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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]'11 ECF vs the No. 1 Defense Chicago Bulls
Wade: 18.8 PPG/2.2 APG/4.0 TO/.405%FG/.200%3PT[/QUOTE]
Wade through out his career struggles v.s. Chicago.
Pretty sure it's a mental thing regarding playing his hometown team.
He still made some clutch ass buckets and defensive stops in that series, even given his poor play that series.
Top 5 for sure.
When he came back in 2008 after the injury the hunger and focus I saw in wade was just amazing. He was never in a position to win an mvp or take his team far in the playoffs but the player I saw that year would easily rival any of the top players all time. Impact on the court was unreal, was a blur on the court doing something during every play and was relentless on defense and on offense.
money23 I will rep you the next chance I get. You are always on point
Wade is overrated. I've never seen a players career be based on one year and one series as much as Wade.
[QUOTE]Warriors coach Mark Jackson endeared himself to Heat fans Wednesday when he called Dwyane Wade the third-best shooting guard to ever play the game.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade is overrated. I've never seen a players career be based on one year and one series as much as Wade.[/QUOTE]
Go ahead an elaborate on that, pleiboi.
But I already know you aren't the sharpest tool in the bunch, considering you probably think Pippen is better than Wade. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade is overrated. I've never seen a players career be based on one year and one series as much as Wade.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Huh?
He busted out in his rookie playoffs.
Took his game to superstar level in the 2005 season.
Surpassed Shaq as alpha in the 2005 playoffs, almost lead the Heat past the defending champ, Pistons.
2006 Top Five Player, dominated the playoffs, and Finals (yes with questionable officiating)
2007 was MVP caliber (pre shoulder injury)
2008 was a mixed bag due to injuries
2008 Olympics was arguably Team USA's best player, super clutch
2009 was MVP caliber, as good or better than any Kobe or LeBron season
2010 Top 5 Player
2011 Top 5 Player again
WTF are you smoking on "a career based on one season"?!
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWFIGhD980[/url][/QUOTE]
He was just trolling, there. :lol
[QUOTE=PJR]Go ahead an elaborate on that, pleiboi.
But I already know you aren't the sharpest tool in the bunch, considering you probably think Pippen is better than Wade. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
All of Wades a accomplishments are based on that questionable ref given Finals in 06' and his 09 season. How many all defense 1st and all nba 1st teams does he have?
[QUOTE=Money 23]:biggums:
Huh?
He busted out in his rookie playoffs.
Took his game to superstar level in the 2005 season.
Surpassed Shaq as alpha in the 2005 playoffs, almost lead the Heat past the defending champ, Pistons.
2006 Top Five Player, dominated the playoffs, and Finals (yes with questionable officiating)
2007 was MVP caliber (pre shoulder injury)
2008 was a mixed bag due to injuries
2008 Olympics was arguably Team USA's best player, super clutch
2009 was MVP caliber, as good or better than any Kobe or LeBron season
2010 Top 5 Player
2011 Top 5 Player again
WTF are you smoking on "a career based on one season"?![/QUOTE]
This is a resume?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]All of Wades a accomplishments are based on that questionable ref given Finals in 06' and his 09 season. How many all defense 1st and all nba 1st teams does he have?[/QUOTE]
Are all defensive teams accomplishments make or break a player?
He is short on 1st team selections because he competed against Kobe for basically his entire career, and Kobe's resume makes him the 2nd best SG of all-time.
Let's admit, you're just a bitter hater. Dwyane Wade as an individual player is better than Scottie Pippen.
Get over it, already. Your agenda is clear.
[QUOTE=red1]Stop posting mang, you are wrong on both counts.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Money 23]Are all defensive teams accomplishments that make or break a player?
He is short on 1st team selections because he competed against Kobe for basically his entire career, and Kobe's resume makes him the 2nd best SG of all-time.
Let's admit, you're just a bitter hater. Dwyane Wade as an individual player is better than Scottie Pippen.
Get over it, already. Your agenda is clear.[/QUOTE]
What do I have to be bitter about? Pippen and Wade never played each other. I hate that the Heat beat the Bulls in 11. But that was all James. The Heat won that series in spite of Wade.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]What do I have to be bitter about? Pippen and Wade never played each other. I hate that the Heat beat the Bulls in 11. But that was all James. The Heat won that series in spite of Wade.[/QUOTE]
I just feel like you always have a not so hidden agenda in propping up Pippen.
Wade is easily an all-time great, and it isn't based off one series, or one season.
Wade has a nice resume, especially given context. He competed against the 2nd best SG of all-time, and against arguably the best SF of all-time (a top five talent / player all-time) during his prime for a number of seasons.
Wade did well, and held his own against both. Wade's competition at his position, is superior to what Pippen faced competitively at his position from '91 - '98.
I think you're being down right disrespectful to Wade's game, and career.
[QUOTE=Money 23]Are all defensive teams accomplishments make or break a player?
He is short on 1st team selections because he competed against Kobe for basically his entire career, and Kobe's resume makes him the 2nd best SG of all-time.
Let's admit, you're just a bitter hater. Dwyane Wade as an individual player is [B]better than Scottie Pippen[/B].
Get over it, already. Your agenda is clear.[/QUOTE]
This kid is clearly trolling :oldlol:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This is a resume?[/QUOTE]
Don't even know what you're trying to say.
[QUOTE=Money 23]I just feel like you always have a not so hidden agenda in propping up Pippen.
Wade is easily an all-time great, and it isn't based off one series, or one season.
Wade has a nice resume, especially given context. He competed against the 2nd best SG of all-time, and against arguably the best SF of all-time (a top five talent / player all-time) during his prime for a number of seasons.
Wade did well, and held his own against both. Wade's competition at his position, is superior to what Pippen faced competitively at his position from '91 - '98.
I think you're being down right disrespectful to Wade's game, and career.[/QUOTE]
This isnt a whos better between Wade and Pippen debate bro. But dont get me wrong. Wades a great player. But hes not on the level of West. And a strong argument can be made for Drexler.
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Drexler
5. Gervin
6. AI
7. Miller
8. Wade
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Don't even know what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE]
Im saying its not a resume bro. A bunch of excuses
[QUOTE=97 bulls] And a strong argument can be made for Drexler.[/QUOTE]
Then make it.
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Don't even know what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE]
Wade has five legit seasons where he was a top five player in the league.
How many players can make a claim similar? That is all the resume he needs, right there.
[QUOTE=Money 23]Wade has 5 legit seasons where he was a top five player in the league.
How many people can make a claim of the opposite? That is all the resume he needs, right there.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, Wade was on the same level as Kobe and Lebron when he was healthy, and has seasons comparable to their best seasons yet you have people that think Pippen and Miller are better than him? Really? :facepalm
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade is overrated. I've never seen a players career be based on one year and one series as much as Wade.[/QUOTE]
Overrated? You serious? It is basically a fact that he is underrated, and was underrated his whole career.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This isnt a whos better between Wade and Pippen debate bro. But dont get me wrong. Wades a great player. But hes not on the level of West. And a strong argument can be made for Drexler.[/QUOTE]
Drexler was not as good as wade. Guaranteed wade would've gone much harder at jordan, drexler got embarrased every time. Apha dog mentality is not just sports lingo, wade is an alpha dog and drexler is not. West can only be compared relative to eras but we all know who would be drafted first.
[QUOTE=Young X]Exactly, Wade was on the same level as Kobe and Lebron when he was healthy, and has seasons comparable to their best seasons yet you have people that think Pippen and Miller are better than him? Really? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Wade has never been considered the best player in the league. NEVER
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade has never been considered the best player in the league. NEVER[/QUOTE]
Hence he is underrated.
If it weren't for that damn freak shoulder injury, Wade's case would be so much stronger. This Clyde Drexler shit would be even more laughable than it is now.
He was cookin' in 2006-07. Had like 28-7-5 on 49% shooting thru like the first 40 games, and then he ran into Shane Battier. Dislocation, torn labrum :banghead: That robbed him of a year and half of his prime, because he delayed the surgery.
He would be looking at sustained greatness of 9 or 10 straight years now, instead of like 8.5 years. But I digress.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade has never been considered the best player in the league. NEVER[/QUOTE]
Not sure why you say that. Mike thought he was the MVP in 2009 (and arguably the best player in the league). Dude was bananas that season: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66lVkgiU1zQ[/url]
[QUOTE=red1]Overrated? You serious? It is basically a fact that he is underrated, and was underrated his whole career.
Drexler was not as good as wade. Guaranteed wade would've gone much harder at jordan, drexler got embarrased every time. Apha dog mentality is not just sports lingo, wade is an alpha dog and drexler is not. West can only be compared relative to eras but we all know who would be drafted first.[/QUOTE]
Kirk Hinrich got into Wades ass in his prime. But were supposed to believe he hang with Jordan.
Alpha dog? He conspired with another player to lead him to a championship. Even bowed out as the all important "alpha dog". Drexler never did that. And hes not on Jerry West level.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Kirk Hinrich got into Wades ass in his prime. But were supposed to believe he hang with Jordan.
Alpha dog? He conspired with another player to lead him to a championship. Even bowed out as the all important "alpha dog". Drexler never did that. And hes not on Jerry West level.[/QUOTE]
You are ridiculous.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Not sure why you say that. Mike thought he was the MVP in 2009 (and arguably the best player in the league). Dude was bananas that season: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66lVkgiU1zQ[/url][/QUOTE]
I wouldnt put much stock in Jordan's opinion on talent. His evaluation of talent hasnt done anything for the Bobcats.
In his prime I rank him above Kobe. The only reason he isn't higher is because he has had a much shorter prime. Wade really is one of the best shooting guards to ever play the game. He's just been really banged up because of his style of play.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wade has never been considered the best player in the league. NEVER[/QUOTE]
He's been in the talks, which is good enough.
And was competing against an all time great season FROM A TOP FIVE PLAYER EVER for MVP in 2009.
2006 / 2007 / 2009 / 2010 / 2011 were best player in the league caliber seasons.
People keep forgetting his 2007 season before injury. I remember him out playing Kobe on Christmas Day, too.
He was putting up 27 / 8 / 8 a game, and what seemed like 2 blocks a game, carrying the Shaq-less Miami Heat. Next best players being old as dirt GP, Antoine Walker, and Jason Williams.
2009 is a season that stands up with Kobe's best ever (2003 / 2008) and holds it's own with LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012 apart from team record and team accomplishment
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Kirk Hinrich got into Wades ass in his prime. But were supposed to believe he hang with Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Kirk Hinrich is one of the best on ball defenders of all-time, believe it or not.
Shame he has no all defensive team selections. If he wasn't coming up in such a soft defensive rules era, in the 90s where you could check people ... his defense would've been absurd.
Hinrich also gives lighting quick players like D-Rose trouble, too. I've seen him in person put Kobe on lock down.
Is Kobe not an all-time great, either?
Nothing objective points to Wade never being a candidate for best player in the league. He led his team to a championship, won FMVP, put up all-time great numbers, top 3 in MVP voting, top 3 in DPOY voting, led the league in scoring, great playoff peformances, etc...
Jordan
Bryant
West
Allen Iverson/Dwyane Wade
[QUOTE=PJR]If it weren't for that damn freak shoulder injury, Wade's case would be so much stronger. This Clyde Drexler shit would be even more laughable than it is now.
He was cookin' in 2006-07. Had like 28-7-5 on 49% shooting thru like the first 40 games, and then he ran into Shane Battier. Dislocation, torn labrum :banghead: That robbed him of a year and half of his prime, because he delayed the surgery.
He would be looking at sustained greatness of 9 or 10 straight years now, instead of like 8.5 years. But I digress.[/QUOTE]
The League changed the rules for players like Wade.
[QUOTE=NLZ]Jordan
Bryant
West
Allen Iverson/Dwyane Wade[/QUOTE]
My friend, Iverson is not even a debate. Wade>AI on offense and rebounding, >>>>> when it comes to defense.
[QUOTE=Young X]Nothing objective points to Wade never being a candidate for best player in the league. He led his team to a championship, won FMVP, put up all-time great numbers, top 3 in MVP voting, top 3 in DPOY voting, led the league in scoring, great playoff peformances, etc...[/QUOTE]
Exactly. People need to start thinking for themselves and making their own judgements when watching the game. Not winning an mvp doesn't mean that you were never the best player in the league. It is possible to win the mvp even though another player is out there playing just as well as you are.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]The League changed the rules for players like Wade.[/QUOTE]
Spare me this nonsense.
Dwyane Wade would cook an any era. And I mean any era. He's a transcendent talent.
There was handchecking in Wade's rookie year, and he was still one of the more electrifying rookies in the business, and clearly bound for superstardom.
There's A reason Shaq was cool with being traded to Miami. He saw it too.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]The League changed the rules for players like Wade.[/QUOTE]
Most legit point you have made in this thread, but Wade still is an all-time great.