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[QUOTE=daily]Kobe's arrogance has no place in this discussion as a matter of fact it's what makes him great plus Kobe is a much better defender than Magic ever was.
The weak sauce your peddling stems purely out of a dislike for Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Tim Duncan is much better defender than Larry Bird.
Because of this;
Duncan > Bird
Agree? Disagree?
Kevin Garnett is much better defender than Charles Barkley.
Because of this;
Garnett > Chuck
Agree? Disagree?
I can write more if you want.
Too many people are forgetting about Jerry West. Entire career was with the LA Lakers, he brought LA it's first title, he lead the team in assists and points almost every season he played. IMO he's ahead of Kareem as far as "Lakers" organization is concerned. Baylor is almost on par with him too as far as playing career and impact for the team during playing years is concerned. What West did after his playing days might make him the greatest Laker EVER. He's the man behind Shaq and Kobe. Without West, that stuff doesn't even happen.
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[QUOTE=Odinn]Tim Duncan is much better defender than Larry Bird.
Because of this;
Duncan > Bird
Agree? Disagree?
Kevin Garnett is much better defender than Charles Barkley.
Because of this;
Garnett > Chuck
Agree? Disagree?
I can write more if you want.[/QUOTE]
He's just responding to that specific post. I don't think he's suggesting what you're saying.
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The only people saying Kobe are Kobe-only fans. Not a single Lakers fan think Kobe was better than Magic because they know better.
Magic. He had more impact, not only on the team and the organization, but the NBA as well. Showtime Lakers was probably the best era in Laker history, and brought the stars to their seats.
Kobe is the better individual player, but Magic probably is the better impact and without a doubt the better team player. Kobe is probably the second greatest laker of all time, and he may become the greatest depending on how long he last. But Magic did more in the short amount of time he was in the league than Kobe did in his long career.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]The only people saying Kobe are Kobe-only fans. Not a single Lakers fan think Kobe was better than Magic because they know better.[/QUOTE]
the question is not who is the better player.
[QUOTE=lakerspng]the question is not who is the better player.[/QUOTE]
Oh in the case
Magic.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]The only people saying Kobe are Kobe-only fans. Not a single Lakers fan think Kobe was better than Magic because they know better.[/QUOTE]
But didn't you say Kobe was better than Magic?
[QUOTE=Jerry West]“Well, it is difficult (to judge the greatest Laker ever) when you have probably the greatest center to ever play the game playing for your team in (Kareem) Abdul-Jabbar (and) Magic Johnson, who was an absolutely incredible player. I played with one — Elgin Baylor — incredible player. Wilt Chamberlain (also).
“But if you look at what (Kobe’s) accomplished solely as a Laker, becasue the other players, except for a couple of them, were acquired through trades. He was drafted here and he’s played his whole career here. To me, I don’t see why you couldn’t say he is the greatest Laker player in terms of talent. In terms of the talent, the Lakers have never had a better player than him. Never.”[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2012/12/06/jerry-west-lakers-have-never-had-a-better-player-than-kobe-bryant/[/url]
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]But didn't you say Kobe was better than Magic?[/QUOTE]
When did I say that? I said Kobe could have surpassed Magic back in 2011 when he was going for a 3-peat but that ship has sailed and Kobe declines more and more every season.
[QUOTE=Micku]Magic. He had more impact, not only on the team and the organization, but the NBA as well. Showtime Lakers was probably the best era in Laker history, and brought the stars to their seats.
Kobe is the better individual player, but Magic probably is the better impact and without a doubt the better team player. Kobe is probably the second greatest laker of all time, and he may become the greatest depending on how long he last. But Magic did more in the short amount of time he was in the league than Kobe did in his long career.[/QUOTE]
a lot of Magic's impact in the NBA though is because Magic came into a dead league and he and Bird brought it back to life. NBA was in much better shape when Kobe came into it. But with anything, timing plays a large part. Both guys have done so much for the organization it's amazing. As much as Magic carried the Lakers brand domestically, Kobe has done internationally. Hopefully we have a player in the future who can carry the team the way they did.. I'm just not convinced it's Howard just yet.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]When did I say that? I said Kobe could have surpassed Magic back in 2011 when he was going for a 3-peat but that ship has sailed and Kobe declines more and more every season.[/QUOTE]
I'm unaware of this "decline more and more every season"
Yeah sure he's lost a lot of athleticism butt the dude was 2nd in scoring last year and has maintained his high level of play by finding new ways to score and be effective
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]When did I say that? I said Kobe could have surpassed Magic back in 2011 when he was going for a 3-peat but that ship has sailed and Kobe declines more and more every season.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is better right now than he was in 2011 and 2012. He was also better in 2012 than he was in 2011. You obviously have no idea what youre talking about.:facepalm
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is better right now than he was in 2011 and 2012. He was also better in 2012 than he was in 2011. You obviously have no idea what youre talking about.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Good luck if you think he is going to sustain it.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]When did I say that? I said Kobe could have surpassed Magic back in 2011 when he was going for a 3-peat but that ship has sailed and Kobe declines more and more every season.[/QUOTE]
He's better this year than last, leading the league in scoring at his highest career fg%, not sure that exactly meets the description of decline, but if the hate makes you feel better, by all means...
It's a battle of overall impact vs longevity for me. It's close, but I'll have to side with Magic on this one.
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Has Kobe finally surpassed Magic as the greatest Laker?[/QUOTE]
Magic, but Kobe might be a better player. Magic is just synonymous with LA during basketball's "prime" in the 80s.
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Jerry West overall contributed more to the Lakers franchise than any other player or former player.
Neither. It's Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Magic, although very overrated, is still a much better Laker than Kobe.
Kobe isn't top 5 Lakers of all time.
[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]Neither. It's Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Magic, although very overrated, is still a much better Laker than Kobe.
Kobe isn't top 5 Lakers of all time.[/QUOTE]
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Its like saying LeBron is not top 5 player right now.
[QUOTE=lakerspng]a lot of Magic's impact in the NBA though is because Magic came into a dead league and he and Bird brought it back to life. NBA was in much better shape when Kobe came into it. But with anything, timing plays a large part. Both guys have done so much for the organization it's amazing. As much as [B]Magic carried the Lakers brand domestically, Kobe has done internationally[/B]. Hopefully we have a player in the future who can carry the team the way they did.. I'm just not convinced it's Howard just yet.[/QUOTE]
That is an unfair comparison due to the difference in technology. Back in Magic's day, one looked forward to one or a couple games on the weekend. Now, with games on network TV, cable, satellite, League Pass (all games everyday) and the explosion of the internet, it is natural that there is more international/global exposure.
If Magic were playing today, with his personality, he'd be bigger than Kobe. Man's got presence, charisma and a smile that lit up the screen (unlike the anti-social personality that Kobe gives off). And talk about impact, that Finals game that he played center when Kareem went down was just spectacular (and as a rookie too). Kobe's never had particularly great performances in the Finals.
Not sure if this is a serious question but Kareem is the greatest Laker of all time, followed by Magic and Jerry West...Kobe should no way be in front of those 3, but I will put him ahead of Shaq and Wilt because of his longevity with the Lakers that those 2 don't have...
relative to his era: Magic wins
-Magic played in 9 NBA finals,won 5
-Magic won 3MVP+3FMVP
-Showtime Lakers > 2000s Lakers
-Magic,alongside Bird,saved the NBA
Kobe was a stopgap between Duncan/Shaq and Lebron/Durant eras.
Having said that,Kareem is the greatest Laker
[QUOTE=r15mohd]Magic
Kareem
Wilt
West
Shaq
Mikan
Baylor
then we can begin to talk Kobe[/QUOTE]
GTFO of here. I hate when non-Laker fans try to be assholes when ranking the greatest Lakers. Have some respect, f*cking troll.
Kobe is either the #1 or #2 best Laker of all-time. Nothing less.
Magic did a lot more in less time, while Kobe has played pretty much more than any other Laker. So it all depends on how you view it.
Can't honestly say.
Wasn't lucky enough to be alive to watch Magic play. I've watched countless YouTube games but I havn't watched his career.
Magic was truly amazing.
I'm probably the only one on here who saw West, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe play live in their prime.
The only answer is KOBE.
Magic was phenomenal, I never thought he would be topped...but he never won without Kareem and his career was cut short. Add to that Magic was a terrible defender....not a single 1st team all defense....I think he only had 1 second team. Now compare that to Kobe.....no comparison at all.
Kareem, great player but his first 6 years were in Milwaukee and Magic helped carry him in his latter years.....not to mention he had a phenomenal supporting cast.......Kareem could barely make it up and down the floor.
No player in Lakers history has come close to doing what Kobe has done over his career.
[QUOTE=DKLaker]I'm probably the only one on here who saw West, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe play live in their prime.
The only answer is KOBE.
Magic was phenomenal, I never thought he would be topped...but he never won without Kareem and his career was cut short. Add to that Magic was a terrible defender....not a single 1st team all defense....I think he only had 1 second team. Now compare that to Kobe.....no comparison at all.
Kareem, great player but his first 6 years were in Milwaukee and Magic helped carry him in his latter years.....not to mention he had a phenomenal supporting cast.......Kareem could barely make it up and down the floor.
No player in Lakers history has come close to doing what Kobe has done over his career.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: :facepalm
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Jerry West overall contributed more to the Lakers franchise than any other player or former player.[/QUOTE]
This is TRUE :applause: :applause: :applause:
and it was West who demanded that the Lakers get Kobe....plus he landed Shaq, the stress of this almost killed him.
[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]:wtf: :facepalm[/QUOTE]
You hate Kobe......so what, you have no legitimate argument.
Please make me laugh by trying to say Magic played defense.....I was at all but about 3 home games during his career......including playoffs and finals.
Magic is the best PG I have ever seen.....but he's not as good an overall player as Kobe nor did he play as long.
Gotta go with Magic:
Magic
Kobe
West
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Mikan
Baylor
Worthy
Goodrich
Gasol
Dwight
Kareem didn't even play his entire career in L.A for the Lakers or else he would be 1st.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Kareem didn't even play his entire career in L.A for the Lakers or else he would be 1st.[/QUOTE]
You are right.