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I'd ay wade is a better player than harden overall but harden still has had the better season. Surprisingly tho wade makes more shots than harden as a 2nd option while playing 4 minutes less. It's the free throws that harden draws that puts him over the top. But on the field wade is still a better scorer and defender especially if he were the 1a on his team.
I'm pretty sure the All NBA teams will sort out who's the best shooting guard this year. (Hint it won't be Wade) 20,5,5 is the best shooting guard in the league :lol yeah right
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]I'm pretty sure the [B]All NBA teams[/B] will sort out who's the best shooting guard this year. (Hint it won't be Wade) 20,5,5 is the best shooting guard in the league :lol yeah right[/QUOTE]
Not that I think he should be on the All-NBA first team (CP3 and Parker are probably the guards today; if CP3 misses much more time Kobe takes his spot), but it's a media award. Doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]I'm pretty sure the All NBA teams will sort out who's the best shooting guard this year. (Hint it won't be Wade) 20,5,5 is the best shooting guard in the league :lol yeah right[/QUOTE]
It's 21/5/5 on 51% shooting with 1 blk and 1.5 stls in 34 minutes while taking 15.5 shots. Once again, if you think Wade has declined from superstar status, you don't understand math.
For his role, I don't know what else you can ask from him. I have only two criticisms: FT shooting and consistency, as he continues to work his knee back to 100%. But, as long as he maintains his all-around game and keeps his FG% and efficiency high, he's basically maxing out the production that anyone could provide given that number of touches.
Think it's easy for an instinctive #1 to compress his efficiency and maintain commensurate production in a secondary role? Remember what happened when LeBron tried to do it in the 2011 Finals?
(Food for thought: LeBron is a better alpha than Wade (by less than you would think, though), but LeBron can ONLY be an alpha. But, Wade can be an alpha or a beta. LeBron can only do his job, but Wade can do James's job or his own (his current job) So who is more valuable?)
...Oh, and the All-NBA teams sorting out the best players? Awards that are voting-based? Did you really just type that?
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Take whoever you want, but there's nothing close about stats between Wade and Harden. Harden scores more, assists more, steals more, gets more points per attempt, shoots a higher percentage from the FT line and gets there more, shoots higher from the 3. Wade has the higher FG%, his RPG are higher, he ha fewer turnovers and and more blocks...but you look across the stats, it's not close. Even if you account for the disparity in minutes. So that argument is just the argument of a Heat fan.
In context, you're full of shit. There's no argument for Wade having a better season than either guy. If you would prefer him, either because the way he's playing as the 2nd option to Lebron is better for the Heat, or because you think he'll be the better player when it counts, that's fine. I can respect that and to some extent I agree.
But there's no argument on who has been better. None at all. Harden hasn't been inconsistent at all. What, he's had a bad game here and there or a bad stretch? How has he been inconsistent? He hasn't. He leads his team. Wade's impact is not close to Harden's this season. Kobe has been terrific all season. If you watch the games and conclude that his presence is a problem, for whatever reason, then you're having a different conversation...but that would be one thing. If you watch the games and conclude that his level of play is the problem, then you're stupid. If you argue that Wade has been better because he would do better with more opportunities, then you're not making any sense.[/QUOTE]
Level of play and negative presence is a direct correlation, so yes, it is linked and does matter.
As for Harden, not inconsistent? Really? :oldlol:
After having two huge games to start off, he goes on to shoot under 35% in 7 games in the first month. :oldlol: While the other 7 being over 40%, and one being in between 35-40%.
What would you call that? Consistent? :oldlol:
He had a 4 game stretch of not shooting above 30%. :oldlol:
He has 16 games shooting under 40% this season. That's 1 in every 3 games.
Hes had 5 games shooting under 25% this season.
Whoah10115 has been on the nail throughout this thread.
The argument isn't who is the better player between Harden and Wade. It's, who has been the better shooting guard this season. A sizeable portion of that correlates to the level of impact each has had on his team's success and progress. In my opinion, Harden has had a greater impact, despite the discrepancy in FG% between he and Wade.
Playing the what if game is asinine. If Wade was the Alpha on his team...if Wade wasn't injured...if Wade had more minutes....
So, we deal in false realities now? The fact is, he doesn't. And the question is regarding his current output, not potential output. The Dwight analogy Whoah used brings light to that fallacy.
This isn't a question asking who would you draft first, or who you rather have as your starting SG. This is, who is the best SG per this 2012-2013 season. If you're an objective observer of the game, then you'll probably echo these sentiments.
[QUOTE=jrong]It's 21/5/5 on 51% shooting with 1 blk and 1.5 stls in 34 minutes while taking 15.5 shots. Once again, if you think Wade has declined from superstar status, you don't understand math.
For his role, I don't know what else you can ask from him. I have only two criticisms: FT shooting and consistency, as he continues to work his knee back to 100%. But, as long as he maintains his all-around game and keeps his FG% and efficiency high, he's basically maxing out the production that anyone could provide given that number of touches.
Think it's easy for an instinctive #1 to compress his efficiency and maintain commensurate production in a secondary role? Remember what happened when LeBron tried to do it in the 2011 Finals?
(Food for thought: LeBron is a better alpha than Wade (by less than you would think, though), but LeBron can ONLY be an alpha. But, Wade can be an alpha or a beta. LeBron can only do his job, but Wade can do James's job or his own (his current job) So who is more valuable?)
...Oh, and the All-NBA teams sorting out the best players? Awards that are voting-based? Did you really just type that?[/QUOTE]
I agree on almost everything but LeBron is not a better alpha. He's just a better talent put in the position to be an alpha.
by the criteria used in this thread it's basically "best stats = best player". Harden may be having a better statistical season on the Suns 2.0 but I'd take Wade over him too.
Bump.
Wade sweeps the series with Kobe, while scoring 30 Points on 67% shooting, to go along with 5 assists, and 4 steals. Also closed out the Lakers with 16 4th quarter points, and a variety of great defensive plays.
Kobe Bryant committed 3 turnovers down the stretch in that game, including getting his shot tipped by Wade twice. Heat win 107-97
Season Series
Wade- 28.5 PPG, 5 APG, 4 RPG, 3 SPG, 60.5% FG, 2.5 TO
Kobe- 25 PPG, 5 APG, 5 PPG, 1.5 SPG, 43.1% FG, 5 TO
kobe how my ass taste
As much as I dislike him, Wade has been playing very well lately, but he is still behind Kobe, and probably Harden too.
[QUOTE=pegasus]As much as I dislike him, Wade has been playing very well lately, but he is still behind Kobe, and probably Harden too.[/QUOTE]
for the entire season, yes he is behind kobe but he has caught up to the bearded dragon
[QUOTE=red1]for the entire season, yes he is behind kobe but he has caught up to the bearded dragon[/QUOTE]
No, not quite. He is right behind him, and he is lucky that dragons don't breathe fire out of their asses.
1) Kobe/Harden
2) Wade
The top 2 have been carrying the load moreso than Wade.
[QUOTE=pegasus]No, not quite. He is right behind him, and he is lucky that dragons don't breathe fire out of their asses.[/QUOTE]
I can see why people would rank harden over wade because one had a shitty start and the other came out of the gate blazing but by the end of the season wade will most def be ranked over harden
[QUOTE=red1]I can see why people would rank harden over wade because one had a shitty start and the other came out of the gate blazing but by the end of the season wade will most def be ranked over harden[/QUOTE]
Save it, Nostra'.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]
Season Series
Wade-[B] 28.5 PPG[/B], 5 APG, 4 RPG, [B]3 SPG[/B], [B]60.5% FG[/B], [B]2.5 TO[/B]
Kobe- [B]25 PPG[/B], 5 APG, 5 PPG, [B]1.5 SPG[/B], [B]43.1% FG[/B], [B]5 TO[/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=pegasus]Save it, Nostra'.[/QUOTE]
you gon see :pimp:
Basically, you can separate low IQ ppl in this site by grouping the ones that say kobe < wade.
Kobe will make the 2012-13 All-NBA First Team, his 11th which will tie Karl Malone's record of 11 All-NBA First Teams.
As for Wade? Will he make the 3rd team?
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]
Season Series
Wade-[B] 28.5 PPG[/B], 5 APG, 4 RPG, [B]3 SPG[/B], [B]60.5% FG[/B], [B]2.5 TO[/B]
Kobe- [B]25 PPG[/B], 5 APG, 5 PPG, [B]1.5 SPG[/B], [B]43.1% FG[/B], [B]5 TO[/B][/QUOTE]
And a season sweep..
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not even top 5.
Even Laker fans on their board admit the team looks more cohesive and plays better with kobe on the bench:
[url]http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=157254&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1850[/url]
If Wade was playing SG instead of kobe this year for the Lakers, the Lakers would currently hold a playoff spot and not be on the outside looking in. That's the truth..
kobe was a team worst -14 yesterday for good reasons (or bad reasons depending how you want to look at it)
Wade's midrange is back. hes automatically the best SG now.
Kobe is still clear as day better than HGH Wade. Just because Kobe plays on a team with the biggest cancer that the league has ever seen doesn't change that fact.
I don't know if most of you guinness's know this but 50% of the game is played on the defensive side of the ball, & Kobe, & Harden have been terrible this year on defense. So right there for half the game Wade is already ahead of Kobe, & Harden.
& on offense, Wade is shooting .509% on 15 shots - Kobe = .465 on 20 shots & Harden = .452 on 17 shots.