Dwight Howard does not get touches...

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]I'm not saying bynum would been better with dantoni. nor am I saying that lakers shouldn't have made that trade because Bynum's injury concern is always a nagging concern and you can't pencil him in for 70 games a season

what I'm saying is that in a vacuum, ignoring injuries, Bynum is a much more talented offensive big than Dwight Howard. And Dwight Howard has been dissapointing given his hype, regardless of Andrew's production.

I just don't respect Howard's game, flat out. I think he's the serendipitous product of an era where the two guys that should have legitimately dominated the center position, Andrew Bynum and Greg Oden, were both afflicted with terrible injuries.[/QUOTE]

Ok, fair enough and we're on the same page as far as the first part. I don't agree with everything you said, though because without injuries, we may still be seeing 2011 Dwight. That Dwight was a better offensive player than Bynum, maybe not more skilled, but the huge difference in mobility and athleticism makes up for that, imo. Dwight wasn't only an MVP candidate in 2011 because of his defense, that was the year his offense was pretty close to catching up to his defense.

I would have liked to have seen Bynum and Oden without injuries, both have/had a ton of potential, but you're also forgetting Yao. What we saw from him in early '06-'07 gave a glimpse of a potential MVP center. Yao would still only be 32, and he's essentially been done since his injury in the '09 playoffs.

Dwight isn't skilled or talented enough to average 25/15. His best years were a mere fluke because somebody had to score on marginally talented teams like his Magic. He is now being exposed for the glorified role player that he is. A glorified Mutombo with less shot blocking basically. He ain't no superstar.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Ok, fair enough and we're on the same page as far as the first part. I don't agree with everything you said, though because without injuries, we may still be seeing 2011 Dwight. That Dwight was a better offensive player than Bynum, maybe not more skilled, but the huge difference in mobility and athleticism makes up for that, imo. Dwight wasn't only an MVP candidate in 2011 because of his defense, that was the year his offense was pretty close to catching up to his defense.

I would have liked to have seen Bynum and Oden without injuries, both have/had a ton of potential, but you're also forgetting Yao. What we saw from him in early '06-'07 gave a glimpse of a potential MVP center. Yao would still only be 32, and he's essentially been done since his injury in the '09 playoffs.[/QUOTE]

drew lost a ton of mobility and athleticism following his first injury. Whether that was just a unavoidable result of his anatomy or some freak accident is debatable but he never regained his hops or agility after that.

Yao too, he always played Dwight hard when they matched up. Even an old Shaq was able to give dwight fits.

Anyway I'm very excited about the new generation of bigs in this league, there's an influx of talent at the center position in a way that was missing in the 2000s. Guys like Monroe, Cousins, Drummond, Asik, are all incredibly promising and have the right balance of size/coordination/touch. U should be pretty happy as well since I remember you mention you are a fan of the post game.

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]drew lost a ton of mobility and athleticism following his first injury. Whether that was just a unavoidable result of his anatomy or some freak accident is debatable but he never regained his hops or agility after that.

Yao too, he always played Dwight hard when they matched up. Even an old Shaq was able to give dwight fits.

Anyway I'm very excited about the new generation of bigs in this league, there's an influx of talent at the center position in a way that was missing in the 2000s. Guys like Monroe, Cousins, Drummond, Asik, are all incredibly promising and have the right balance of size/coordination/touch. U should be pretty happy as well since I remember you mention you are a fan of the post game.[/QUOTE]

You're right, Drew was much more athletic before his '08 injury. Personally, I think Yao would have been the best of the 4, with his post scoring, soft touch at 7'6" and his improved physicality around the '06 season which resulted in a lot of free throws that he knocked down at 85%. That's just such a unique skill set. Obviously, he had chronic injury problems, but I wonder what would have happened had he not landed on a Clipper player's foot in '06-'07 and played for the Chinese team. That injury that in '06-'07 was actually a freak injury and he did bounce back from it and come back healthy for the playoffs, but prior to that, he was putting up 27/10 and carrying Houston on his back with Van Gundy running so much through him and T-Mac injured and unproductive to start that season. I just hope his injuries don't affect his quality of life too much at this point.

Another thing about Yao is that he was a better teammate and more humble than guys like Howard, Bynum and Cousins. You are right, though, there's some interesting young big men with a lot of potential. A key is health because so many talented big men get injured, or in Cousins case, his head. I have to watch more Piston games. I have liked what I've seen from Monroe the last few years, especially his passing which is no surprise coming from Georgetown. From what I've heard, and the little I've seen Drummond seems to be a lot better than I thought. Based on his play at UConn, I didn't think he was ready to contribute in the NBA.

Nash is really trying to find a balence. He seems to force the ball downlow to Dwight early in the games, run pick and rolsl later in 2nd and third quarter, and try to let kobe fully establish himself later in the game by finding him in post ups.

People don't see that Dwight get's stripped of the too much and too easily? That's why he doesn't get enough touches in most games.

[QUOTE=KingLeBronJames]People don't see that Dwight get's stripped of the too much and too easily? That's why he doesn't get enough touches in most games.[/QUOTE]

How are people calculating touches? Based on box score FG attempts?

You people need to realize that he gets stripped, fouled, or fumbles the ball before the FG attempt is even able to be recorded. When he fumbles the ball, its a turnover on the other guy.

If you calculate everything, he gets more than 40 touches a game.

Kobe on the other hand, just shoots the ball when he gets it, so he probably gets around 25 touches a game. (Plus a few more with his assists)

The problem isn't Howard not getting touches, I think the main issue here is how and when he does.

You simply can't just feed him the ball and have him go to work, he's not polished in the post. If he doesn't get good position he's not gonna be as effective.

The Lakers have to run plays that make him more of a threat, plays that the Magic ran, ya'll know, when he was actually considered the best most dominant player in the league. And those are high pick and rolls.

If you put Howard on the top and run pick and rolls with either he and Kobe, he and Pau or he and Nash he'll be hard to stop once he gets a running start to the rim and the defense is on its toes in trying to decide who to cover. The triangle gave its big men these type of looks, it put pressure on the defense and forced them to pick their poison. What this new system does, is force one on one play which is why Kobe is taking so many shots. It isn't Kobe's fault entirely, since the proper sets aren't called. If there isn't high pick and rolls, coming off curls, or other sets called on a consistent basis Kobe will be in more one on one situations and he'll take advantage of that.

They truly need Nash to handle the ball more, have Pau and/or Dwight setting screens while Kobe flashes through. He can read the court the best and make the proper decisions and execute.

The best scenario is a more balanced attack, better ball movement, higher quality shots and a willingness to play cohesive and determined defense, since offense and defense are correlated.

[QUOTE=andgar923]
They truly need Nash to handle the ball more[/QUOTE]
He's the primary ball handler now

[QUOTE=chazzy]He's the primary ball handler now[/QUOTE]

didn't say he wasn't. I said he needs to handle it "more".

[QUOTE=andgar923]didn't say he wasn't. I said he needs to handle it "more".[/QUOTE]
How much more? He had 13 assists last night and is averaging 9 a game in 32 mins. The offense has been fine.

[QUOTE=chazzy]How much more? He had 13 assists last night and is averaging 9 a game in 32 mins. The offense has been fine.[/QUOTE]

Depends on the game/moment.

Naturally he's just getting back and the lakers are started to gel together. I didn't watch last night's game, but the Clipper loss was an example in which he should've had more possessions.

Why do people comment in here that don't watch games?:confusedshrug:
Omg dwight was 6-8 they should have gone to him more:facepalm
What about the 10 other times u pass it to him, he puts it on the floor and gets stripped. Especially when he tries one of his slow motion post moves..

...and thank god he doesnt. :applause:

I watched the Nuggets players laugh at us and light up with smiles
every time we passed it to Howard last night. It was like free
turnovers and steals 50% of the time he touched it. The other
half he just missed or got fouled and missed the ft's lol.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]2 wins from a title, that's one way to put it:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thank Stan Van Gundy for that, he made Dwight look like a dominant offensive force and made Jameer Nelson and Hedo Turkoglu look like allstars.

Building around Dwight is the opposite of constructive. He is mentally too immature to lead a franchise to a title, plus doesn't have the skill to do it either.[/QUOTE]

yes thats called a fact chief, 2 wins. SVG was a better coach then the two clowns the lakers used this year. I'm not saying that inside/out will lead to a title but atleast a .500 record. The team is awful. Keep doing what they are doing and they won't make the playoffs. Thats another fact.