[QUOTE=Euroleague]Who missed the most free throws? Shaq? Wilt?[/QUOTE]
Who missed the most opportunities to play/make impact in the NBA? Spanoullis?
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Who missed the most free throws? Shaq? Wilt?[/QUOTE]
Who missed the most opportunities to play/make impact in the NBA? Spanoullis?
on my count at least half of those were in and outs. what is he supposed to do about that? basketball gods just hate him yet he's still top 5 all time. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Over 15,000 Kobe assist :applause:
That's good for #1 all time on that list. . :bowdown:
Jordan Stan's stay mad
[QUOTE=Rysio]on my count at least half of those were in and outs. what is he supposed to do about that? basketball gods just hate him yet he's still top 5 all time. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
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cantputproperspinontheballbe
:bowdown:
Love the kobestans trying to turn this into a positive. It would make sense IF Kobe was the all time scoring leader with the most points but no he isn't.
Kareem Abdul-jabbar 38,387 points 20 years
Karl Malone 36,928 points 19 years
Michael Jordan 32,292 points 15 years
Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 points 14 years
*Kobe Bryant 30,016 points 17 years
Shaquille O’Neal 28,596 points 19 years
Kobe has probably two years left in him? Even Jordan only played for 15 years while Kobe will be close to 20 years. It's not just about attempts. It's about HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS. That is why these scoring leaders scored more points while missing less.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- Jordan stans should stay far away from this thread.....unless you want to get powned..:D :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Shut up baby d1ck
[QUOTE=ispin69]Love the kobestans trying to turn this into a positive. It would make sense IF Kobe was the all time scoring leader with the most points but no he isn't.
Kareem Abdul-jabbar 38,387 points 20 years
Karl Malone 36,928 points 19 years
Michael Jordan 32,292 points 15 years
Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 points 14 years
*Kobe Bryant 30,016 points 17 years
Shaquille O’Neal 28,596 points 19 years
Kobe has probably two years left in him? Even Jordan only played for 15 years while Kobe will be close to 20 years. It's not just about attempts. It's about HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS. That is why these scoring leaders scored more points while missing less.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's 17th season isn't over with, so that number is a little misleading, it will be over 31,000 by the end of the year.
And 3/4 of the guys you listed were big men, of course their going to take better shots and shoot a higher percantage than a guard
If you knew anything about basketball you'd have realized that :facepalm
Kobrick............:applause: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Kobe's 17th season isn't over with, so that number is a little misleading, it will be over 31,000 by the end of the year.[/QUOTE]
It will be closer to 32,000. He already has 30,510 with 48 games left. He will pass Wilt soon for 4th all-time.
Wilt- 31419
Kobe- 30510
909 points away.
With a 30 ppg average = 31 games
[QUOTE=ispin69]Love the kobestans trying to turn this into a positive. It would make sense IF Kobe was the all time scoring leader with the most points but no he isn't.
Kareem Abdul-jabbar 38,387 points 20 years
Karl Malone 36,928 points 19 years
Michael Jordan 32,292 points 15 years
Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 points 14 years
*Kobe Bryant 30,016 points 17 years
Shaquille O’Neal 28,596 points 19 years
Kobe might pass Wilt but I doubt he will pass Jordan. Kobe has probably two years left in him? Even Jordan only played for 15 years while Kobe will be close to 20 years. It's not just about attempts. It's about HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS. That is why these scoring leaders scored more points while missing less.[/QUOTE]
- actually Kobe will break the alltime scoring record in 3 more seasons...( passing MJ next season)..18 seasons vs 15 seasons???....in context MJ did it in 3 less seasons.....but Kobe also played less minutes his first 2 years
- and "HIGH PERCENTAGE" is a moot point
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
Michael Jordan - 6 times
Chris Mullen - 6 times
Adrian Dantley - 4 times
Kiki Vandewedge - 4 times
Reggie Miller - 3 times
James Worthy - 3 times
Alex English - 3 times
Dale Ellis - 3 times
Magic Johnson - 2 times
Penny Hardaway - 2 times
Kevin Johnson - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 2 times
Cedric Ceballos - 2 times
Mark Aguirre - 2 times
Gary Payton - once
Byron Scott - once
Rolando Blackman - once
Walter Davis - once
Jeff Hornacek - once
Otis Birdsong - once
Jeff Malone - once
George Gervin - once
Drazen Petrovic - once
Reggie Lewis - once
Derek Smith - once
Scottie Pippen - once
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
So in MJ's era it was done 56 times by 26 different players.
from 2000- 2010 it has been done only 5 times by 5 different players....a totally different era ..especially for perimeter players.
[QUOTE=ispin69]Love the kobestans trying to turn this into a positive. It would make sense IF Kobe was the all time scoring leader with the most points but no he isn't.
Kareem Abdul-jabbar 38,387 points 20 years
Karl Malone 36,928 points 19 years
Michael Jordan 32,292 points 15 years
Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 points 14 years
*Kobe Bryant 30,016 points 17 years
Shaquille O
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Kobe's 17th season isn't over with, so that number is a little misleading, it will be over 31,000 by the end of the year.
And 3/4 of the guys you listed were big men, of course their going to take better shots and shoot a higher percantage than a guard
If you knew anything about basketball you'd have realized that :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yes tell me why Jordan a GUARD doesn't have the highest missed shots right now. Currently he has scored more than Kobe yet Kobe has the most missed shots. You guys love to compare the two only when it's convenient. :facepalm
That's right you can't deny Jordan took more high percentage shots.
[QUOTE=ispin69]Yes tell me why Jordan a GUARD doesn't have the highest missed shots right now. Currently he has scored more than Kobe yet Kobe has the most missed shots. You guys love to compare the two only when it's convenient. :facepalm
That's right you can't deny Jordan took more high percentage shots.[/QUOTE]
You're only argument is that Kobe couldn't do it as efficiently as the GOAT..?
:biggums:
[QUOTE=ispin69]Yes tell me why Jordan a GUARD doesn't have the highest missed shots right now. Currently he has scored more than Kobe yet Kobe has the most missed shots. You guys love to compare the two only when it's convenient. :facepalm
That's right you can't deny Jordan took more high percentage shots.[/QUOTE]
- 1. I took Jordan only 1072 games to get to 12,354 misses...
- 2. Jordan 1778 3pt attempts........Kobe 4466 3 pt attempts
- 3. again MJ played in much different era.....where plenty of perimeter stars shot well over 50%
- 4. get back in my pocket son.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]You're only argument is that Kobe couldn't do it as efficiently as the GOAT..?
:biggums:[/QUOTE]
hey didn't you know....Karl Malone and Kareem at 51% and 55% receptively.
Karl and Jabbar>>>>>>> Jordan.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- actually Kobe will break the alltime scoring record in 3 more seasons...( passing MJ next season)..18 seasons vs 15 seasons???....in context MJ did it in 3 less seasons.....but Kobe also played less minutes his first 2 years
- and "HIGH PERCENTAGE" is a moot point
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
Michael Jordan - 6 times
Chris Mullen - 6 times
Adrian Dantley - 4 times
Kiki Vandewedge - 4 times
Reggie Miller - 3 times
James Worthy - 3 times
Alex English - 3 times
Dale Ellis - 3 times
Magic Johnson - 2 times
Penny Hardaway - 2 times
Kevin Johnson - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 2 times
Cedric Ceballos - 2 times
Mark Aguirre - 2 times
Gary Payton - once
Byron Scott - once
Rolando Blackman - once
Walter Davis - once
Jeff Hornacek - once
Otis Birdsong - once
Jeff Malone - once
George Gervin - once
Drazen Petrovic - once
Reggie Lewis - once
Derek Smith - once
Scottie Pippen - once
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
So in MJ's era it was done 56 times by 26 different players.
from 2000- 2010 it has been done only 5 times by 5 different players....a totally different era ..especially for perimeter players.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Jordan era didn't jack up threes nearly as much, which results in higher percentage shots being taken, also your boy Kobe played less minutes shit is another pathetic excuse you keep clinging too..not to mention better quality bigs demanding attention causing defenses to collapse which provided higher percentage shots for perimeter guys in the Jordan era.
Kobe 43,707 min played
Jordan 41,011 min played
Lmao at the 2010 cutoff u came up with to justify u'r garbage. James 4 seasons in a row with 50+%, also Kevin Durant basically has shot 50% the last two seasons, because he is taking high quality shots and not forcing shit up like Kobe has done throughout his career(but leave it to you, about this mythical great defense). Durant is maturing and becoming a more efficient offensive player, whereas ChuckBe has always worried about individual accolades. Chuckbe in his 17th season, still has the playing mindset like 3rd year MJ.
[QUOTE=MAC system]Shut up baby d1ck[/QUOTE]
if you want to debate this subject.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Off Topic - [URL="http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=282603&page=7"]http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=282603&page=7[/URL]
King of Chucking!
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]You're only argument is that Kobe couldn't do it as efficiently as the GOAT..?
:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Sad part is he probably could have, had he played more within the realm of the offense and didn't force up so much crap. The biggest difference between the two is their brains
[QUOTE=Calabis]:facepalm
Jordan era didn't jack up threes nearly as much, which results in higher percentage shots being taken, also your boy Kobe played less minutes shit is another pathetic excuse you keep clinging too..not to mention better quality bigs demanding attention causing defenses to collapse which provided higher percentage shots for perimeter guys in the Jordan era.
Kobe 43,707 min played
Jordan 41,011 min played
Lmao at the 2010 cutoff u came up with to justify u'r garbage. James 4 seasons in a row with 50+%, also Kevin Durant basically has shot 50% the last two seasons, because he is taking high quality shots and not forcing shit up like Kobe has done throughout his career(but leave it to you, about this mythical great defense). Durant is maturing and becoming a more efficient offensive player, whereas ChuckBe has always worried about individual accolades. Chuckbe in his 17th season, still has the playing mindset like 3rd year MJ.[/QUOTE]
- [B][SIZE="6"]the defense was also played much different[/SIZE][/B]...and yes perimeter players didn't take as many outside ( 15'+ beyond from the rim) shots...but IMo and everyone who actually watched the games...teh defense has changed alot since the 80's / mid 90's
- John Havlicek shot 43%. Never shot a 3 in his career... or at least not when it was in the NBA.
Hayes shot 45%. Made 5 3pointers in his career at a whopping 14%...you are lacking in the basic fundemental of recognizing game.....
- again , Lebron James is still only 1 player.....the 2010 cutoff was to show the era's.....even still Lebron is still only 1 player ......and Marion didn't do it...so it's still only a very few players vs nearly 30 in the Jordan era...
- get back in my pocket ****....
[COLOR="White"]stay mad MJ stans...[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Calabis]Sad part is he probably could have, had he played more within the realm of the offense and didn't force up so much crap. The biggest difference between the two is their brains[/QUOTE]
- thier TS% difference is only 2%.....whoopptity doooo dahhhhh!!!
- if only Kobe shot 2% higher the Lakers could have won 10 championships by now....
- Jordan stans ruining basketball 1 post at a time.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
[/QUOTE]
1985 season 3PA average - 3.3
2010 season 3PA average - 18.0
:lol
Truly, he is the King of Kings :bowdown:
Kobe has missed 15,296 shots. The most in NBA history.
:roll::roll::roll:
[QUOTE=Shaquille O'Neal]Kobe has missed 15,296 shots. The most in NBA history.
:roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]
shaq's missed more free throws than that :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- [B][SIZE="6"]the defense was also played much different[/SIZE][/B]...and yes perimeter players didn't take as many outside ( 15'+ beyond from the rim) shots...but IMo and everyone who actually watched the games...teh defense has changed alot since the 80's / mid 90's
- John Havlicek shot 43%. Never shot a 3 in his career... or at least not when it was in the NBA.
Hayes shot 45%. Made 5 3pointers in his career at a whopping 14%...you are lacking in the basic fundemental of recognizing game.....
- again , Lebron James is still only 1 player.....the 2010 cutoff was to show the era's.....even still Lebron is still only 1 player ......and Marion didn't do it...so it's still only a very few players vs nearly 30 in the Jordan era...
- get back in my pocket ****....
[COLOR="White"]stay mad MJ stans...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Get in my pocket??? Really??
I would refer to my older posts, where I have killed u'r and Fatal's bullshit defense theories, but obviously facts don't sink in with u two
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]shaq's missed more free throws than that :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
close...
Most FTs Missed, Career
Wilt Chamberlain 5,805
Shaquille O'Neal 4,995
Karl Malone 3,401
Walt Bellamy 2,975
Elvin Hayes 2,643
Shaq missed FT's = 1/3 of Kobe missed shots:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Calabis]Get in my pocket??? Really??
I would refer to my older posts, where I have killed u'r and Fatal's bullshit defense theories, but obviously facts don't sink in with u two[/QUOTE]
- Stay Mad B!tch....
- been locking U up since day 1
- go refer to your garbage posts......still cant C me son
next
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- actually Kobe will break the alltime scoring record in 3 more seasons...( passing MJ next season)..18 seasons vs 15 seasons???....in context MJ did it in 3 less seasons.....but Kobe also played less minutes his first 2 years
- and "HIGH PERCENTAGE" is a moot point
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
Michael Jordan - 6 times
Chris Mullen - 6 times
Adrian Dantley - 4 times
Kiki Vandewedge - 4 times
Reggie Miller - 3 times
James Worthy - 3 times
Alex English - 3 times
Dale Ellis - 3 times
Magic Johnson - 2 times
Penny Hardaway - 2 times
Kevin Johnson - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 2 times
Cedric Ceballos - 2 times
Mark Aguirre - 2 times
Gary Payton - once
Byron Scott - once
Rolando Blackman - once
Walter Davis - once
Jeff Hornacek - once
Otis Birdsong - once
Jeff Malone - once
George Gervin - once
Drazen Petrovic - once
Reggie Lewis - once
Derek Smith - once
Scottie Pippen - once
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
So in MJ's era it was done 56 times by 26 different players.
from 2000- 2010 it has been done only 5 times by 5 different players....a totally different era ..especially for perimeter players.[/QUOTE]
Why did you cut it off at 2010? :biggums:
Wade had 25 PPG on 50% shooting the next year, Durant missed it by .004 last year (currently at 52% this year) and the best player on the planet is on a current 4 year streak of shooting over 50% at 20PPG+. All you've proven is that Kobe isn't as good as Lebron, as if we needed more proof :lol
And as someone who is capable of critical thinking already showed, the 3 is now more prominent in the NBA than it was in previous eras, thus the lower %s for chuckers. Just look at what happened when Lebron stopped settling for awful 3s and took his game closer to the basket. You gonna credit his skyrocketing FG% to 'zone' or some other bullshit excuse? That's called Basketball IQ, I wouldn't expect a chuckbe stan to understand that simple concept.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- thier TS% difference is only 2%.....whoopptity doooo dahhhhh!!!
- if only Kobe shot 2% higher the Lakers could have won 10 championships by now....
- Jordan stans ruining basketball 1 post at a time.[/QUOTE]
Yes because FT's are a result of made and missed shots from the field :facepalm
Kobe fans love this bullshit TS%, but bring up winshare % and its a bullshit stat.
[IMG]http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/cbf00bcb978ea4b7c30a858acb1358e2.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Why did you cut it off at 2010? :biggums:
Wade had 25 PPG on 50% shooting the next year, Durant missed it by .004 last year (currently at 52% this year) and the best player on the planet is on a current 4 year streak of shooting over 50% at 20PPG+. All you've proven is that Kobe isn't as good as Lebron, as if we needed more proof :lol
And as someone who is capable of critical thinking already showed, the 3 is now more prominent in the NBA than it was in previous eras, thus the lower %s for chuckers. Just look at what happened when Lebron stopped settling for awful 3s and took his game closer to the basket. You gonna credit his skyrocketing FG% to 'zone' or some other bullshit excuse? That's called Basketball IQ, I wouldn't expect a chuckbe stan to understand that simple concept.[/QUOTE]
Don't speak with logic, all he knows is
Jordan played in a weak era, Lebron and Durant now play in a weak era, only Kobe played in a tough league
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Why did you cut it off at 2010? :biggums:
Wade had 28 PPG on 50% shooting the next year, Durant missed it by .004 last year (currently at 52% this year) and the best player on the planet is on a current 4 year streak of shooting over 50% at 20PPG+. All you've proven is that Kobe isn't as good as Lebron, as if we needed more proof :lol
And as someone who is capable of critical thinking already showed, the 3 is now more prominent in the NBA than it was in previous eras, thus the lower %s for chuckers. Just look at what happened when Lebron stopped settling for awful 3s and took his game closer to the basket. You gonna credit his skyrocketing FG% to 'zone' or some other bullshit excuse? That's called Basketball IQ, I wouldn't expect a chuckbe stan to understand that simple concept.[/QUOTE]
- so why was Hondo's FG% at 43%???...when he only took 5 3's??
- why was hayes FG% so low.....when he took 15 3's his whole career?
- who cares if Durant din't shoot 50%....you proved my point...it's still a handful of players vs the bucketloads of 80's/90's players who shot a high %
[quote=STATUTORY]shaq's missed more free throws than that :roll: :roll:[/quote]
And these idiots talking about 2000 - 2010 being "tougher" defensively.
MJ MISSED less with handchecking allowed rules in place.
Kids. The internet's full of them.
So let's get this straight - Kobe has played 2 more seasons than MJ and has far fewer points/assists/steals/rebounds/blocks, far MORE turnovers and missed shots, played with Shaq for 8 years and Pau / Bynum / Howard for 6 (while Michael NEVER had a dominant big man) and yet somehow Kobe is comparable to Jordan? 1 MVP vs 5? 2 scoring vs 10? 6 FMVP vs 2?
:roll::lol:oldlol::roll::oldlol:
I wouldn't put Kobe as the best Laker of all time (either Magic or even Kareem).
Silly Kobe fans.:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- so why was Hondo's FG% at 43%???...when he only took 5 3's??
- why was hayes FG% so low.....when he took 15 3's his whole career?
- who cares if Durant din't shoot 50%....you proved my point...it's still a handful of players vs the bucketloads of 80's/90's players who shot a high %[/QUOTE]
My dude, your misguided point was that the reason Kobe's FG% is lower than MJ's was because of different eras, defenses, etc. You say this when the best player on the planet is riding a 4 year streak of shooting 50% or higher (currently shooting 54%), with guys like Durant and Wade near or past that barrier now and in the past. How do you explain that?
Is Lebron immune to the superior defense of this era or more likely- is he, like Michael Jordan, just a plain better, smarter player than Kobe 'king chucker' Bryant? What's the deal? :biggums:
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]My dude, your misguided point was that the reason Kobe's FG% is lower than MJ's was because of different eras, defenses, etc. You say this when the best player on the planet is riding a 4 year streak of shooting 50% or higher (currently shooting 54%), with guys like Durant and Wade near or past that barrier now and in the past. How do you explain that?
Is Lebron immune to the superior defense of this era or more likely- is he, like Michael Jordan, just a plain better, smarter player than Kobe 'king chucker' Bryant? What's the deal? :biggums:[/QUOTE]
we have crossed over into a different era now. Kobe spent his prime fg% years in the most offensive depressed era in NBA history 1998-2004
no one was shooting over 50% then
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- Stay Mad B!tch....
- been locking U up since day 1
- go refer to your garbage posts......still cant C me son
next[/QUOTE]
Well if garbage is facts about the reason why shooting percentages have dropped, why rule changes have made it easier for perimeter players, why Tony Parker has led the league in in the paint scoring before, with other perimeter guys being in top 5, Shaq shooting his best FG% in the zone years....I guess it would be garbage in Kobeville. Also I don't get mad over the internet
Wow i've been out and about all day and i cant believe i havent heard about this. Knew i should have watched sports center before i left this morning. Truly important interesting kewl stat here :applause:
:applause: Top5Be
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]we have crossed over into a different era now. Kobe spent his prime fg% years in the most offensive depressed era in NBA history 1998-2004
no one was shooting over 50% then[/QUOTE]
That isn't strictly due to defense. Style of play, lack of offensive intelligence and skills (like passing, shooting) from an era where people drafted young, dumb HSers on "potential"