It's crazy to think that women are unfairly treated. I believe that yes, he is anti-male in that he fights for women's equal pay. Yes, because there is no need to fight for it. You can show me any figures that show me that women pay less, but it doesn't matter. Maybe they get paid less because they don't do as good work. You can say the same think for every group of people. Everyone doesn't need to get uniform pay.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=Droid101]This helps explain it a bit:[/QUOTE]

I know what a political compass is. But anyone who says Hu Jintao, Angela Merkel and Mitt Romney are all comparably right wing in their political views is completely out of his mind.

[QUOTE=Math2]It's crazy to think that women are unfairly treated. I believe that yes, he is anti-male in that he fights for women's equal pay. Yes, because there is no need to fight for it. You can show me any figures that show me that women pay less, but it doesn't matter. Maybe they get paid less because they don't do as good work. You can say the same think for every group of people. Everyone doesn't need to get uniform pay.[/QUOTE]


Lurker coming out to say, holy sh1t this was awful.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Latinos: ideology

54% conservative

39% liberal

I saw this on MSNBC today.

If Republicans soften the immigration message, I think Democrats are done.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I think most people have some conservative leanings.

Not after using them as scapegoats and villainizing them as a thread to the country.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Except for the part where none of that is true. Being for a woman's right to choose doesn't mean you're anti-male. Being in favor of same sex marriage doesn't make you against heterosexual marriage. Racist makes no sense and likely a function of your own idiocy and ignorance. Lastly, if you knew a thing about communism or socialism you'd know that despite the most left leaning politicians, the US and the Democrats in general are nowhere near true communists or socialists.

You're just another idiot kid with no career, no education, and a bunch of GOP and libertarian talking points. Probably another kid so dead set against any gov't assistance but likely can't live on their own without handouts from their mommy and daddy.

This site has a bunch of them; you're a dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]

If someone lives on their parents money, you are essentially taking from your own bank account, though not directly. It is MY FAMILY'S money, I'm not taking from some random tax payer just because I'm inept and can't pay my bills. Your parents put you in a position where you can be helped by then. If one can't say that, then they shouldn't be getting assistence. YOU put yourself in a favorable position, thus you should be able to take advantage of any money you may have.

The republican party is a dinosaur party.

[QUOTE=Math2]It is MY FAMILY'S money, I'm not taking from some random tax payer just because I'm inept and can't pay my bills. [/QUOTE]
No, you're taking from your parents because you're inept and can't pay your bills.

[QUOTE=Math2]If someone lives on their parents money, you are essentially taking from your own bank account, though not directly. It is MY FAMILY'S money, I'm not taking from some random tax payer just because I'm inept and can't pay my bills. [/QUOTE]
So you're just a taker who contributes nothing to society and doesn't pay taxes. You are the 47% Romney was talking about.

[QUOTE=Math2]If someone lives on their parents money, you are essentially taking from your own bank account, though not directly. It is MY FAMILY'S money, I'm not taking from some random tax payer just because I'm inept and can't pay my bills. Your parents put you in a position where you can be helped by then. If one can't say that, then they shouldn't be getting assistence. YOU put yourself in a favorable position, thus you should be able to take advantage of any money you may have.[/QUOTE]

So it's true? Just like the rest of our crying, whining, libertarians/repubs on this site, you can't support yourself but you bitch about everyone else who "want" handouts. Although it's justified because you're the inept loser who happened to be born into a family that could cover your sorry ass while they weren't?

Do you currently have a job? Do you live at home with your parents? How old are you?

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]So it's true? Just like the rest of our crying, whining, libertarians/repubs on this site, you can't support yourself but you bitch about everyone else who "want" handouts. Although it's justified because you're the inept loser who happened to be born into a family that could cover your sorry ass while they weren't?

Do you currently have a job? Do you live at home with your parents? How old are you?[/QUOTE]

I like how he comes to the conclusion that because his parents have the money to support him, he himself put himself in a favorable position.

What?

Only entitle losers accept hand outs.

[QUOTE=Math2]If someone lives on their parents money, you are essentially taking from your own bank account, though not directly. It is MY FAMILY'S money, I'm not taking from some random tax payer just because I'm inept and can't pay my bills. Your parents put you in a position where you can be helped by then. If one can't say that, then they shouldn't be getting assistence. YOU put yourself in a favorable position, thus you should be able to take advantage of any money you may have.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like this nicca still sucking from the parent's teet...:lol move out, ya lazy bum:oldlol:

And that's not your money, it's your parents you fvcking leech

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]I live off my parents money and don't work. I guess that makes me a bad person.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily.

If you were complaining about "takers" and "leeches" and "lazy bums who live off the government and pay no taxes" all the time, then you'd be a huge hypocrite. But I don't recall you doing any of that.

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]No, I'm all for handouts.

But I don't pay taxes and don't contribute to society.[/QUOTE]

At least you're not a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]No, you're taking from your parents because you're inept and can't pay your bills.[/QUOTE]

But even if I did it wouldn't matter because my parents would have put themselves in a position where, if needed and if they wanted, they could help. It's not the government's responsibility to pay for me, it's mine, or my family, [I]if they choose to do so.[/I]

[QUOTE=Math2]It's crazy to think that women are unfairly treated. I believe that yes, he is anti-male in that he fights for women's equal pay. Yes, because there is no need to fight for it. [B]You can show me any figures that show me that women pay less, but it doesn't matter. Maybe they get paid less because they don't do as good work. [/B]You can say the same think for every group of people. Everyone doesn't need to get uniform pay.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=Math2]But even if I did it wouldn't matter because my parents would have put themselves in a position where, if needed and if they wanted, they could help. [B]It's not the government's responsibility to pay for me, it's mine, or my family,[/B] [I]if they choose to do so.[/I][/QUOTE]
Why don't you consider your fellow American citizens as a sort of extended family? Wouldn't we all be better off if we did? If we all wanted to take care of each other and make sure everyone in our country is happy?

[QUOTE=Math2]But even if I did it wouldn't matter because my parents would have put themselves in a position where, if needed and if they wanted, they could help. It's not the government's responsibility to pay for me, it's mine, or my family, [I]if they choose to do so.[/I][/QUOTE]

You are pathetic. How old are you?

[QUOTE=Math2]But even if I did it wouldn't matter because my parents would have put themselves in a position where, if needed and if they wanted, they could help. It's not the government's responsibility to pay for me, it's mine, or my family, [I]if they choose to do so.[/I][/QUOTE]
Good for them and good for you but it means you do not have the moral high ground over welfare recipients. Just an easier application process.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Why don't you consider your fellow American citizens as a sort of extended family? Wouldn't we all be better off if we did? If we all wanted to take care of each other and make sure everyone in our country is happy?[/QUOTE]

No. Communism or whatever it is that you are proposing hasn't worked, and it won't work. If you decide to rely on your parents, then that's what you and your parents decided, it's not necessarily good for you as someone to sustain themselves, but that between you are your family. Forcing someone to give you money who has no vested interest in you is stupid.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Good for them and good for you but it means you do not have the moral high ground over welfare recipients. Just an easier application process.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I'm arguing though. I'm saying that since your parents put themselves in a position to help you, they should be able to [B]if they want to.[/B] It's NOT a responsible thing, though it is more responsible than relying on strangers to pay your bills.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You are pathetic. How old are you?[/QUOTE]

I'm in high school, so I obviously do live off my parents for the time being.

[QUOTE=Math2]No. Communism or whatever it is that you are proposing hasn't worked, and it won't work. [/quote]Having an adequate safety net for those who fall on hard times is not Communism. It's common ****ing sense.


[quote=Math2] Forcing someone to give you money who has no vested interest in you is stupid.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, we all have a vested interest in everyone. If we take away the only way a poor person has to feed his kids, he might just kill you in order to do it.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Having an adequate safety net for those who fall on hard times is not Communism. It's common ****ing sense.



Trust me, we all have a vested interest in everyone. If we take away the only way a poor person has to feed his kids, he might just kill you in order to do it.[/QUOTE]

So we should have to pay for strangers food? Why?

If they kill someone, then they just go to jail. So what? Murders happen all the time.

:roll: I am loving this...

The guy doing the most ranting and raving is a little boy in high school living off mommy and daddy

:roll:

This muthaf*cker is talking about takers and makers when he has yet to even be an adult... are you old enough even vote???

:bowdown: this is for deuce.... He blind called it

[QUOTE=Math2]So we should have to pay for strangers food? Why?[/quote]What if (not being a dick) your parents and your entire family and friends died and you had no money and no home. What would you do in this hypothetical situation? With no skills or training, you're looking at a close to minimum wage job, which isn't enough to support you in anything other than a studio apartment (if even that).

How do you even get that job? You don't have a phone. How do they call you back to schedule an interview? Wouldn't a little... [B]assistance [/B]help get you on your feet?

[QUOTE=Math2]If they kill someone, then they just go to jail. So what? Murders happen all the time.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html[/url]

The more people in poverty, the more crime there is. Money is better spend preventing poverty (by helping people through it via welfare, food stamps, WIC, "Obamaphones," etc.) than it is spent on police officers and prisons after the fact.

You want to save money and be more fiscally responsible as a country, right?

[QUOTE=Droid101]What if (not being a dick) your parents and your entire family and friends died and you had no money and no home. What would you do in this hypothetical situation? With no skills or training, you're looking at a close to minimum wage job, which isn't enough to support you in anything other than a studio apartment (if even that).

How do you even get that job? You don't have a phone. How do they call you back to schedule an interview? Wouldn't a little... [B]assistance [/B]help get you on your feet?
[/QUOTE]

That's one issue I have with many conservatives. They seem to think if you are outside of their circle of family and friends then you can essentially go f*** yourself. To me it seems as if they fail to realize that we would be better off if we were in this together since we can all benefit down the line. It's like they operate on a very small, tribal mindset.

[QUOTE=Droid101]What if (not being a dick) your parents and your entire family and friends died and you had no money and no home. What would you do in this hypothetical situation? With no skills or training, you're looking at a close to minimum wage job, which isn't enough to support you in anything other than a studio apartment (if even that).

How do you even get that job? You don't have a phone. How do they call you back to schedule an interview? Wouldn't a little... [B]assistance [/B]help get you on your feet?


[url]http://www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html[/url]

The more people in poverty, the more crime there is. Money is better spend preventing poverty (by helping people through it via welfare, food stamps, WIC, "Obamaphones," etc.) than it is spent on police officers and prisons after the fact.

You want to save money and be more fiscally responsible as a country, right?[/QUOTE]

First off, that's not a likely hypothetical situation. Secondly, that's not everyone else's fault. They shouldn't have to pay for me.

[QUOTE=Math2]First off, that's not a likely hypothetical situation. Secondly, that's not everyone else's fault. They shouldn't have to pay for me.[/QUOTE]
So, instead of answering, you say this. I'll ask again.

What would you do?

[QUOTE=Droid101]So, instead of answering, you say this. I'll ask again.

What would you do?[/QUOTE]

Not apply for it, or accept it from the government. I shouldn't take other peoples money that they don't want to go to me. If they want to give to the poor, they should donate to charity. I would accept from charity because the money that goes there wasn't stolen from them.

[QUOTE=Math2]Not apply for it, or accept it from the government. I shouldn't take other peoples money that they don't want to go to me. If they want to give to the poor, they should donate to charity. I would accept from charity because the money that goes there wasn't stolen from them.[/QUOTE]
I see.

Ever drive on roads? Better not! Those roads were built using money that was STOLEN from MY POCKETS against MY WILL!

Attend public school? You better stop! Those school grounds and teachers were paid for with money STOLEN FROM ME!

[QUOTE=Math2]Not apply for it, or accept it from the government. I shouldn't take other peoples money that they don't want to go to me. If they want to give to the poor, they should donate to charity. I would accept from charity because the money that goes there wasn't stolen from them.[/QUOTE]
Are the armed forces full of thieves? Are public school teachers stealing? Should cops arrest themselves? Because there are taxpayers that don't want their money going to all of these groups.

[QUOTE=Droid101]I see.

Ever drive on roads? Better not! Those roads were built using money that was STOLEN from MY POCKETS against MY WILL!

Attend public school? You better stop! Those school grounds and teachers were paid for with money STOLEN FROM ME![/QUOTE]

Those two things are 5% of the budget. If those were the only two things we paid for as taxpayers, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Moot point really. As most of yours are.

Trust funds take up a much larger chunk.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Those two things are 5% of the budget. If those were the only two things we paid for as taxpayers, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Moot point really. As most of yours are.

Trust funds take up a much larger chunk.[/QUOTE]

eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.

[QUOTE=Nanners]eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.[/QUOTE]

This is more along the lines of what it means to forcibly take someone's money. It's called redistribution.

What's different about roads and to a lesser extent, schools, is that they benefit society as a whole, rather than one economic class of people.

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]:oldlol: You guys arguing with a 15 year old. You're not gonna convince a 15 year old not to think retarded things.[/QUOTE]
True, but if someone out on the internet is searching and sees this thread, maybe it'll help enlighten them.

Maybe.