[QUOTE=Dresta]If that is true then why does Lebron have a higher career 3 point % while taking more shots?
There is really no justification for that statement.[/QUOTE]
cause no one respects his 3 and let him shoot it uncontested :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=Dresta]If that is true then why does Lebron have a higher career 3 point % while taking more shots?
There is really no justification for that statement.[/QUOTE]
cause no one respects his 3 and let him shoot it uncontested :confusedshrug:
Its probably because Carmelo looks to score more, have no idea...
its a fact. i dont even know why lebrick stans are so mad in here. lebrick aint nothing in half court.
Melo has more of a scorer's mentality and has a more varied offensive game, it's not a shocking statement. Actually, it's pretty amazing when you look at Lebron's career scoring numbers because he's more passing-oriented than scoring-oriented in terms of mentality and instincts.
i guess half court he may have a point but no one runs the break like lebron.
lebron may be the only player in NBA history to average 30 ppg and scoring not be his best asset.
Meh. You would get a similar response from LeBron too, if asked who's tougher to guard between 'Melo and Kobe. He'd pick 'Melo in a second.
[QUOTE=BEAST Griffin]Lebron would make Kobe cry if he tried to defend him. I can see Kobe give more trouble to Carmelo.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6Paxum3pE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6Paxum3pE[/URL] :kobe: :lebronamazed:
I want to see Kobe defending the post against Lebron :lol
No, really... have no idea what Kobe is talking about, he never had any problem against Carmelo whatsoever.... but Lebron? Different story...
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Its not just the stats/wins, but watching all those games Carmelo was not able to torch Kobe/Lakers as Lebron did and neither was he able to defend Kobe as well as Lebron did, not even close... Meanwhile Kobe was able to torch & defend Carmelo more often than not, but against Lebron, no...
In those games Carmelo would avoid to defend Kobe and offensively what he did most of the time against Kobe was to face up, wait 1-2 seconds, 1 jabstep and then shoot a perimeter or midrange jumpshot... sure its hard to swat it, but thats really it.... but Lebron was doing that but did also blow by Kobe 24-7 and breaked his ankles and ragdolled him in the post backing him up... and has been defending him very well... Meanwhile Kobe was sweating his behind of trying to guard Lebron, especially when Kobe would try to full-court press defend Lebron bringing the ball up, he had to play MUCH more defense against Lebron...
[QUOTE=pauk]No, really... have no idea what Kobe is talking about, he never had any problem against Carmelo whatsoever.... but Lebron? Different story...
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Its not just the stats/wins, but watching all those games Carmelo was not able to torch Kobe/Lakers as Lebron did and neither was he able to defend Kobe as well as Lebron did, not even close... Meanwhile Kobe was able to torch & defend Carmelo more often than not, but against Lebron, no...
In those games what Carmelo did most of the time against Kobe was to face up, wait 1-2 seconds, 1 jabstep and then shoot a perimeter or midrange jumpshot... sure its hard to swat it, but thats really it.... but Lebron was doing that but did also blow by Kobe 24-7 and breaked his ankles and ragdolled him in the post backing him up... and has been defending him very well...[/QUOTE]
Kobe only care about playoffs I think, It was hard for him in 2009 vs Denver.
If you heared the interview he didn't bring LBJ name up it was SAS. He said "for me Its Melo"
those regular season games you pointed don't say much because its not like they go against each other 48 minutes.
in 2009 Lakers were without MWP, Ariza was a bit injured in that series and Kobe guard Melo the whole series. that's why I think he said it, no disrespect to Lebron.
I don't get how people can question Kobe's opinion, he plays and is actually on the court and has practice against these guys. If he thinks melo is harder to guard than who are you to question him lol
[QUOTE=White Mamba]Kobe only care about playoffs I think, It was hard for him in 2009 vs Denver.
If you heared the interview he didn't bring LBJ name up it was SAS. He said "for me Its Melo"
those regular season games you pointed don't say much because its not like they go against each other 48 minutes.
in 2009 Lakers were without MWP, Ariza was a bit injured in that series and Kobe guard Melo the whole series. that's why I think he said it, no disrespect to Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but my point is Kobe had factually MUCH more problems defending Lebron (including Durant) rather than Carmelo... speaking of Durant, playoffs & Kobe, take a look at what Durant did against Kobe in the playoffs... Lebron/Durant have been much more evil against Kobe... Carmelo has not done anything against Kobe infact, have no idea what Kobe is talking about...
What's so wrong about the statement. Lebron would be harder to handle if he posted up more but he doesn't. Mello has a much better jab step, applies more skills in the post, has more moves, gets you off balance more, and mixes up the jump shot and dribble manipulation much more. Mello is much more likely to use his combo of speed, skills, creativity and strength than Lebron will.
Lebron usually commits to the jump shot or drive. The only critical moment in defending Lebron is when he tries to victimize you with his first step to get by you (but he give you a clue as to when he will do this by backing out to the 30 foot line to begin his move). To a much lesser extent he will use his body on you in the post, but this is rare. Mello is more likely to use his strength in the post against a defender in a game than Lebron is. And this is even true when Mello is being guarded by powerforwards (Mello gets bigger players off balance and then uses his power on them). With Mello, you have no idea of when the attack will begin, which way to lean, will he continue after his first, second or third move, when will he pull up, he has no favorite spots to deny him and rarely will you see the same move twice in the same game. You don't know when he is going to spin, juke, powermove, or finesse his way. Mello is manipulating the second he gets the ball and has a great versatile attack.
Lebron has the capacity to do what Mello does but he keeps it really simple. It's unlikely you can match his power but he's much more likely to use his speed to beat you.
[QUOTE=pauk]Sure, but my point is Kobe had factually MUCH more problems defending Lebron (including Durant) rather than Carmelo... speaking of Durant, playoffs & Kobe, take a look at what Durant did against Kobe in the playoffs... Lebron/Durant have been much more evil against Kobe... Carmelo has not done anything against Kobe infact, have no idea what Kobe is talking about...[/QUOTE]
Kobe guard Westbrook for the most part, MWP guard the both players you mention.
If Kobe guard them 3 or 4 times a game it doesn't mean much.
[QUOTE=White Mamba][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6Paxum3pE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6Paxum3pE[/URL] :kobe: :lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]
Rookie LeBron.
all the lebron stans :lol trying to make sense of this
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Rookie LeBron.[/QUOTE]
Rookie? its 2006. 3rd year.
My point is Kobe won't cry guard anybody.
melo has a better chance at a longer career than lebron at this point unless lebron learns to shoot a jumper consistently
No big deal here. It's the same thing as when I heard Drexler say that Ralondo Blackmon was the toughest player for him to guard. This is not about who's the best player. It's about who is the toughest matchup. Just like in the playoffs, team X may be clearly better than team Y, but team Y, considering how they are constructed, may be a tougher matchup.
[QUOTE]pauk[/QUOTE]
What do head to head regular season numbers have to do with who is harder to defend? None of those guys are assigned to each other much anyway, so this is just based on their few in game match ups and more likely the team USA practices.
hilarious seeing all the bron fans get all worked up, pauk with the stat screenshot :roll: :roll: :roll:
lmao kobe is insecure as hell
he barely defends either
This thread shows the posters that actually have a brain(hint its not the ones getting worked up over someones opinion). I trust Kobe's opinion over anyone on a message board the man has eat, slept and lived basketball the majority of his life. Funny thing is that he didn't even bring up Lebron yet his stans always get in a fury if someone doesn't think Lebron is the MVP, defensive player of the year, 6th man of the year, father of the year whatever.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]This thread shows the posters that actually have a brain(hint its not the ones getting worked up over someones opinion). [B]I trust Kobe's opinion over anyone on a message board the man has eat, slept and lived basketball the majority of his life[/B]. Funny thing is that he didn't even bring up Lebron yet his stans always get in a fury if someone doesn't think Lebron is the MVP, defensive player of the year, 6th man of the year, father of the year whatever.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much it. If Kobe himself is saying Melo is a tougher cover for him, who are any of us to say otherwise?! :facepalm
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]This thread shows the posters that actually have a brain(hint its not the ones getting worked up over someones opinion). I trust Kobe's opinion over anyone on a message board the man has eat, slept and lived basketball the majority of his life. Funny thing is that he didn't even bring up Lebron yet his stans always get in a fury if someone doesn't think Lebron is the MVP, defensive player of the year, 6th man of the year, father of the year whatever.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=stallionaire]lmao kobe is insecure as hell
he barely defends either[/QUOTE]
this. and never really has.
[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]This is pretty much it. If Kobe himself is saying Melo is a tougher cover for him, who are any of us to say otherwise?! :facepalm[/QUOTE]
he doesnt defend lebron and melo and really never has in his career.
[QUOTE=boozehound]he doesnt defend lebron and melo and really never has in his career.[/QUOTE]
Kobe guard Melo for the whole 6 games of the 2009 WCF.
He never said anything about guarding LBJ, SAS asked that.
He mention Melo and Pierce, both players that he guard during 3 huge series in the Lakers 3 finals.
Kobe rarely guards melo or lebron because they play different positions. The only time I remember kobe guarding melo is a couple of games of the 2009 WCF. And I remember kobe doing a decent job on melo. Lebron defends kobe really well more often than not, because he's bigger faster and stronger.
But melo gives lebron fits. They actually play the same position and actually have gone head to head most of their career, especially when lebron was a cav and melo a nugget.
Lately though, spo will put Battier on Melo a lot to allow Lebron to save energy and stay out of foul trouble.
:lol LBJ stans going ham in this thread....relax guys...its not an insult to your god.
If the man thinks Melo is harder to defend in the halfcourt than Lebron (which I agree), who am I to say no when he's the one who's played against them?
[QUOTE=boozehound]he doesnt defend lebron and melo and really never has in his career.[/QUOTE]
He's defended both on occasions, and he's stated who he thinks is the tougher cover. We really gonna argue about the man's own words?
[QUOTE=Replay32]Kobe rarely guards melo or lebron because they play different positions. The only time I remember kobe guarding melo is a couple of games of the 2009 WCF. And I remember kobe doing a decent job on melo. Lebron defends kobe really well more often than not, because he's bigger faster and stronger.
But melo gives lebron fits. They actually play the same position and actually have gone head to head most of their career, especially when lebron was a cav and melo a nugget.
Lately though, spo will put Battier on Melo a lot to allow Lebron to save energy and stay out of foul trouble.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Melo shot in the 30's, percentage-wise when guarded by lebron in the playoffs last year. He had a much easier time with Battier guarding him.
[QUOTE=chazzy]What do head to head regular season numbers have to do with who is harder to defend? None of those guys are assigned to each other much anyway, so this is just based on their few in game match ups and more likely the team USA practices.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
How hard someone is to defend for an individual is subjective and therefore can not be quantified
[QUOTE=RJChPD]Actually, Melo shot in the 30's, percentage-wise when guarded by lebron in the playoffs last year. He had a much easier time with Battier guarding him.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense and I'm not surprised. My point was since they have Battier now, Lebron doesn't have to guard Melo the whole game anymore which allows him to save a little more energy.
I wonder who Bryant thinks is harder to defend at his position.
I would think it's Iverson, McGrady, or Wade. Maybe even Carter (I'm talking about his past rivals too).
[QUOTE=boozehound]he doesnt defend lebron and melo and really never has in his career.[/QUOTE]
How is it possible for someone to be this retarded?
[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]He's defended both on occasions, and he's stated who he thinks is the tougher cover. We really gonna argue about the man's own words?[/QUOTE]
Don't you know posters on ISH know more about Kobe than Kobe himself! This site is filled with some unbelievable tools. :facepalm