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[QUOTE=STATUTORY]the team concept is just a facade. A contrived artifice aimed at covering up for the weakest among us and delineate sport from the cold harsh realities of life. that it is always you against the whole world.
that's why I gotta respect players like AI and Kobe who are free radicals that refuse to be institionalized within the team framework.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]anybody who doesn't have Kobe top 10 strictly hating, and shows their ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sure thing.
I mean shit, even if someone had him @ 11... There's such a GAP from 10-11, right ? Such haters.
:rolleyes:
At this point, does it matter what Kobe says? Haters around here are reaching epic sewer levels in terms of their hatred for the guy. No joke.
If he accepts total blame, you'll find fault with that.
If he plays well, and the team loses, its because hes a ballhog that dominates the ball.
If he plays poorly and the team loses, its because hes a loser that couldnt carry them.
If he plays well, and the team wins, he could have done better, and shared the ball more and is looking out for his legacy.
The Kobe stans are lame yes, but the haters....You hate the guy, but follow his EVERY MOVEMENT, AND EVERY WORD. You come to EVERY SINGLE LAKER THREAD, and talk shit. You SAY its because you hate the fans, but the reality is, most of you are garbage.
I mean lets keep it real here no? I dont like certain players...so you know what i do? I DONT CARE, AND I STAY OUT OF THOSE THREADS.
Why do some of you spend so much energy on something you hate? You create threads, and follow the lakers around more than the fu*king fans do :oldlol:
Shit is getting ridiculous around here, and im sorry but haters are becomming a spectacle in their own right around here. You are seriously worse than the fans, and the stans and homers on this site.
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]the team concept is just a facade. A contrived artifice aimed at covering up for the weakest among us and delineate sport from the cold harsh realities of life. that it is always you against the whole world.
that's why I gotta respect players like AI and Kobe who are free radicals that refuse to be institionalized within the team framework.[/QUOTE]
I was going to post that legacy is the last thing you should think about. You should play to win and the rest falls into place. Those who get caught up in the legacy thing have screwed the game and try to coerce their way up the ladder, at the expense of better players.
Then I read this post and things changed. This was actually poetic. It was so poetic that I couldn't read past "delineate sport from the cold harsh realities of life".
Coming from a Laker/Wade fan, this is impressive.
Yes, Kobe has so much help with his glamorous supporting cast of:
-The worst Head Coach in the league
-Old, decrepit Steve Nash and Metta World Peace
-Earl Clark
-Jodie Meeks
-And a bunch of soft, heartless, shameful players like Paulina Gasol, Dwight Howard, and Antawn Jamison
Note that I never mentioned Pau Gasol. That is because Pau Gasol is no longer with us. Pau Gasol was an integral part of a Lakers team that reached the NBA Finals three years in a row and won back-to-back titles. A player with arguably the best low post game in the NBA, solid defender, best passing big man in the league, and a 20-10 machine.
Unfortunately for the Lakers, Pau Gasol ceased to exist midway through the 2010-2011 season. Since then, he has been replaced by Paulina Gasol. A nonexistent post game, atrocious defender, allergic to boxing out, barely able to score 12 points a game. Nothing but a soft liability on the court.
RIP Pau Gasol and RIP 2012-2013 Lakers
[QUOTE=Asukal]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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this. Holy crap statu, get some help. Life is all about other people. Ever heard of a family? See a therapist.
Amare for Dwight straight up. Keep trying to make D'antoni's system work. :facepalm
And Dwight's leaving that mess anyways.
Most disappointing team in history and Kobe's right at the heart of it.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]At this point, does it matter what Kobe says? Haters around here are reaching epic sewer levels in terms of their hatred for the guy. No joke.
If he accepts total blame, you'll find fault with that.
If he plays well, and the team loses, its because hes a ballhog that dominates the ball.
If he plays poorly and the team loses, its because hes a loser that couldnt carry them.
If he plays well, and the team wins, he could have done better, and shared the ball more and is looking out for his legacy.
The Kobe stans are lame yes, but the haters....You hate the guy, but follow his EVERY MOVEMENT, AND EVERY WORD. You come to EVERY SINGLE LAKER THREAD, and talk shit. You SAY its because you hate the fans, but the reality is, most of you are garbage.
I mean lets keep it real here no? I dont like certain players...so you know what i do? I DONT CARE, AND I STAY OUT OF THOSE THREADS.
Why do some of you spend so much energy on something you hate? You create threads, and follow the lakers around more than the fu*king fans do :oldlol:
[B]Shit is getting ridiculous around here[/B], and im sorry but haters are becomming a spectacle in their own right around here. You are seriously worse than the fans, and the stans and homers on this site.[/QUOTE]
Did you say the same about your fellow Kobe Klowns during the Bron to Heat saga? F outta here, and stay mad
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Did you say the same about your fellow Kobe Klowns during the Bron to Heat saga? F outta here, and stay mad[/QUOTE]
Oh the horror is a legit Laker poster.
Might be biased at times, but he ain't a Kobe stan.
[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]Amare for Dwight straight up. Keep trying to make D'antoni's system work. :facepalm
And Dwight's leaving that mess anyways.
Most disappointing team in history and Kobe's right at the heart of it.[/QUOTE]
ive been saying this for weeks -- I made threads about this crap weeks ago and everyone blew me off. If LA landed Amare it would be a steal because at the end of this season Sacre will be the starting center
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Oh the horror is a legit Laker poster.
Might biased at times, but he ain't a Kobe stan.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but i'll bet he wasn't making posts like that about the kobe stans who were thick as fleas in here and fit the exact criteria he was talking about in his post regarding those who criticize Bryant.
[QUOTE=monkeypox]Uh... you can accept blame for a single game while still asking for changes to the roster. Lol. You know, as in they should have still beat the raptors with this roster so this loss is on him, but if they want to make the playoffs the team needs to make changes?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but i mean in general, right after the game he took responsibility for something and it seemed like he was going to be mature and stuff...
but then two more hours went by and he makes some comments like this where he is shifting the blaim on others...
and so i guess we're back to the old Kobe...the mature Kobe only lasted two hours lol.
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Perhaps, but i'll bet he wasn't making posts like that about the kobe stans who were thick as fleas in here and fit the exact criteria he was talking about in his post regarding those who criticize Bryant.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you are correct there
It is a 2 way coin.
[QUOTE=Mrofir]ive been saying this for weeks -- I made threads about this crap weeks ago and everyone blew me off. If LA landed Amare it would be a steal because at the end of this season Sacre will be the starting center[/QUOTE]
If that trade actually happened, and it won't.
Dwight would leave a team that was supposed to be the best team in history, to join and create would could seriously be the best team in history. Dwight and Tyson on the same team would be monstrous.
[QUOTE=Money 23]If you're about winning collectively with your teammates, and not on selfish agendas ... that's exactly the point. If you're a legit competitor and not just a glory hound, you do whatever it takes to win with the framework of the team and team chemistry.
If that means sacrificing your pursuit of 30 ppg, increasing your efficiency by taking smart shots and getting others involved, while playing CONSISTENT stellar defense ... that's what you do.
The goal is to lead "his team" to wins. If he shoulders the responsibility of calling the Lakers his team, and he gets the credit when they win, he needs to look in the mirror when they are losing.
Or in this case, a stacked roster with a sub .500 record heading mid way into the season.
:no:[/QUOTE]
Yeah Money they are one game away from the midway point. He doesn't need to take the offensive weight because DH is about 3 FGA off from last year as he enters his prime and Kobe is about 4 FGA above where he should be. Gasol is down 3 FGA. While Kobe is down 1 shot per game he takes a whopping 11 FGA more per game than DH???
When the Boston big three merged Ray Allen took 7.5 less FGA and Garnett almost 4 less FGA and Pierce 4.5 less and they all averaged between 13.5 and 13.9. All were younger than Kobe and the team was able to commit to defense and win like crazy.
So maybe that option, of spreading the ball a little more should at least be tried.
twitter is going to have Kobe killed. bump this if it comes true.
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[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Did you say the same about your fellow Kobe Klowns during the Bron to Heat saga? F outta here, and stay mad[/QUOTE]
They can dish it but cant take it
Exact quote:
[I]"This team needs me on[B] both ends of the floor[/B]," . "So unless they're going to do something roster-wise, I have to continue to push through it."
"No," he said. "Listen, if this is what we're rolling with, I can't make excuses. I have to go out there and do my job."[/I]
Hes basically saying his teammates are awful defenders an would like a trade in that direction. Reading comprehension ppl...
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]You need to stop being a ****ing ****** ASAP. Kobe's the 7th greatest player of all-time. Gtfo with this top 15 bruceblitz type bullshit.
30-5-5 on 47FG/58TS/52EFG
Why would be retire :facepalm:[/QUOTE]
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i think gasol gets traded by the deadline.
I think it's funny how he says the team needs him on both ends of the floor but keeps showing up on only one...and even then, often in the most disruptive way possible.
Kobe Bryant is so ****ing passive aggressive. He is one of the most manipulative players in the history of the game. "Blame me, but you better do something fast or I'm going to continue to play hero ball."
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]Did you say the same about your fellow Kobe Klowns during the Bron to Heat saga? F outta here, and stay mad[/QUOTE]
Bro don't come at me like I'm a 14 year old kid around here. Check yourself and sign off for a good while. Period.
[QUOTE=Connor B]Kobe Bryant is so ****ing passive aggressive. He is one of the most manipulative players in the history of the game. "Blame me, but you better do something fast or I'm going to continue to play hero ball."[/QUOTE]
So what should he have said in the face of questions? CLEARLY the team isn't working out. So should he BS and say that this team is in contention for a title or what? We're not all stupid. Or...should he come right out and say that he wants them to make the trades we all KNOW they're going to make anyway?
Kobe gonna gun for the scoring title, so he can eventually blame it all on his teammates.
Its not about the roster-its about the coach.
Its not about kobe's stats-its about the coach.
its not about kobe's team mates- its about the coach.
kobe was putting up worse numbers under phil but the lakers were winning games.
Kobe's great, but phil made him.
no knock on jordan, but phil made him as well, bulls weren;t winning shit without phil.
PHIL JACKSON is the greatest of all time.
[QUOTE=B4llin]Its not about the roster-its about the coach.
Its not about kobe's stats-its about the coach.
its not about kobe's team mates- its about the coach.
kobe was putting up worse numbers under phil but the lakers were winning games.
Kobe's great, but phil made him.
no knock on jordan, but phil made him as well, bulls weren;t winning shit without phil.
PHIL JACKSON is the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE]
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Kobe can carry them offensively, he can do that while they suck. He can score near 30 a night and so on. He can do that and play the stupid 38 minutes a night they play him at.
However, you then on defence have to have him guard a non scorer on defence. Against certain teams, that easy, put him on the Brewer's, Sefalosha's, and Tony Allens of this world. The problem is, when that happens he refuses to guard them. He goes hunting for steals in the passing lanes and the defence falls apart because of it since Nash or the other point guards don't have the ability to stay in front of their man and force offensive errors.
So what they did was, because Nash cant guard anyone, have Kobe guard the best player on the other end. They had him guard Jennings and Irving already. He has to concentrate on that end of the floor now, he has to do the right things and not go hunting.He does a fantastic job on those dudes.
So now your asking a guy 16 odd years into his career to guard the best scorer, carry the main load offensively and play 38 a night...Kobe is a gamer, he will do it, but it will NEVER work.
He will get worn out easily and have off shooting nights when his legs aint under him and even if they make the playoffs he wont have the energy to do anything there.
They have to
A. Sort out the offence.
B. Ship Pau out for another shot creator, a tall, athletic and long 3 for example
C. Get Kobe's minutes down.
Nobody does what Kobe is doing in terms of the minutes, the defence and the offence. Durant is the closest, but he has Westbrook who creates shots, Durant rarely has to iso
Anybody putting this seasons failures on Kobe and using it to degrade his career has an obvious agenda. The man with the miles on him can still play.
The lakers issues steam from health and poor decisions from the FO on two things.......not putting together a solid bench and not signing The Zen Master.
Wow chucking up shots and shooting a low percentage still have Kobe fans think he's in the right. No player should shoot 30 attempts unless you are hot and have 50+. He's not playing team ball and when he shoots contested shots it sure doesn't help since they brick most of the time and cause the other team to get fast break points. He shouldn't have more total attempts then Howard and Nash.
Problem is that Kobe will chuck with any other player except for like Lebron. I mean he has Dwight, Nash and Gasol on his team yet that never stopped him.
Trade Dwight Howard
He is a cancer and a loser
I defended Kobe when people were using that stupid stat about him scoring 30+ points leading to Lakers losing...but now he is costing them games with his chucking and crappy efficiency.
[QUOTE=DirtySanchez]Anybody putting this seasons failures on Kobe and using it to degrade his career has an obvious agenda. The man with the miles on him can still play.
The lakers issues steam from health and poor decisions from the FO on two things.......not putting together a solid bench and not signing The Zen Master.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=oh the horror]At this point, does it matter what Kobe says? Haters around here are reaching epic sewer levels in terms of their hatred for the guy. No joke.
If he accepts total blame, you'll find fault with that.
If he plays well, and the team loses, its because hes a ballhog that dominates the ball.
If he plays poorly and the team loses, its because hes a loser that couldnt carry them.
If he plays well, and the team wins, he could have done better, and shared the ball more and is looking out for his legacy.
The Kobe stans are lame yes, but the haters....You hate the guy, but follow his EVERY MOVEMENT, AND EVERY WORD. You come to EVERY SINGLE LAKER THREAD, and talk shit. You SAY its because you hate the fans, but the reality is, most of you are garbage.
I mean lets keep it real here no? I dont like certain players...so you know what i do? I DONT CARE, AND I STAY OUT OF THOSE THREADS.
Why do some of you spend so much energy on something you hate? You create threads, and follow the lakers around more than the fu*king fans do :oldlol:
Shit is getting ridiculous around here, and im sorry but haters are becomming a spectacle in their own right around here. You are seriously worse than the fans, and the stans and homers on this site.[/QUOTE]
:applause: good post. truth.com too bad it will be lost in the stupidity of this thread