So everyone can see Bargnani is the answer. But oh you can't trade amare for him right? And now that amare has no trade value you can't trade chandler. What happens when chandler has no trade value?
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So everyone can see Bargnani is the answer. But oh you can't trade amare for him right? And now that amare has no trade value you can't trade chandler. What happens when chandler has no trade value?
[QUOTE=el gringos][B]So everyone can see Bargnani is the answer.[/B] But oh you can't trade amare for him right? And now that amare has no trade value you can't trade chandler. What happens when chandler has no trade value?[/QUOTE]
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Here we go again with this Bargnani stuff lol. Dude, Toronto is playing better without Bargnani. Is he even back form injury? Why trade away a problem and inherit another?
[B][COLOR="Navy"]I agree with ClutchOver9000 that Melo needs a running mate.
Stat has to be that player. I know he is still rounding into shape and getting his timing. This team has to be an inside out team and penetration kick out team. This is the first way I see this team as being legit. If Stat can be 15/7 its a good start. I will rip into this dude from February on if I dont see some improvement! This team will fail without him being better unless its Shump.
Shump can not be an 8 point player in the starting lineup. If he is then this team becomes a grind it out grunt type of team. Some nights they will have to win durty but that would mean Melo is getting relied on too much its about preservation. If Stat cant be that studd can this guy be it? No he isnt that dynamic or efficient enough player but someone will have to be it along with JR.
Melo needs to play the 3. He is doing an admirable job and I liked for the most part his effort but the Knicks need a better rebounding/defensive presence at the position. Maybe the Knicks can acquire this piece but its painfully obvious that its currently not healthy on this roster.
Felton can keep Tyson, and all other role players happy with decent looks. JR can still be what he is now. I think Felton is fine if he plays within himself.
I dont want to rely on Kidd, Pablo, Novak, Cope, Camby, Sheed, Brewer, etc.... At this point these guys either cant get it done nightly or consistently enough. Cope to me has major upside if he puts in the work and the Knicks invest time into him even at 28.[/COLOR][/B]
Amar'e Stoudemire is showing why Jeremy Lin ability to positively impact the Knicks was overstated. Lin does not understand spacing, tempo, etc. Lin understand "drive and shoot, or drive and pass". With Felton and Kidd directing the team Carmelo and Amar'e have worked fine together.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Amar'e Stoudemire is showing why Jeremy Lin ability to positively impact the Knicks was overstated. Lin does not understand spacing, tempo, etc. Lin understand "drive and shoot, or drive and pass". With Felton and Kidd directing the team Carmelo and Amar'e have worked fine together.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]So what he didnt know. I dont get your point. A converted SG to PG that didnt have a lot experience. You cant be serious blaming Lin for them not working well together. You do realize these 3 didnt have much time on the floor together at the same time last year due to injuries. What about the time before Lin....[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]What does JKidd have to do with anything? Passes up open shots regularly letting the defense sag off on him most of the game until the 4th quarter...
Just want to know where you going with this....[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Amar'e Stoudemire is showing why Jeremy Lin ability to positively impact the Knicks was overstated. Lin does not understand spacing, tempo, etc. Lin understand "drive and shoot, or drive and pass". With Felton and Kidd directing the team Carmelo and Amar'e have worked fine together.[/QUOTE]
I think Amare becoming a more complete offensive player is what is helping the team more than anything, along with his willingness to be a serviceable player on the other end.
Not sure why Kidd is in this equation as he doesn't direct the teams offense outside of taking the open shot that someone else created, and the team has looked terrible with Kidd running the point in Feltons absence...he is not that guy anymore.
Felton has definitely stabilized the team, but amare's worth to the team has been created by amare expanding his game.
It's more like combining a amare we had beasting in his first year here with a prime and motivated melo and having a competent pg for the first time to tie it altogether
Also I think the new uniforms help.
[QUOTE=knickscity]I think Amare becoming a more complete offensive player is what is helping the team more than anything, along with his willingness to be a serviceable player on the other end.
Not sure why Kidd is in this equation as he doesn't direct the teams offense outside of taking the open shot that someone else created, and the team has looked terrible with Kidd running the point in Feltons absence...he is not that guy anymore.
Felton has definitely stabilized the team, but amare's worth to the team has been created by amare expanding his game.[/QUOTE]
:cry: It brought a tear to my eye hearing you say that about Kidd lol
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Also I think the new uniforms help.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]This is the answer right here.:bowdown: [/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=knickscity]I think Amare becoming a more complete offensive player is what is helping the team more than anything, along with his willingness to be a serviceable player on the other end.
Not sure why Kidd is in this equation as he doesn't direct the teams offense outside......[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rameek]So what he didnt know. I dont get your point. A converted SG to PG that didnt have a lot experience....[/QUOTE]
It's about the idea that Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony could not function together. So many people ignored the obvious when it came to the Knicks PG play last season. The Knicks PG play stunk. If you want to say Lin is learning to be a PG that is fine. Doesn't change the fact that the biggest problem last year was the lack of a lead guard who understands how to keep the team operating correctly.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]It's about the idea that Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony could not function together. So many people ignored the obvious when it came to the Knicks PG play last season. The Knicks PG play stunk. If you want to say Lin is learning to be a PG that is fine. Doesn't change the fact that the biggest problem last year was the lack of a lead guard who understands how to keep the team operating correctly.[/QUOTE]
KO, with all due respect, I dont comment on Lin much at all, he's gone, gave the team a few sweet moments, but my focus isn't on that.
The key to Amare working with Melo and Chandler was all on Amare.
Health first, expanded skill set second.
Amare is able to perform at his level now because of these two factors.
I'm not making the pg situation a non facotr, but keep in mind Amare's performance since Melo has been here has been done WITHOUT a pg as well as with one.
Amare was killing Boston in game one and that was not because of Billups.
Amare was very efficient against Miami in that one win with one hand and we had no point guard.
Amare has been performing well even prior to Felton getting back.
At this point, the only frontcourt player that is pg dependant is Chandler.
Amare has reached a level that his getting more complete, dude can actually pass out of the post now.:applause:
Because they lose to the Wizards! :mad:
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Because they lose to the Wizards! :mad:[/QUOTE]
As did Miami and OKC. It's just a game. A bad loss but just that. We pay them 2 more times.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]It's about the idea that Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony could not function together. So many people ignored the obvious when it came to the Knicks PG play last season. The Knicks PG play stunk. If you want to say Lin is learning to be a PG that is fine. Doesn't change the fact that the biggest problem last year was the lack of a lead guard who understands how to keep the team operating correctly.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't make sense to blame Lin who started for a month. Blame the kid for the Knicks not having a PG. Blame the kid for all the ills of the world.
[QUOTE=franchize]As did Miami and OKC. It's just a game. A bad loss but just that. [B]We pay them 2 more times.[/B][/QUOTE]
Next time we should pay them to take a dive.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Next time we should pay them to take a dive.[/QUOTE]
:cletus: OK....you got me
[QUOTE=Da KO King]It's about the idea that Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony could not function together. So many people ignored the obvious when it came to the Knicks PG play last season. The Knicks PG play stunk. If you want to say Lin is learning to be a PG that is fine. Doesn't change the fact that the biggest problem last year was the lack of a lead guard who understands how to keep the team operating correctly.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]You said Lin specifically though. Illogical assumption to blame him when it was the front office that makes those decisions. Lin didnt even play the whole season.
The ills of Chandler Amare Melo are not Lin's fault at all. [/COLOR]
[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]The Wizards has been winning some games against top opponents. Maybe everyone has taken them too lightly?[/COLOR][/B][/B]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]You said Lin specifically though. Illogical assumption to blame him when it was the front office that makes those decisions. Lin didnt even play the whole season.
The ills of Chandler Amare Melo are not Lin's fault at all. [/COLOR]
[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]The Wizards has been winning some games against top opponents. Maybe everyone has taken them too lightly?[/COLOR][/B][/B][/QUOTE]
How about the Celtics 7-0 without Rondo.
[QUOTE=knickscity]How about the Celtics 7-0 without Rondo.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]I really cant understand how they are doing it either.
Every night though someone steps up. Avery Bradley is just the most pestering on ball defender in the NBA. Not for nothing but they do have a deep team thats still trying to figure it out. They have just enough experience and young players to maybe be solid but for the life of me 7-0 is ridiculous!
KG and The Truth are really carrying the load![/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]I really cant understand how they are doing it either.
Every night though someone steps up. Avery Bradley is just the most pestering on ball defender in the NBA. Not for nothing but they do have a deep team thats still trying to figure it out. They have just enough experience and young players to maybe be solid but for the life of me 7-0 is ridiculous!
KG and The Truth are really carrying the load![/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
They have alot of guys who can make plays too, not just guys who pass out of double teams.
They are definitely getting a total effort.
The bench just wasn't there tonight. That is the only reason they lost out in my mind.
[QUOTE=Fallguy20]The bench just wasn't there tonight. That is the only reason they lost out in my mind.[/QUOTE]
Starters besides Melo were also horrible.
Kidd,Shumpert and Tyson didn't show up. Felton was solid on offense but got torched on defense.
Melo was our best player last night on both ends of the floor. Basically the only one who came to play.
[QUOTE=Clutch]Starters besides Melo were also horrible.
Kidd,Shumpert and Tyson didn't show up. Felton was solid on offense but got torched on defense.
Melo was our best player last night on both ends of the floor. Basically the only one who came to play.[/QUOTE]
Truth. I know its sometimes hard for players to really do well in a game where one guy on their team is tearing it up, but whether he was in or out I didn't see much aggression in the paint or scoring excepting Felton.
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Maybe they will need an easy first round matchup to really heat up?
[QUOTE=Fallguy20]Truth. I know its sometimes hard for players to really do well in a game where one guy on their team is tearing it up, but whether he was in or out I didn't see much aggression in the paint or scoring excepting Felton.
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Maybe they will need an easy first round matchup to really heat up?[/QUOTE]
If they play in the playoffs anywhere near yesterday, every matchup will beat them.
[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Celtics lost Leandro Barbosa now wow...[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]Its obvious this team needs to improve defensively.
I would like to reiterate that once Shump gets healthy I need him to be a 15 pt scorer in the starting lineup.
I would like to see Stat featured more.
I would like to see Melo minutes curtailed so he can be ready for the playoffs.
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[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]Its obvious this team needs to improve defensively.
I would like to reiterate that once Shump gets healthy I need him to be a 15 pt scorer in the starting lineup.
I would like to see Stat featured more.
I would like to see Melo minutes curtailed so he can be ready for the playoffs.
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agree on all except the 4th point.
He is currently 10th in qualified minutes played, and due to the amount of games he's missed, it's not an issue.
The best play, they just do.
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes"]http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes[/URL]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]Its obvious this team needs to improve defensively.
I would like to reiterate that once Shump gets healthy I need him to be a 15 pt scorer in the starting lineup.
I would like to see Stat featured more.
I would like to see Melo minutes curtailed so he can be ready for the playoffs.
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What does need 15 and to start for shumpert mean? I still think its way more important to figure out how to use shumpert with Carmelo and jr. It would be nice to close games with those 3 guys.
[QUOTE=knickscity]agree on all except the 4th point.
He is currently 10th in qualified minutes played, and due to the amount of games he's missed, it's not an issue.
The best play, they just do.
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes"]http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes[/URL][/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]Sorry but the problem is he is carrying a team single handily its not a good long term situation for success.[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=el gringos]What does need 15 and to start for shumpert mean? I still think its way more important to figure out how to use shumpert with Carmelo and jr. It would be nice to close games with those 3 guys.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]Shumpert is a starting SG/SF for the NY Knicks. He can not be a 1 dimensional player. He needed to take a step forward offensively. He should be a 15 pt a game player. 3 single digit starters is retarded.[/COLOR][/B]
I remember when me and Rameek seemed to never agree. Those days are long gone lol :applause: You are preaching some church brother lol We are wearing Melo out and worst of all, we aren't even getting him help on the court. I could see if it was a LeBron situation where he's playing a lot of minutes but he can take breaks on the court because he has Wade and Bosh. Melo is carrying the load of scoring. He's getting zero help In the form of starters and JR Smith, while having his best season, is still always going to be up and down.
[QUOTE=franchize]I remember when me and Rameek seemed to never agree. Those days are long gone lol :applause: You are preaching some church brother lol We are wearing Melo out and worst of all, we aren't even getting him help on the court. I could see if it was a LeBron situation where he's playing a lot of minutes but he can take breaks on the court because he has Wade and Bosh. Melo is carrying the load of scoring. He's getting zero help In the form of starters and JR Smith, while having his best season, is still always going to be up and down.[/QUOTE]
Melo has earned my respect! We agree about everything these days! I guess I'm part of your cult lol
J.R. shot chart :lol
[IMG]http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11160_442259959179885_1467885394_n.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]I really cant understand how they are doing it either.
Every night though someone steps up. Avery Bradley is just the most pestering on ball defender in the NBA. Not for nothing but they do have a deep team thats still trying to figure it out. They have just enough experience and young players to maybe be solid but for the life of me 7-0 is ridiculous!
KG and The Truth are really carrying the load![/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
I can. Knickscity knows my stance on Rondo. Good...but overrated.
As for our Knicks, all I know is, Grunwald needs to get busy. You can't be in "win now" mode and have this roster. That doesn't add up. You HAVE to, at the very least, replace Sheed and/or Camby. You gave Camby 4 mill+ over 3 years. Obviously, you thought he'd be a significant part of your team. So now that he's out, you need to replace that void.
[QUOTE=Clutch]J.R. shot chart :lol
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[B][COLOR="Navy"]I have an issue with this post and feelings of other Knick fans when it comes to JR. These are the same exact shots he took when they were 18-5. The difference is he made those shots earlier in the season. No one complained about shot selection then its not fair to criticize them now.[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=franchize]I can. Knickscity knows my stance on Rondo. Good...but overrated.
As for our Knicks, all I know is, Grunwald needs to get busy. You can't be in "win now" mode and have this roster. That doesn't add up. You HAVE to, at the very least, replace Sheed and/or Camby. You gave Camby 4 mill+ over 3 years. Obviously, you thought he'd be a significant part of your team. So now that he's out, you need to replace that void.[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Navy"]I think Rondo talent is elite. He is flawed and not a leader though.
Of course I agree that Grunwald made a mistake by not replacing them. Their are only 3 bigs active and thats whats going to destroy Melo. My problem also is Woody doesnt find a way to get White/Copeland minutes to save Chandler/Melo.[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]I have an issue with this post and feelings of other Knick fans when it comes to JR. These are the same exact shots he took when they were 18-5. The difference is he made those shots earlier in the season. No one complained about shot selection then its not fair to criticize them now.[/COLOR][/B]
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Relax,it was a joke. :cheers:
I love J.R. He's a good spark off the bench and he's being paid peanuts.
Also he plays hard every game.
He'll never be a smart player but I think he needs to be put in proper situation to play up to his potential.
Woodson loves iso ball and obviously he wants them to take a lot of threes. J.R. needs the coach who asks him to attack the basket more. Also he needs a coach who won't make him to play like PG at times.
IMO J.R. needs to attack the basket more,get more off screens and get an occasional isolation.