"Rape Crew" in small town Ohio

[QUOTE=Droid101]You're the last person we can trust on this, really. The football culture invades everyone in small towns like that and leads them to defend stupid things and cover up worse ones.

See: Penn State.

Regarding Jim Parks:[/QUOTE]
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So, you are just going to believe it? That's it. He's involved in a meticulous teenage raping ring and the evidence is a picture of a girl who looks very little like a girl in a town nowhere close to Steubenville who was apparently raped?

This is exactly the mindset I'm talking about. Go download his emails and I defy you to find anything remotely relating to any kind of rape ring in any of them. Or, you could just believe it because some anonymous person on the Internet said so.

It is absurd.

[QUOTE=Myth]Where are the people in the town defending the victim? :confusedshrug:

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to the media to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.[/QUOTE]

The outrage immediately following the alleged incident (which happened six months ago) was palpable in the city. Much of the community -- myself included -- had nothing but condemnation about what was alleged and expressed a massive amount of sympathy for the girl.

My feelings haven't changed about the girl and the kids involved. What has changed is the narrative being exploited by the media. It is hard not to get defensive when people are essentially accusing you of being an accomplice to a rape.

This case is no longer strictly about the incident. It has become a hit-piece on an entire city, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything involving any of this stuff.

I'm just going to reserve judgement. Anonymous is a bunch of hackers, I think they are using this rape incident, as a way to try to take down an entire city.

That would be the "ultimate hack".

As for the Sheriff and Coach, there's no evidence that they are covering up. Basically a hacker said so. The hacker did right by retrieving those videos and tweets but he is using those hacked evidence as his credibility.

You can't really believe what he says just because he retrieved the evidence.

It's like returning a purse but keeping a credit card.

RBA playing right to every stereotype/narrative about small town enablers right now.

no one fabricated those tweets.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]



The outrage immediately following the alleged incident (which happened six months ago) was palpable in the city. Much of the community -- myself included -- had nothing but condemnation about what was alleged and expressed a massive amount of sympathy for the girl.

My feelings haven't changed about the girl and the kids involved. What has changed is the narrative being exploited by the media. It is hard not to get defensive when people are essentially accusing you of being an accomplice to a rape.

This case is no longer strictly about the incident. It has become a hit-piece on an entire city, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything involving any of this stuff.[/QUOTE]

That makes sense. When I was stating that I disliked the people of the town, I wasn't accusing them of being accomplices. It was more the lack of support for the victim that I was hearing. I'd still like to see more of a voice of outrage on the part of supporters for the victim in the town in the media. I'm aware the media can manipulate that stuff, but with enough of a push, their voices can be heard, which would also bring more integrity to the town that feels their names are being dragged through the mud.

[QUOTE=heyhey]RBA playing right to every stereotype/narrative about small town enablers right now.

no one fabricated those tweets.[/QUOTE]
The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football. This goes way beyond some kids playing a game on Friday night.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football.[/QUOTE]

You should reserve judgement as well before you defend those people. We all just have to wait and see if that high school is like Penn State.

[QUOTE=Myth]That makes sense. When I was stating that I disliked the people of the town, I wasn't accusing them of being accomplices. It was more the lack of support for the victim that I was hearing. I'd still like to see more of a voice of outrage on the part of supporters for the victim in the town in the media. I'm aware the media can manipulate that stuff, but with enough of a push, their voices can be heard, which would also bring more integrity to the town that feels their names are being dragged through the mud.[/QUOTE]
The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is certainly good to hear.

In a small community like that, somebody usually knows what everyone is up to. Who supplied the kids with drugs? Small community like that, they should be able to know who brings drugs into that town.

We don't know what's going to happen. It may open up a new can of worms. More things may come out about that community.:facepalm

[QUOTE=9erempiree]You should reserve judgement as well before you defend those people. We all just have to wait and see if that high school is like Penn State.[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending any of the people with involvement in this thing. The coach, the sheriff... They aren't on trial. They haven't been formally charged with anything, because there is no evidence they did anything wrong.

I do agree that everyone should reserve judgement until the trial. Unfortunately, that cat is kind of out of the bag, at this point.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The city has been put completely on the defensive by the way this has been handled in the media, myself included... And I don't even live there any more. Still, you will find plenty of support for her from Steubenville residents on social media like Facebook and Twitter... And the rally that was held last week consisted of mostly Steubenville people. That wasn't how it was portrayed because it didn't fit the media narrative, but I happen to know it was the case. There was a massive organizational effort in Steubenville to get people out and to support the girl, many of whom I'm friends with on FB.[/QUOTE]
How many of the aggressors have been booted from the High School? How much public shaming do they receive on a daily basis?

Or are they still just the High School Football (or Baseball) heroes?

[QUOTE=9erempiree]In a small community like that, somebody usually knows what everyone is up to. Who supplied the kids with drugs? Small community like that, they should be able to know who brings drugs into that town.

We don't know what's going to happen. It may open up a new can of worms. More things may come out about that community.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
There are no accusations of drugs being involved, as far as I know. There was allegedly alcohol at the party. Haven't heard anything beyond that.

And, Steubenville has big-city issues. Drugs have been rampant for decades. It would probably be easier for kids to get than alcohol, to be completely honest.

One more thing I got to say for those passing judgement on the town........

Why the fcuk are you guys believing a story from a hacker?

They did right by getting evidence but that doesn't mean they are credible sources. They are hackers after all.

Hackers.

[QUOTE=Droid101]How many of the aggressors have been booted from the High School? How much public shaming do they receive on a daily basis?

Or are they still just the High School Football (or Baseball) heroes?[/QUOTE]
The public shaming is in progress. I think five kids have been suspended from school.

None are currently involved in any sport.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The public shaming is in progress. I think five kids have been suspended from school.
[B]
None are currently involved in any sport[/B].[/QUOTE]

Too bad Coach Reno was dragged into this. He seems like a man of integrity.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The tweets were disgusting and I have nothing but rage toward those who issued them. If you want to talk about the specifics of the case or those involved, either directly by allegedly doing the deed or indirectly by talking about it on the Internet, I'm game... And I'm sure we will come to the same conclusions.

I can't describe to you the level of disdain I have for those kids.


What I'm responding to are these broad strokes being used on an entire community without an iota of proof to back-up claims of a city-wide cover-up. Obviously, I'm going to respond to that, because while I no longer live or work in the area, I still consider myself a member of that community and many of my loved ones (family and friends) live or are from there.

These accusations aren't just about some random place I've never heard of. I know the area intimately and I even know some of the people being wrongfully implicated. Of course I'm going to speak to that. It has nothing to do with football. This goes way beyond some kids playing a game on Friday night.[/QUOTE]

It just seems wrong at face value to me that the two kids who did most of the tweeting are still walking free especially if it's true that one of them was the girl's ex and had an axe to grind. Assuming these facts are correct and about them being from well connected families too, then something seems plainly off to me. maybe it's my own suspicious disposition but with all this public scrutiny now, I will reserve judgement and went for the facts to come out.

I'm at work, guys... I'll be able to talk more later.

I don't know who to believe. I did my own investigation and the names that were mentioned on that "leak" site were indeed football players. RedandBlack said 5 were arrested and were not athletes.

Here is the school's 2012 roster. If you do a search with the names you will see a majority of the alleged rapist, are on the team.

[url]http://www.rollredroll.com/BigRed2k10.htm[/url]

Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.

[QUOTE=iamgine]Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.[/QUOTE]
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[quote]After being convinced, with some amount of coaxing

[QUOTE=iamgine]Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.[/QUOTE]
It was a real rape and, hopefully, if these allegations end up being accurate, the kids are punished to the fullest extent of the law. "Fingers" constitute real rape, which is what the prosecution is alleging. It doesn't have to be full-on penetration.

The above article is basically a fantasy, which is really creepy.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]I don't know who to believe. I did my own investigation and the names that were mentioned on that "leak" site were indeed football players. RedandBlack said 5 were arrested and were not athletes.

Here is the school's 2012 roster. If you do a search with the names you will see a majority of the alleged rapist, are on the team.

[url]http://www.rollredroll.com/BigRed2k10.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
That roster is from the beginning of the season. No alleged rapists played a down for the team. In fact, only two teenagers are being accused of partaking in the rape. Those are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, who have been in custody since mid-August.

Others are being implicated for either being at the party and not stopping it or tweeting about it on the Internet.

these guys are screwed. especially that idiot on camera thinking he was funny....

i'm just not sure how this football team makes so much money for that town :wtf:

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]It was a real rape and, hopefully, if these allegations end up being accurate, the kids are punished to the fullest extent of the law. "Fingers" constitute real rape, which is what the prosecution is alleging. It doesn't have to be full-on penetration.

The above article is basically a fantasy, which is really creepy.[/QUOTE]
I can understand your defensive tone, but it really doesnt help the situation. If the above story is fantasy (i.e. wholly fabricated), then how does a video of it exist? I am not saying the extreme conspiracy is accurate (though it fairly believable that a football town would be willing to cover some shit up), but there does seem to be more to it than just the basic charges that have been filed so far. It will be interesting to see what all the hacked evidence really adds up to.

So, in summary, both you and the conspiracy defenders arent doing anyone any favors from your already made up POVs.

NY Times reporting that coach Reno knows about it and have said the other players who were taking pictures were "at the wrong place at the wrong time."

It seems the coach knew the kids were there and present but since they didn't do anything to the victim, they were still allowed on the team.

Don't read the other links....here's one more credible....the New York Times.

It's very chilling and we may have another Sandusky trial. I'm not saying this has been happening for years but the kids got caught through social media.

They didn't have social media back in the days and if the feds get involved....there may be more victims coming out.

Here's the link from NY Times

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url]

[QUOTE]This season, the coach, who is used to winning, had to do without Mays and Richmond. But others who were at the parties and might have witnessed the suspected assault continued to play on the team. Saccoccia, a 63-year-old who brims with bravado, was the sole person in charge of determining whether any players would be punished. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Saccoccia, pronounced SOCK-otch, told the principal and school superintendent that the players who posted online photographs and comments about the girl the night of the parties said they did not think they had done anything wrong. Because of that, he said, he had no basis for benching those players. [/QUOTE]

The kids watched but did not partake, so coach didn't think they did anything wrong. Sounds like Penn State. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, just bringing up what the NY Times are saying. The kids were later suspended 8 games into the season.

In summary the two "alleged rapist" were suspended from the team. The other two (witness), as mentioned above, stayed on the and was suspended after they were 8 games into the season. Why the coach even kept the witnesses on the team is weird. They didn't do anything to stop it.

[QUOTE] Neither Mays nor Richmond had a record, the police said, and each had numerous community members testify as character witnesses for them at the hearing in which the judge determined they should be tried as juveniles, not as adults.

Saccoccia was one of those witnesses, as was Michael Haney, the school

Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen!

[quote]Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not “do the Internet,” so he had not seen the comments and photographs posted online from that night. When asked again about the players involved and why he chose not to discipline them, he became agitated.

“You made me mad now,” he said, throwing in several expletives as he walked from the high school to his car.

Nearly nose to nose with a reporter, he growled: [B]“You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”[/B][/quote]

[QUOTE=9erempiree][B]The kids watched but did not partake, so coach didn't think they did anything wrong.[/B] Sounds like Penn State. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, just bringing up what the NY Times are saying. The kids were later suspended 8 games into the season.

In summary the two "alleged rapist" were suspended from the team. The other two (witness), as mentioned above, stayed on the and was suspended after they were 8 games into the season. Why the coach even kept the witnesses on the team is weird. They didn't do anything to stop it.



Looks like the coach is going to be a character witness. I don't know how this works. I don't know why the coach would say they are good kids when there is video and photo evidence.

He could be a character witness, as in, how the kids' character were before this incident.[/QUOTE]

Just read the NYT report; this is some chilling stuff. The bolded in particular is alarming.

Looks like RedBlackAttack was incorrect after all. It's true that two of them were suspended from playing, but not until 8 games into the season (out of 10 games). Whoopty doo!

[QUOTE=Droid101]Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen![/QUOTE]

Yea a true role model!

Here's some tweets from the Rape Crew and the parents of one of the boys:

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The most shocking thing is these kids were caught on social media and you would think the parents would learn from this. Here is the parent's making their own mistake on social media as well.:facepalm

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Father's FB

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I hope Michael Nodianos has to try to sleep through a wang in the butthole when he gets to prison.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]

[IMG]http://www.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RICHMONDS-DADDY-FB.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
They probably just need to reboot and try again.

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[QUOTE=Droid101]Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen![/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what the definition of a model citizen is, but I would certainly say that he is a great person having known the man for all of my 33 years.

I don't know exactly what happened with the New York Times reporter, but I've heard that he was being absolutely hounded for days by these people and repeatedly gave a no comment. He was walking to his car and two reporters approached him and an argument ensued, with several people -- including the reporters -- involved.

Regardless, he isn't being baselessly accused of saying a mean thing to a reporter. I will ask again -- How is an argument with a reporter proof of involvement in a rape case?

At least you've gone beyond the localleaks nonsense, though, and have started to read articles with standards, bylines, etc. I just don't think a person's entire life and 40 years of service to a community should be wiped away because of a quote in a newspaper. Then again, I actually know the man.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Looks like RedBlackAttack was incorrect after all. It's true that two of them were suspended from playing, but not until 8 games into the season (out of 10 games). Whoopty doo![/QUOTE]

When did I say more than two (or any) were suspended from playing football? I said, when it came to light that these guys had admitted to being at the party (they had previously denied it), they were suspended from school (and obviously extracurricular activities).


The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
That's all we wanted to hear.

***** ass fvcking kids.. Should go right to the pen. See how big they feel there.

don't worry guys, when they get in jail i paid a couple of inmates to do my bidding.
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[QUOTE=Droid101]That's all we wanted to hear.[/QUOTE]
When did I say or even insinuate otherwise? My gripe comes from the unfounded claims by hackers and nameless bloggers that other people were involved when there was never a shred of proof behind it and an entire city of people being colored with the same brush unjustly.

I've always been very clear that I have no sympathy for those involved, either directly or indirectly.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]That roster is from the beginning of the season. No alleged rapists played a down for the team. In fact, only two teenagers are being accused of partaking in the rape. Those are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, who have been in custody since mid-August.

Others are being implicated for either being at the party and not stopping it or tweeting about it on the Internet.[/QUOTE]

Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

[IMG]http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/steubenville-football.jpg?w=620&h=407[/IMG]


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season :confusedshrug: How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily