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Pretty disrespectful to KG
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]basketball, in the present, will always be at a higher level then the past[/QUOTE]
Not the Center position......not remotely close, the Centers now suck!!!
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Not every single season. Hakeem missed the All-NBA Team in 1992. Brad Daugherty made it ahead of him (and Hakeem didn't miss games). Daugherty is flat out not as good as Howard.
Zo missed the All-NBA Team in 1998, with both Hakeem and Ewing missing much of the season. Dikembe made it ahead of him and Dikembe is flat out not as good as Howard. Even in 97, Shaq missed a bunch of time and Robinson missed all but 6 games. Howard in 2011 would have made that team ahead of O'Neal. He would have made the 1st team.[/QUOTE]
Daugherty averaged 21/10 shooting 57% from the field, 78% from the line when he made the 3rd team, with 3.6 assists and 2.5 turnovers. Howard always has more turnovers than assists and can't make foul shots. It is no sure thing he would have made it over Daugherty.
If the best players are hurt then Dwight has a chance but that doesn't make him better than them. Would you seriously take Dwight over any of the 5 i listed?
This is the nostalgia that many older people feel. Back in my day bread was a nickel. Back in my day LeBron would have been the best player in the league. Same thing really.
LeBron is the best player in the NBA now, and Jordan in his own words said LeBron would be as successful in his era, meaning LeBron would be the best player in the NBA in his era. :applause: Goes to show you how great LeBron truly is. We are witnessing the GOAT, let's enjoy it.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Like Nash said, the wings in Jordan's era were trash. I like Reggie Miller a lot, but he would be no better than Joe Johnson in today's NBA[/QUOTE]
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:biggums: :coleman: :coleman:
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]It's hilarious just try and think of players that would had to defend Lebron back in "MJ's era"
Ehlo, Dumars, payton LOL[/QUOTE]
What is hilarious is that you don't realize none of those guys would defend Lebron. Payton was a pg for chrissakes.
:facepalm
[QUOTE=tontoz]What is hilarious is that you don't realize none of those guys would defend Lebron. Payton was a pg for chrissakes.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
:facepalm he would be the only player quick enough to defend Lebron, he defended MJ for chrissakes
the MJ mythology is just too much, people gonna be telling us he had to dribble uphill both ways back in his era or some shit.
MJ is a very bitter old man. Unfortunately.
[QUOTE=tontoz]Orlando Dwight wouldn't even make 3rd team All-NBA in MJ's era. I would take Shaq, Zo, Hakeem, Drob and Ewing over him easily.[/QUOTE]
Well yes, the big men back then were better. Nobody is arguing that.
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]:facepalm he would be the only player quick enough to defend Lebron, he defended MJ for chrissakes
the MJ mythology is just too much, people gonna be telling us he had to dribble uphill both ways back in his era or some shit.[/QUOTE]
None of those guys would have defended Lebron idiot. They played different positions.
Feel free to list any current players who could defend Lebron as well as Pippen and Rodman. I won't hold my breath waiting. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]I absolutely agree actually. Wade *****s way way too much to make it in that era, Durant is too weak, KG...idk he could probably do it but who knows how he'd deal with real tough guys.[/QUOTE]
oakley would have ended KG's career a while ago.
[QUOTE=ZeN]I would have liked to see him go all 'Your wife smells like cheerios' to Charles Oakley :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
lol, read your post right after i posted my opinion:cheers: .
[QUOTE=Nash]Everyone in the NBA could play during Jordan's era. Especially wings, Jordans era had scrub wings.[/QUOTE]
the way wade used to play, that wreckless style, he wouldn't even be walking anymore if he played in the 80's.
I think people are taking this out of context or misinterpretting his comment.
He meant it as in, these are the only players that would have success in obtaining a ring in his era, and I agree.
Kobe, Duncan, and Lebron would all definitely win at least one ring. Dirk is iffy, but he did it with such a sparse team that I would think he would be successful with more help.
KG didn't win a ring without the "Big 3" and Rondo and even then, they still were taken to 7 games by mediocre teams.
Wade would be successful statiscally, it would be hard to imagine him unsuccessful in any era with his playstyle. I don't know if he would win a ring though.
Durant, remains to be seen... that's the one player I might include on his list, but he's not proven in this era quite yet. Hasn't even reached his prime.
agreed with everyone except for lebrick. it took him 10 years to finally win a ring and it happened in a cheat shortened season and where all the players who came from the 90's were way past their prime.
Jordan is being generous, I only see Kobe being able to dominate in that era, rest of the guys are used to the extreme softness nowadays, some are too comfy being carried by refs every playoff run. Duncan has a case though, fake ass KG would be punked imo, back pedaling trash talking wouldnt be any good back then, dude would get smacked for being a bitch. Dirk is a strange case, although his game is overall feminine and soft, his shot is just to unguardable , he would still be effective.
[QUOTE=Rysio]agreed with everyone except for lebrick. it took him 10 years to finally win a ring and it happened in a cheat shortened season and where all the players who came from the 90's were way past their prime.[/QUOTE]
You are rapidly becoming one of the best posters on this site :applause: :applause:
Pretty dumb comment by MJ.
Even if the new players are really somehow ten times softer than they were 20 years ago, if they had been in the league in 80's and 90's and it really was so tough back then, many of them would adapt their styles.
There's no way that KG, Pierce, Deron, Chris Paul, Nash, Rondo, Bosh, Wade, Allen, Parker, Ginobli, Marc Gasol, Durant, Westbrook, and Harden all would have been too scared to play back then or whatever it is that MJ is saying. LOL.
[QUOTE=tontoz]
Feel free to list any current players who could defend Lebron as well as Pippen and Rodman. I won't hold my breath waiting. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Hey now, don't underestimate modern defensive powerhouses like Gay, Butler, Matthews, Jeff Taylor or Chandler Parsons. :no:
[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]lol, read your post right after i posted my opinion:cheers: .[/QUOTE]
Oakley, Big Chief & A train mentality is not in today's league that is a fact.
This is clear example of guys living in the past. If they hate present so much, invest in a time machine already. :lol
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Jordan is being generous, I only see Kobe being able to dominate in that era, rest of the guys are used to the extreme softness nowadays, some are too comfy being carried by refs every playoff run. Duncan has a case though, fake ass KG would be punked imo, back pedaling trash talking wouldnt be any good back then, dude would get smacked for being a bitch. Dirk is a strange case, although his game is overall feminine and soft, his shot is just to unguardable , he would still be effective.[/QUOTE]
No, he's not.
Duncan can win in any era. He's so fundamentally sound and easy to play with. He's a great leader, always calm. Defensive anchor.
Lebron is dominating in a manner only seen in the modern era by MJ and Shaq, statistically. He's been winning a ton of games, and literally outperforms everyone else on a nightly basis.
Dirk has led the Mavs to how many 50+ win seasons?! He had so little help in his title year, it's ridiculous. To not think he would find success is ridiculous considering how little he had to work with and how much success he's had.
I see nothing wrong with his list at all. KG might be a different story if he had more help in his prime, but as it stands, he's only proven himself with the "Big 3" and Rondo. That was also when Superteams were just forming and they had the most stacked team. I would love to argue for KG, he's a great defensive anchor and his intensity rubs off on his teammates, but we don't have that much to base his success off of.
Jordan's era wasn't that long ago. The main difference is the rules. A flagrant 2 now was just a foul back then.
The other big difference is more international players. Other than that, there isn't much difference.
It isn't like we are talking about 50 years ago.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]You are rapidly becoming one of the best posters on this site :applause: :applause:[/QUOTE]
only a matter of time before jeff finally sees my talents and signs me to a max contract. :applause:
[QUOTE=tmacattack33]Pretty dumb comment by MJ.
Even if the new players are really somehow ten times softer than they were 20 years ago, if they had been in the league in 80's and 90's and it really was so tough back then, [B][U][SIZE="5"]many of them would adapt their styles.[/SIZE][/U][/B]
There's no way that KG, Pierce, Deron, Chris Paul, Nash, Rondo, Bosh, Wade, Allen, Parker, Ginobli, Marc Gasol, Durant, Westbrook, and Harden all would have been too scared to play back then or whatever it is that MJ is saying. LOL.[/QUOTE]
:applause: @ bolded
This is the point that so many people miss when addressing how people would perform in different eras. A person (especially great players) plays the way the game is played during their time. If rules, styles, etc. change the players have the ability to adjust. We see it all the time. Great players often adapt to the different defenses of the opponents they face during the course of a season.
:oldlol: Ridiculous statement, but he'll get away with it because he's Michael Jordan.
[QUOTE=Rysio]only a matter of time before jeff finally sees my talents and signs me to a max contract. :applause:[/QUOTE]
max contract no trade clause sounds about right :applause:
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Oakley, Big Chief & A train mentality is not in today's league that is a fact.[/QUOTE]
and why should it be? these guys would lose half their salary if they played in today's era.
[QUOTE=tontoz]Jordan's era wasn't that long ago. The main difference is the rules. A flagrant 2 now was just a foul back then.
The other big difference is more international players. Other than that, there isn't much difference.
It isn't like we are talking about 50 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Think about the superstars that won in "MJ's Era"...
Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, Bird....
Those players practically dominated NBA championships for 15 years. The only other team that won a championship during that era ... the Bad Boy Pistons.
15 years... these are the only players that found "success" during that era other than MJ.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]max contract no trade clause sounds about right :applause:[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]max contract no trade clause sounds about right :applause:[/QUOTE]
I think you have brain damage from that "Laker's flight" plane crash.
[QUOTE=Hank]MJ is a very bitter old man. Unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
What on earth does MJ have to be bitter about? :roll: You sound like the bitter one, f@ggot.
You're just mad because Princess Wade wasn't one of the players mentioned. And rightfully so because his flopping, HGH pumping ass would be ringless in the 90's.
Uhhh.... Didn't Kenny Smith play in Jordan's era? I'm supposed to believe Kenny Smith is a top 5 player in today's NBA?
Jordan is Obviously getting old and now in that "back in my day things were better talk" He is Delusional if he doesn't realize players are bigger, faster, stronger today just like the NFL from 25 years ago. Yes Rules are different and teams dont play traditional like in the past but Players Adapt to the given situation. He says Lebron would not be as Successful is ridiculous in every facet of the sense.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Uhhh.... Didn't Kenny Smith play in Jordan's era? I'm supposed to believe Kenny Smith is a top 5 player in today's NBA?[/QUOTE]
In today's NBA Kenny Smith would be backing up Steve on the Lakers.
Steve Blake.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]max contract no trade clause sounds about right :applause:[/QUOTE]
You are the worst or at least most Biased Poster on these Boards so nothing you say can be taken seriously.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Uhhh.... Didn't Kenny Smith play in Jordan's era? I'm supposed to believe Kenny Smith is a top 5 player in today's NBA?[/QUOTE]
huh?
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Jordan is being generous, I only see Kobe being able to dominate in that era, rest of the guys are used to the extreme softness nowadays, some are too comfy being carried by refs every playoff run. Duncan has a case though, fake ass KG would be punked imo, back pedaling trash talking wouldnt be any good back then, dude would get smacked for being a bitch. Dirk is a strange case, although his game is overall feminine and soft, his shot is just to unguardable , he would still be effective.[/QUOTE]
Really you think Kobe would Dominate .. what a Shock.. Seriously you are a hack. It really must Irk you that there is a player WHILE KOBE IS STILL PLAYING that has passed him. Kobe might be most overrated player of all time. He is Very Lucky to have had Shaq win him 3 Ships while being the Complimentary piece and than playing with a Stacked Lakers team being the So called man. Whenever Kobe has not been on a stacked team he never has Carried that team to greater height than they should have achieved like Lebron did with the Cavs.
[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Jordan is Obviously getting old and now in that "back in my day things were better talk" [B]He is Delusional if he doesn't realize players are bigger, faster, stronger today just like the NFL from 25 years ago[/B]. [/QUOTE]
25 years ago Jordan had no rings.
Some of you guys are really exaggerating. James Harden is dominating now but he is undersized and not that athletic.
Durant is one of the weakest forwards of any era, and isn't quick either. He doesn't like contact unless it gets him to the foul line. His production would definitely suffer under the old rules.
[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Really you think Kobe would Dominate .. what a Shock.. Seriously you are a hack. It really must Irk you that there is a player WHILE KOBE IS STILL PLAYING that has passed him. Kobe might be most overrated player of all time. He is Very Lucky to have had Shaq win him 3 Ships while being the Complimentary piece and than playing with a Stacked Lakers team being the So called man. Whenever Kobe has not been on a stacked team he never has Carried that team to greater height than they should have achieved like Lebron did with the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
If Kobe is so lucky, then why did he have playoff runs like this when he won his titles?
21/5/4
29/7/6
27/6/5
30/5/6
29/6/6
Top 10 player in the league for all 5 titles and top 5 player for 4 of the 5 titles, actually, most would agree he was a top 3 player for 4 of the 5 titles.
There are so many double standards here. If it's a player you don't like, he was "lucky" to have a good cast. Except all players need good casts to win, very few players actually come through multiple times and deliver. Plenty of great players have had the casts to do it, and have fallen short.
I wouldn't call any of Kobe's championship teams stacked either. He played with a superstar for the first 3, and a very good all-star big man for the last 2, but once again, the word stacked is misused and overused on this board.