Obama sets a food stamp record...AGAIN.

[QUOTE=Derka]:lol First line of the article. "Nearly everyone who's looked at Wal-Mart's practices as an employer—its union busting, sex discrimination, low wages, and minimal benefits—has concluded that it's America's retail bad guy." Obviously no agenda there whatsoever, amirite??

Every one of those things is provably untrue if you've actually worked for the company. But if random internet articles says its true, it must be. After all, people never lie on the internet or manipulate data to further an agenda or just be outrageous ***** in the name of increasing web traffic.

[B]If you're just gonna cite what other people tell you, keep quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about.[/B]

Edit: Article's from 2008. Come on now.[/QUOTE]


lol, are you kidding me? unless i am going to come and spout anecdotal evidence like you i should keep quiet?

news flash:just because you work at walmart doesnt make you any more of an expert on big box retailers than any random scrub who works retail. seriously are you joking with your nonsense? studies on the internet >>>> some moron who claims to have worked at walmart.

The most recent data I can find puts the hourly wage for costco workers at $17 per hour, while the hourly wage for walmart employees is $10 per hour.

[QUOTE=Derka]Gonna duck out of this one before you all get mad or something.

lol, studies you found on the internet. And you people believe them. Classic!

Adios.[/QUOTE]
Why are published studies less reliable than your anecdotes, which even you are admittedly unsure of?

[quote=Derka]Every one of those things is [B]provably untrue[/B] if you've actually worked for the company.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Derka]Sarcasm. Seriously.

We're not at the outset of the Industrial Revolution anymore. I say Walmart doesn't need a union and you come at me with child labor and OSHA? There's not a single Walmart associate who can't go to his/her store manager and say "I'm not paid enough to live and this is why I should be getting paid more" and not at the very least have a serious dialogue about the topic. Much like with a union, nothing's guaranteed. But I'll speak for myself over paying someone else to do it for me.[/QUOTE]
you do realize the 40 hour work week is from 1940? This isnt ancient history, but only 2 generations of laborers past. SMFH at you negating the impact of unions for a positive change for laborers.

[QUOTE=Derka]:lol First line of the article. "Nearly everyone who's looked at Wal-Mart's practices as an employer—its union busting, sex discrimination, low wages, and minimal benefits—has concluded that it's America's retail bad guy." Obviously no agenda there whatsoever, amirite??

Every one of those things is provably untrue if you've actually worked for the company. But if random internet articles says its true, it must be. After all, people never lie on the internet or manipulate data to further an agenda or just be outrageous ***** in the name of increasing web traffic.

If you're just gonna cite what other people tell you, keep quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Edit: Article's from 2008. Come on now.[/QUOTE]
so your ****ing limited personal experience, with no data on your side at all, is more reliable than study after study showing that walmart employees use public assistance at a much higher rate than any other group (let alone other retail employees)? OK there. Keep defending your overlord.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]LOL, churches and private charities would cover the loss of welfare.[/QUOTE]


no.

not even close man.

To reply to a neg:[QUOTE]He's not feeding hungry people, tax payers are paying for people who may not work as hard to eat. Make your own money buy your own food. -Bano114[/QUOTE]Taxes pay for a lot of things that an individual tax payer may not like. Trillions of dollars, for example, have gone into Iraq and I know that if I was asked for fifty dollars a week (or whatever my contribution will end up being) to spend on Iraq I wouldn't have given it up. So when I hear Republicans whine about a program that is only 2% of the budget and is actually doing some good? Please. I will never apologize for supporting the feeding of the hungry, many of whom are single mothers, the elderly, and children.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]To reply to a neg:Taxes pay for a lot of things that an individual tax payer may not like. Trillions of dollars, for example, have gone into Iraq and I know that if I was asked for fifty dollars a week (or whatever my contribution will end up being) to spend on Iraq I wouldn't have given it up. So when I hear Republicans whine about a program that is only 2% of the budget and is actually doing some good? Please. I will never apologize for supporting the feeding of the hungry, many of whom are single mothers, the elderly, and children.[/QUOTE]


:applause:

[QUOTE=boozehound]Its well documented that walmart encourages their employees to get on public assistance, right down to corporate memos in the break room.

Also, I was on food stamps once. As a graduate student with a wife and small child, it was of invaluable help at that time of my life. Honestly, how old are you? You seem to have a very sheltered worldview and limited life experience.[/QUOTE]

Great life choice dude. Not being able to support a kid and having one anyways. You put yourself in that hole.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]To reply to a neg:Taxes pay for a lot of things that an individual tax payer may not like. Trillions of dollars, for example, have gone into Iraq and I know that if I was asked for fifty dollars a week (or whatever my contribution will end up being) to spend on Iraq I wouldn't have given it up. So when I hear Republicans whine about a program that is only 2% of the budget and is actually doing some good? Please. I will never apologize for supporting the feeding of the hungry, many of whom are single mothers, the elderly, and children.[/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying but it doesn't mean people have to agree with rewarding people's mistakes. No matter how big or little.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Great life choice dude. Not being able to support a kid and having one anyways. You put yourself in that hole.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and I was teaching idiots like you at your fabulous alma matter. But the lowballing of teachers and college instructors is another matter. I have never encountered such a poorly educated and oblivious student body. Have fun picking up chicks in Farmington. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in your life, as you obviously were in your shitty Dallas suburbs. No wonder you have such a pathetic and money dominated view of life (IK IK you lived in PNG for a year!). Having to ask for help takes a lot of courage, but guess what? everyone needs a little help at some point in their life.

[QUOTE=boozehound]Yep, and I was teaching idiots like you at your fabulous alma matter. But the lowballing of teachers and college instructors is another matter. I have never encountered such a poorly educated and oblivious student body. Have fun picking up chicks in Farmington. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in your life, as you obviously were in your shitty Dallas suburbs. No wonder you have such a pathetic and money dominated view of life (IK IK you lived in PNG for a year!). Having to ask for help takes a lot of courage, but guess what? everyone needs a little help at some point in their life.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Balla_Status]I get what you're saying but it doesn't mean people have to agree with rewarding people's mistakes. No matter how big or little.[/QUOTE]
If you don't care about the less fortunate there's nothing to tell you because that's just your values. But the way I see things if we're going to have a government that collects money from the general population and spends it on projects that are supposed to be for the greater good then we should be feeding the hungry. To people like me, letting children go hungry is wrong, letting the elderly go hungry is wrong, and if yes, a few able-bodied adults get fed in the process of getting food to their kids that's an acceptable side-effect. Especially seeing as if you look at the budget programs like food stamps are not what's driving the debt.

[QUOTE=boozehound]Yep, and I was teaching idiots like you at your fabulous alma matter. But the lowballing of teachers and college instructors is another matter. I have never encountered such a poorly educated and oblivious student body. Have fun picking up chicks in Farmington. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in your life, as you obviously were in your shitty Dallas suburbs. No wonder you have such a pathetic and money dominated view of life (IK IK you lived in PNG for a year!). Having to ask for help takes a lot of courage, but guess what? everyone needs a little help at some point in their life.[/QUOTE]

Boozehound- The Father
Hawker- The Son
This Thread- The Holy Ghost

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[QUOTE=boozehound]Yep, and I was teaching idiots like you at your fabulous alma matter. But the lowballing of teachers and college instructors is another matter. I have never encountered such a poorly educated and oblivious student body. Have fun picking up chicks in Farmington. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in your life, as you obviously were in your shitty Dallas suburbs. No wonder you have such a pathetic and money dominated view of life (IK IK you lived in PNG for a year!). Having to ask for help takes a lot of courage, but guess what? everyone needs a little help at some point in their life.[/QUOTE]

No idea what any of that has to do with having the responsibility to govern oneself.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]If you don't care about the less fortunate there's nothing to tell you because that's just your values. But the way I see things if we're going to have a government that collects money from the general population and spends it on projects that are supposed to be for the greater good then we should be feeding the hungry. To people like me, letting children go hungry is wrong, letting the elderly go hungry is wrong, and if yes, a few able-bodied adults get fed in the process of getting food to their kids that's an acceptable side-effect. Especially seeing as if you look at the budget programs like food stamps are not what's driving the debt.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I said. I just believe that's the majority of people's issues with these systems are people taking advantage of it. And being forced to pay for it. And are people making decisions that are putting themselves in these positions?

Obama didn't dig this hole.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]That's not what I said. I just believe that's the majority of people's issues with these systems are people taking advantage of it. And being forced to pay for it. And are people making decisions that are putting themselves in these positions?[/QUOTE]

im being forced to pay for the tax breaks that boost the profits for your companies like your employer. im being forced to pay for the war that secures resources that will boost the profits for your industry.

i would bet if you broke down the numbers, YOU receive more $$ in govt handouts than the average poor/lazy person. also, i would much rather pay for food for poor people, instead of continuing to have my tax money funneled into the pockets of shitheads like you.

if we are going to talk about wasteful spending, lets focus on the right areas

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]No idea what any of that has to do with having the responsibility to govern oneself.[/QUOTE]
yet another failure of your sub-par, less than well-rounded education. Otherwise you have read important social theorists, who are the fathers of modern democracy, and realize the social contract is the only thing that truly makes us human. Hell, even dumb animals like chimps care for the weaker members of their troupe. Meanwhile, we have the largest income disparity in the modern age (significantly higher than any other industrialized country) and an incredibly large portion of our society deals with daily food insecurity despite these social safety nets. [URL="http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview"]http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview[/URL]

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]That's not what I said. I just believe that's the majority of people's issues with these systems are people taking advantage of it. And being forced to pay for it. And are people making decisions that are putting themselves in these positions?[/QUOTE]
Welfare fraud is probably going to be a reality no matter what you do. A father whose kids are AFDC can still put up an ad on craigslist and get moving gigs, paid to paint under the table, etc. I believe in the highest possible standards of financial screening to limit this kind of abuse but you don't kill these programs just because some of the people on them are cheating.

Yes, people make life decisions that lead them to hard times. That doesn't mean their children should suffer for their mistakes, and depending on the decision that led them to tough times a lot of them don't deserve to suffer either.

[QUOTE=Nanners]im being forced to pay for the tax breaks that boost the profits for your companies like your employer. im being forced to pay for the war that secures resources that will boost the profits for your industry.

i would bet if you broke down the numbers, YOU receive more $$ in govt handouts than the average poor/lazy person. also, i would much rather pay for food for poor people, instead of continuing to have my tax money funneled into the pockets of shitheads like you.

if we are going to talk about wasteful spending, lets focus on the right areas[/QUOTE]

Explain to me how you "pay" for a companies REDUCTION in the amount of taxes they pay to the government. You're not paying [COLOR="Black"]sh[/COLOR]it. Tax break =/= subsidy.

[QUOTE=bdreason]Obama didn't dig this hole.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, it was a hole dug collectively, by a lot of people that made a lot of poor decisions over decades.

I believe we all contributed to this hole and while I was not pleased with what the Government had to do as a fix I am aware that it was much better than the alternative. I think some people forget how bad 08 was and blaming Democrats for continuing the policies that were put in place in 08 is absurd.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Explain to me how you "pay" for a companies REDUCTION in the amount of taxes they pay to the government. You're not paying [COLOR="Black"]sh[/COLOR]it. Tax break =/= subsidy.[/QUOTE]


you need this explained??

i pay taxes. then, the us government decides to give massive tax breaks to your industry... is it really too hard for you to connect the dots on that one?

the only difference between a tax break and a subsidy is the letters used in the word. bottom line, they are both free (taxpayer) money from the government. if you want to argue semantics, you should talk to primetime or something.

[QUOTE=boozehound]yet another failure of your sub-par, less than well-rounded education. Otherwise you have read important social theorists, who are the fathers of modern democracy, and realize the social contract is the only thing that truly makes us human. Hell, even dumb animals like chimps care for the weaker members of their troupe. Meanwhile, we have the largest income disparity in the modern age (significantly higher than any other industrialized country) and an incredibly large portion of our society deals with daily food insecurity despite these social safety nets. [URL="http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview"]http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview[/URL][/QUOTE]

Oh, I've heard about the social contact. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it all the time.

I don't know what you meant about money-dominated view but I actually enjoy what I do. I just happen to get paid very well for it. I don't see the issue.

My brother works as an economics assistant (half grad student/half something else) and worked on a project in Chile where the government is trying to "push" citizens to start studying subjects that allow them to make more money so they can pay back the loans they receive from the government. Shouldn't people be a little more responsible and do some research about what jobs are available, salaries, job market for whatever they're studying? A "well-rounded" education (very relative term btw) is all well and good but if you're stuck paying back loans and then b[COLOR="Black"]it[/COLOR]ch about not being able to find a job (because you studied something that wasn't marketable to begin with), do you really have anything to stand on? Of course this can go in the "is college really for me" thread...

[QUOTE=Loneshot]Did you know you can't receive them if you are a student? I find that to be complete BS as if anyone needs them, it would be student struggling to make something better of themselves. Instead they have to choose between food and education.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? I got food stamps for a short bit when I was in undergrad. All you have to do is sign up for work study. The amount of hours can be as minimal as possible (I worked an hour a week just to get food).

[QUOTE=Nanners]you need this explained??

i pay taxes. then, the us government decides to give massive tax breaks to your industry... is it really too hard for you to connect the dots on that one?

the only difference between a tax break and a subsidy is the letters used in the word. bottom line, they are both free (taxpayer) money from the government. if you want to argue semantics, you should talk to primetime or something.[/QUOTE]

The government isn't giving any money to the industry...so how are they taking your tax money?


If I get a tax break for going to school, did someone else pay for that credit or did I just get a reduction in the amount of taxes I paid? A reduction.

A subsidy is a direct payment of actual tax money to something where a tax break is a REDUCTION in the amount of taxes someone paid. Not money paid to a company from taxes.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]The government isn't giving any money to the industry...so how are they taking your tax money?


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Did you just claim the U.S. Government doesn't subsidize the Fossil-Fuel Industry? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]
A subsidy is a direct payment of actual tax money to something where a tax break is a REDUCTION in the amount of taxes someone paid. Not money paid to a company from taxes.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

really? you dont see how these are basically identical?

[QUOTE=bdreason]Did you just claim the U.S. Government doesn't subsidize the Fossil-Fuel Industry? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Find them.

And again, actual direct payments from the US government (subsidies).

Not tax deductions.

[QUOTE=Nanners]:oldlol:

really? you dont see how these are basically identical?[/QUOTE]

They're used interchangeably but there's a difference whether you want to act like it or not. You just eat up the s[COLOR="Black"]hi[/COLOR]t the media spews.

Like every other industry out there, they receive tax deductions. They receive absolutely no subsidies from the US government.

[QUOTE=boozehound]



So, we let these companies operate by paying their employees so little that they all qualify for federal assistance (effectively subsidizing walmarts labor costs) and [B][SIZE="4"]you have the audacity to call those on assistance the leeches? [/SIZE][/B]

SMFH at you. Still planning on staying on your parent's health insurance until age 26 while lambasting the affordable care act? Typical republican hypocrite. The reddest states have the highest federal $ coming back to them and the largest % of citizens on public assistance. Now, the curb federal spending governors of those states are scared shitless that the fiscal cliff will cause them to lose billions in funding. what kind of funding? oh yeah, federal funding.[/QUOTE]


You're taking what I said out of context.


Facts about Dem states:

[url]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients[/url]

[url]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec_percap-caseloads-total-recipients-per-capita[/url]

:no:

[url=http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/]Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the US.[/url]

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Find them.

And again, actual direct payments from the US government (subsidies).

Not tax deductions.[/QUOTE]


The government subsidies the Fossil-Fuel industry by giving them large tax credits in order to keep their business in the Country. The government does this with lots of industries, but it doesn't change the fact that the Government is collecting LESS tax revenue as a result of the subsidy.

[QUOTE=Scoooter][url=http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/]Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the US.[/url][/QUOTE]

Objective website. Nanners actually posted a legit study and I went through it...no subsidies like he claimed.

Those are tax breaks. Not subsidies.

[QUOTE=bdreason]The government subsidies the Fossil-Fuel industry by giving them large tax credits in order to keep their business in the Country. The government does this with lots of industries, but it doesn't change the fact that the Government is collecting LESS tax revenue as a result of the subsidy.[/QUOTE]

Subsidy=/= tax break. Right...they collect less tax revenue but it's a result of a tax BREAK. Not a subsidy. You don't pay any money to the O&G industry. Trust me.

fvcking hawker over here arguing semantics until he is blue in the face :oldlol:

hey moron....regardless of whether you want to call the handouts given to the fossil fuel industry tax breaks or subsidies.... for the US treasury, the bottom line is identical.

us taxpayers subsidize the profits of oil and gas companies. period. maybe its not a direct subsidy, but the numbers work out the same. and this is just monetary/tax subsidies, we havent even begun to talk about how the oil and gas industry externalizes their environmental and human health costs on to the US taxpayers.

[QUOTE=kentatm]no.

not even close man.[/QUOTE]

Before the Government started taxing people in order to provide "charity", the churches and private charities DID cover welfare (along with people relying on their own families).

[QUOTE=Nanners]fvcking hawker over here arguing semantics until he is blue in the face :oldlol:

hey moron....regardless of whether you want to call the handouts given to the fossil fuel industry tax breaks or subsidies.... for the US treasury, the bottom line is identical.

us taxpayers subsidize the profits of oil and gas companies. period. maybe its not a direct subsidy, but the numbers work out the same. and this is just direct subsidies, we havent even begun to talk about how the oil and gas industry externalizes their environmental and human health costs on to the US taxpayers.[/QUOTE]

How much do your taxes increase when O&G companies receive tax breaks?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]How much do your taxes increase when O&G companies receive tax breaks?[/QUOTE]


really? what a fvcking stupid question.

or maybe its not a stupid question. like they say, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

heres a question: how much have your taxes increased due to obamacare being passed? how much have your taxes increased due to the expansion of food stamps and other entitlement programs during the obama presidency?

last time I checked, virtually nobody has seen a tax increase in decades, and the govt is perfectly happy to overspend and run trillion dollar deficits every year.


here is a much better question you could have asked me: how much *would* my taxes decrease if the US govt ended tax breaks for oil and gas companies, and instead gave those tax breaks to the poor and needy? well, if that were the case, my taxes wouldnt change at all, because I am not poor or needy.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Oh, I've heard about the social contact. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it all the time.

I don't know what you meant about money-dominated view but I actually enjoy what I do. I just happen to get paid very well for it. I don't see the issue.

My brother works as an economics assistant (half grad student/half something else) and worked on a project in Chile where the government is trying to "push" citizens to start studying subjects that allow them to make more money so they can pay back the loans they receive from the government. Shouldn't people be a little more responsible and do some research about what jobs are available, salaries, job market for whatever they're studying? A "well-rounded" education (very relative term btw) is all well and good but if you're stuck paying back loans and then b[COLOR="Black"]it[/COLOR]ch about not being able to find a job (because you studied something that wasn't marketable to begin with), do you really have anything to stand on? Of course this can go in the "is college really for me" thread...[/QUOTE]


see, thats my point. My 4 yr old has heard of the social contract. the point is you have never read anything about it. How can you disagree or agree with something you dont understand/havent bothered to understand. The social contract underlies every aspect of our lives, something you take for granted.

And, no, a well-rounded education is not relative. It means a college education where you were exposed to the humanities, social sciences, life sciences, physical sciences, languages, and math. Try looking up the common core curriculum concept of Robert Hutchins. I would be willing to bet you havent read a single one of the Great Books and take the accumulated knowledge on which we rest our laurels for granted.

You looked at college as technical training (i.e. a tech school) and thats what you got out of it.

Not sure if you are talking to me, but I have no student loans and have a great job that I take great satisfaction in.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234][url]http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/09/food-stamp-use-reaches-another-high-in-september-47-7-million-participants/[/url]

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What's a shame is the shit the obese slobs that are a large part of food stamp nation are allowed to buy... frozen pizza, frozen nuggets, and cases of Big Red.[/QUOTE]
this is something I agree with. You shouldnt be able to buy soda and candy and all that shit with foodstamps. WIC is restricted to (relatively) healthy foods, why cant foodstamps.