Miami Heat - Overrated Pretenders?

[QUOTE=The Nets]Lets see... At 31-27, they need to go 19-5 for the rest of the season to win 50 games. Even though their schedule in March is easy, it seems highly unlikely to me they can win 80% of their games from March 4th to the end of regular season. Even the Clippers and Thunder cannot guarantee such a high winning percentage.[/QUOTE]



I know, I fixed my math issue.


The problem with your calculations is that they're never going to be 31-27.


I'm pretty sure they can go 27-21 the rest of the season.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I know, I fixed my math issue.


The problem with your calculations is that they're never going to be 31-27.


I'm pretty sure they can go 27-21 the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]

None of us would have predicted the Heat to go 3-5 for the last 8 games, it happened anyway. Be hold, 31-27 is barely a playoffs team in Western Conference.
:lol

[QUOTE=The Nets]None of us would have predicted the Heat to go 3-5 for the last 8 games, it happened anyway. Be hold, 31-27 is barely a playoffs team in Western Conference.
:lol[/QUOTE]



I really see no reason to be shocked over 3-5. 8 games is a lot smaller sample size than 24 games, than 48 games.

rofl lmao only on ish can you go to the finals twice and currently #1 in the east with your core pretty intact and be called pretenders hahahaha

they are currently top of the east. sure, they're pretenders.

Yeah they are atop of Eastern Conference due to their remarkably easy schedule. The next 24 games will be brutal for them, they will go 8-16 and end up with 31-27. At that point they need to finish 19-5 to reach 50 wins, which is almost impossible.

Yeah, they will just turn it on. They have no competition in the East. The East is terrible. They can afford to lose games and be fine. Try to do that in the West. The heat will probably not repeat unless whoever comes out of the West is not full strength or something like that. There is still plenty of season. But the heat are small and their defense is slack this season.

[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Yeah, they will just turn it on. They have no competition in the East. The East is terrible. They can afford to lose games and be fine. Try to do that in the West. The heat will probably not repeat unless whoever comes out of the West is not full strength or something like that. There is still plenty of season. But the heat are small and their defense is slack this season.[/QUOTE]

Ah you are way too optimistic, NBA finals? The team looks like 2nd round exit at best to me.

Who cares? Last 2 years they've been playing shit in regular season yet they shift it a few levels when playoffs come around. They've never even been close to #1 seed in the East before yet they got to the finals twice.

Miami Heat doesn't even to play half their games. Eastern conference is so bad that they can sneak in with a losing record as a 8th seed.

LeBron will turn into a God, ehh not like 26/8/7 is not God mode already. Wade will try again. Anything Bosh brings will just be a bonus.

There have been countless championship teams and established contenders who coast during a good chunk of the regular season. We've seen it with both the early 2000s Lakers, some of the recent Laker teams, the recent Celtic teams, some of those Piston teams and even the Spurs who have limited their starters minutes and give them some games off in recent years.

Off course they are at cruise control and they don't care about regular season, that's why Lebron went practice after they lost to the Knicks and made sure everyone knew about it.

The real overrated pretenders are Nets, Knicks, and Pacers.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]There have been countless championship teams and established contenders who coast during a good chunk of the regular season. We've seen it with both the early 2000s Lakers, some of the recent Laker teams, the recent Celtic teams, some of those Piston teams and even the Spurs who have limited their starters minutes and give them some games off in recent years.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but there also have been teams like 02-03 Lakers, 06-07 Heat, 07-08 Spurs and 10-11 Lakers who just aint competitive any longer and people kept overrating them 'cause they were defending champs.

[QUOTE=The Nets]Miami Heat's next ten games:

@ SAC W(24-11)
@ UTA L(24-12)
@ GS L(24-13)
@ LAL L(24-14)
TOR W(25-14)
DET W(26-14)
@ BOS L(26-15)
@ BKN L(26-16)
@ IND L(26-17)
@ TOR L(26-18)

They will go 3-7 and drop out of top 3 seeds in Eastern Conference.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
If you think they will go 3-7 during that stretch, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I'm trying to sell.

[QUOTE=Nash]Who cares? Last 2 years they've been playing shit in regular season yet they shift it a few levels when playoffs come around. They've never even been close to #1 seed in the East before yet they got to the finals twice.[/QUOTE]
This. As has been proven in both conferences the last two years, having the #1 seed means very little considering neither of those teams made it to the Finals.

Defending champs and they are coasting and still #1 seed. :sleeping They'll wake up come playoff time

[QUOTE=I<3NBA]they are currently top of the east. sure, they're pretenders.[/QUOTE]

Isn't saying much, tbh. They got it pretty nice.

In the West they would be the 5th seed right now (in between GS and MEM) or worse because they would have been facing tougher opponents all season.

[QUOTE=TMT]Isn't saying much, tbh. They got it pretty nice.

[B]In the West they would be the 5th seed right now [/B](in between GS and MEM) or worse because they would have been facing tougher opponents all season.[/QUOTE]

But how exactly do you know that? I see these hypotheticals all the time. It's getting old. We'll never know how Miami would fair in the western conference, so just get over it.

Lets see how they're playing in April. Its barely January.

[QUOTE=ihoopallday]But how exactly do you know that? I see these hypotheticals all the time. It's getting old. We'll never know how Miami would fair in the western conference, so just get over it.[/QUOTE]

Because that's what their record indicates, and they have played predominantly more games against the EC. While the Clips, Spurs and Thunder all have a handful of more wins playing against tougher competition.

You think a jump to the West would [I]up[/I] their win total? You think cutting their games against the weak East in half, and doubling the WC opponents on their schedule would work in their favor?

It just shows how easy they have it compared to all the other great teams in this league. Not only do they have the heaviest super team in the league, but they play in a conference where they can essentially lose all the games they want and it will hardly scratch their playoff positioning. It's pretty obvious that being in the West would change everything for them. You disagreeing shows me your just another sad Heat/Lebron homer who will disregard anything currently going on with the team and just say "WE DA BESS".

[QUOTE=The Nets]Miami Heat's next ten games:

@ SAC W(24-11)
@ UTA L(24-12)
@ GS L(24-13)
@ LAL L(24-14)
TOR W(25-14)
DET W(26-14)
@ BOS L(26-15)
@ BKN L(26-16)
@ IND L(26-17)
@ TOR L(26-18)

They will go 3-7 and drop out of top 3 seeds in Eastern Conference.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
There is no way this is gonna happen, I give the Bobcats a shot to make the playoffs before considering the Heat going 3-7 a possibility. This looks like pure trolling.

I'm pretty sure the Heat won't even go lower than seed No2 all season long. They are obviously coasting at the moment and they haven't gone on a hot streak, which they're due for. Assuming the only games they're gonna win will be against scrub teams is just ridiculous.:facepalm

Miami Heat:
@Sacramento - W
@Utah - W
@Golden State - L
@LAL - W
Toronto - W
Detroit - W
@Boston - L
@Brooklyn - W
@Indiana - W
@Toronto - W
Charlotte - W
Houston - W
LAC - L
LAL - W
Portland - W
@Oklahoma City - L
@Atlanta - L
@Chicago - W
@ Philadelphia - L
Cleveland - W
Sacramento - W
Memphis - L
@New York - L
@Minnesota - W

I feel like they'll go 16-8 from today to March 4th. A few games could go either way like OKC & Boston for obvious reason. Also, Chicago should have Rose back by this time I believe so that game could be a toss up. New York has been spanking Miami this season, Memphis has the size that I don't think Miami can overcome, same goes for Indiana, plus the athleticism. Gave Atlanta the W because I don't think they'll be swept by Miami, but that could become a win for Miami because they have had Atlanta's number this season. Clippers are just too athletic, physical, well rounded and big for Miami, Philly could beat Miami due to being home and their athleticism. Golden State wins due to size and quickness.

I feel like this is much more accurate than that bullshit posted earlier.

[QUOTE=albas89]There is no way this is gonna happen, I give the Bobcats a shot to make the playoffs before considering the Heat going 3-7 a possibility. This looks like pure trolling.

I'm pretty sure the Heat won't even go lower than seed No2 all season long. They are obviously coasting at the moment and they haven't gone on a hot streak, which they're due for. Assuming the only games they're gonna win will be against scrub teams is just ridiculous.:facepalm[/QUOTE]

They just went 3-5, I wouldnt say 3-7 in another stretch is impossible at all. In fact, it looks reasonable to me. A quick note, the Heat were 0-4 against teams above 0.500 in their last four games.

Oh yeah, coasting. Remember the first time Heat lost by 20 against the Knicks, people said the Heat were coasting. It was not until they lost by 20 again at home with Melo-less Knicks that people finally began to realize that the Heat were actually just not good enough. They will be 31-27 after the next 24 games play out, so 8-16 down this stretch. Interestingly, the Boston Celtics is likely to have a better record than 31-27 then.
:lol

[QUOTE=The Nets]Yeah, but there also have been teams like 02-03 Lakers, 06-07 Heat, 07-08 Spurs and 10-11 Lakers who just aint competitive any longer and people kept overrating them 'cause they were defending champs.[/QUOTE]

'02-'03 Lakers ended up probably that one Horry 3 that rimmed out away from another title. In fact, in the end, that was probably the difference between their '02 and '03 seasons. Horry's 3 went in vs Sacramento and it rimmed out vs the Spurs. And that was with Horry going 0/18 on 3s vs the Spurs, Rick Fox got injured leaving Devean George as their starting small forward and even he eventually got injured. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong did short of Shaq or Kobe going down. And even Kobe wasn't able to play up to his regular season standard due to a shoulder injury. The Heat didn't start out 11-19 either.

The '06-'07 Heat were so much older and looked much worse than this Heat team. Shaq missed half the season and was 35, Wade injured his shoulder, missed 30 games and shouldn't have even been playing vs Chicago, Eddie Jones was 35, Zo was 37, Payton was 38 and Antoine Walker was in terrible shape.

How were the '08 Spurs not competitive? They got to the WCF and Manu was nowhere near 100% by that point.

As far as the '11 Lakers, Kobe didn't look near 100% all season, Gasol played worse than anyone could have imagined in the playoffs and really nobody played like they were supposed to in the playoffs except Bynum.

I don't see how any of these really apply to Miami. And at least 2 of the teams you mentioned still contended. Miami has seemed to coast to the best record in the East and a 23-11 record. They're not old either. They have a 28 year old best player and 2 other stars who are 28 and 31, respectively.

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]This. As has been proven in both conferences the last two years, having the #1 seed means very little considering neither of those teams made it to the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Considering it might mean facing the bulls with rose in the second round, it means even less this year.

Terrible, Terrible Thread. Miami will start another winning streak after they beat Sacramento.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Terrible, Terrible Thread. Miami will start another winning streak after they beat Sacramento.[/QUOTE]

Not likely, Lebron is good but he cant carry a sinking boat by himself.

[QUOTE=TMT]Because that's what their record indicates, and they have played predominantly more games against the EC. While the Clips, Spurs and Thunder all have a handful of more wins playing against tougher competition.

You think a jump to the West would [I]up[/I] their win total? You think cutting their games against the weak East in half, and doubling the WC opponents on their schedule would work in their favor?

It just shows how easy they have it compared to all the other great teams in this league. Not only do they have the heaviest super team in the league, but they play in a conference where they can essentially lose all the games they want and it will hardly scratch their playoff positioning[B]. It's pretty obvious that being in the West would change everything for them. You disagreeing shows me your just another sad Heat/Lebron homer who will disregard anything currently going on with the team and just say "WE DA BESS[/B]".[/QUOTE]

I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying. All I'm trying to say is this is a pointless argument. Yes, the East is easier for Miami. They have more room for mistakes. The west is where 1 loss could be the difference between a playoff seed or an early off season. But that isn't Miami's fault. Should they ask Stern to switch confrences. Btw, I'm not a homer. But I guess you concluded that yourself. I've actually repped you before because I think you're a non biased poster. Don't let all these other stans make you think every Heat fan is like them.

Who is going to beat them in a 7 game series? OKC is the only team with a chance in hell.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Who is going to beat them in a 7 game series? OKC is the only team with a chance in hell.[/QUOTE]
Lakers in 4

they surely dont care about regular season... come playoff time they will murder everyone... except for the pacers... that goes 6 games

[QUOTE=KOBE143]Lakers in 4[/QUOTE]


:pimp:

[QUOTE=ihoopallday]I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying. All I'm trying to say is this is a pointless argument. Yes, the East is easier for Miami. They have more room for mistakes. The west is where 1 loss could be the difference between a playoff seed or an early off season. But that isn't Miami's fault. Should they ask Stern to switch confrences. Btw, I'm not a homer. But I guess you concluded that yourself. I've actually repped you before because I think you're a non biased poster. Don't let all these other stans make you think every Heat fan is like them.[/QUOTE]


He isn't unbiased. The guy hates LeBron so bad its not even funny.

Spo needs to rest lebron a game or two and just let bosh and wade handle it. This upcoming stretch is the perfect time.

[QUOTE=red1][B]Spo needs to rest lebron a game or two [/B]and just let bosh and wade handle it. This upcoming stretch is the perfect time.[/QUOTE]

I second this, actually he should rest Lebron for the next 10 games since they can only hope to win about 3-4 of them with or without Lebron anyway.

[QUOTE=The Nets]Rebounding is their big problem, but other than that this team plays with absolutely no energy/passion. For a team with their star players in prime, this is incomprehensible.
:sleeping[/QUOTE]
Take your mouth off of deron william's dick, and realize the nets arent going anywhere, k?

And if the heat are pretenders, then what are the lakers/nets/hawks/pacers/rockets?

Bitch, stop sucking brook lopez's hairy one

not to sound like a smartass but how do u pretend on something thats already been accomplished?

Defending champs. So, obviously overrated. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]not to sound like a smartass but how do u pretend on something thats already been accomplished?[/QUOTE]

This