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[QUOTE=bokes15]I said this a couple months ago and I still believe so now. Bargnani will probably be on the roster until years end. I mean, BC could always surprise me but I just feel as though he's gonna keep a high asking price and refuse to do a "just to get rid of him and save cap space" move.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: Too predictable. :facepalm
Believe it or not i'm disappointed. With the Gay move there's no more need for him on our team. There were rumors that the Lakers, Clippers, Bulls, Bobcats, and Sixers were considering trades for him but none went down. The only thing that would make sense to me going forward is to have Bargs back up Val at Center (or start at Center) and to take Gray out of the rotation altogether other than maybe garbage minutes or when we need a hard foul. I'm ok with the Telfair move. At least he's better than JL3. I figured the bacup point if it was addressed at all would be with a cheap move like that rather than a big move like say DJ, Crawford, Bledsoe, Crawford for Derozan, Bargs, Alan Anderson
New roster:
Lowry/Bledsoe/JL3
Ross/Crawford
Gay/Fields/Pietrus
Amir/Kleiza/Acy
Val/DJ/Gray
Not a bad squad if you ask me. Insert Ross into the starting lineup since JC is more comfortable as a backup anyways. Ross perhaps blossoms as a starter. Bledsoe as a legit/capable backup point. Ditto for DJ, or DJ might even start but either way it's an upgrade and he takes Gray's minutes.
^ Clippers would never give up Bledsoe and Jordan for Bargnani and DeRozan.
[QUOTE=Toni]^ Clippers would never give up Bledsoe and Jordan for Bargnani and DeRozan.[/QUOTE]
Let alone include Crawford :oldlol:
Great article here on The Bargnani Problem:
[url]http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/02/21/raptors-have-no-answers-for-andrea-bargnani-problem/[/url]
The real kicker is at the end, and is straight, uncomfortable truth (bold is mine):
[QUOTE]Colangelo, or whoever is in charge this summer, is going to have to manoeuvre to change much about the identity of the Raptors. Rookies Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross have shown enough this year in limited play to indicate that they could and should improve next year. Valanciunas, in particular, could make the team a lot better as he learns to direct the team’s defence. In addition, another year of the team getting used to playing with Gay and vice versa could make the Raptors better.
But even then, the Raptors’ ceiling appears to be that of a borderline playoff team; that is where the heavy lifting will come into play. The Raptors are going to be over or nearly over the luxury tax, even given the use of the amnesty clause on Linas Kleiza. [B]That means the Raptors will be well over the salary cap, and be left with no ways beyond a trade to dramatically improve the roster.[/B]
Accordingly, the Raptors are going to get a good chance to find out what their assets are worth. Valanciunas is likely close to untouchable, but the Raptors have a few other intriguing players, from Ross to Amir Johnson to DeMar DeRozan to Kyle Lowry. Perhaps the Raptors can turn some of those players into more productive ones.
It is just clear that Bargnani no longer falls into that category.[/QUOTE]
You guys are forgetting that Bledsoe is an expirer who is gonna probably get a heavy deal in the off-season that the Clippers may not want to match. So to get back Derozan for him would be good. Then DJ has not at all lived up to potential and is closer to Javale Mcgee territory than the Ibaka that he had the potential to become. They get Bargnani to replace Crawford (who all you guys call a 7 foot Jamal Crawford anyways) and Anderson is just a glue guy to kind of replace an ancient Grant Hill in the rotation.
trading Bargnani as an expirer is likely to bring in more attractive offers.
Unfortunately that opens the door to having him until next deadline day. Let the count down begin.
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]trading Bargnani as an expirer is likely to bring in more attractive offers.
Unfortunately that opens the door to having him until next deadline day. Let the count down begin.[/QUOTE]
Any scenario that was gonna leave Bargs on this roster is a MAJOR disappointment to me. At this point i'd have been happy if he was traded for a bag of peanuts and some poutine (I haven't had poutine in a long ass time). :oldlol:
[QUOTE=bokes15]Any scenario that was gonna leave Bargs on this roster is a MAJOR disappointment to me. At this point i'd have been happy if he was traded for a bag of peanuts and some poutine (I haven't had poutine in a long ass time). :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean, trust me, I was trade or bust as much as anyone else. Trying to find the silver lining, a trade in the summer might be better in the long run. Wasn't a fan of the deals on the table anyways. I'd rather not risk long term success for short term satisfaction.
[QUOTE=Burgz V2]I know what you mean, trust me, I was trade or bust as much as anyone else. Trying to find the silver lining, a trade in the summer might be better in the long run. Wasn't a fan of the deals on the table anyways. I'd rather not risk long term success for short term satisfaction.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with you though in saying that he'll have more value as an expirer than he does right now with his value at an all time low. I'm just so sick and tired of him I wish he was gone.
So the off season looms...
I think "any trade potential" ends up being a simple function of Luxury tax hell.
Which teams are going into 2013/14 as repeat offenders of the tax and have the escalation clauses kick in ?Which teams are desparate to get under so they dont have mutli years in the tax?
I guess...
Miami
LA Lakers
Dallas
NY Knicks
Brooklyn
Chicago.
So any deal to be made is in those 6 off the top of my head ; of course it could involve a 3rd team.
Still may center around Smith with the Hawks where the Raptors and Barges expirer are the 3rd party.
Saw these online yesterday:
[IMG]http://cdn.bluetoro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bryan-Colangelo-Andre-Bargnani-560x420.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://cdn.bluetoro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Andrea-Bargnanis-new-sponsors-560x350.jpg[/IMG]
The only reason I am ok with keeping Bargnani is because there is a ETO on the last year of his contract meaning next year would be realistically his last year making big money.
Maybe he will start performing next year knowing it's likely a contract year that will break or make his career. Then we can ship him out of town as an expirer and obtain another piece for our core like we did when we got Rudy for basically the expiring contract known as Jose Calderon.
Next year I can see a deal like Bargnani and Ross for another overpaid, overrated "superstar" if Colangelo is still in control. That's what he does best.
From my understanding ETO is a player option, not a team option. So unless he has something major in the works he's not gonna turn down 11.5M in his final year (2015) to go elsewhere. He's got 2 more guaranteed years. And on top of that he has a 5% trade kicker so he'll be due more money if we trade him.
[QUOTE=bokes15]From my understanding ETO is a player option, not a team option. So unless he has something major in the works he's not gonna turn down 11.5M in his final year (2015) to go elsewhere. He's got 2 more guaranteed years. And on top of that he has a 5% trade kicker so he'll be due more money if we trade him.[/QUOTE]
This really puts his insane extension into perspective, doesn't it?
- Extended him 1 year before it was even necessary (much like Derozan). Thus, BC outbid himself.
- Player option
- Trade kicker
The only thing missing was a clause that explicitly states "You are never going to get rid of me over the length of this contract".
[QUOTE=bokes15]From my understanding ETO is a player option, not a team option. So unless he has something major in the works he's not gonna turn down 11.5M in his final year (2015) to go elsewhere. He's got 2 more guaranteed years. And on top of that he has a 5% trade kicker so he'll be due more money if we trade him.[/QUOTE]
Oh for real? I thought it was the opposite way around, which was why I wasn't too upset about not trading him because I thought he was a potential expirer.
:biggums:
We should amnesty the **** out of him then!!
:coleman:
[url]http://www.nba.com/knicks/freeagency/faqs.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Team Option - This gives the team the right to extend the length of the contract.
Player Option - This gives the player the right to extend the length of the contract.
[B]Early Termination Option (ETO) - This gives the player the right to end the contract early, allowing him to become a free agent.[/B] [/QUOTE]
Yup. He gave Bargs the full deck of cards on this one. The world is his oyster until 2015.
[QUOTE=Toni]The only reason I am ok with keeping Bargnani is because there is a ETO on the last year of his contract meaning next year would be realistically his last year making big money.
Maybe he will start performing next year knowing it's likely a contract year that will break or make his career. Then we can ship him out of town as an expirer and obtain another piece for our core like we did when we got Rudy for basically the expiring contract known as Jose Calderon.
Next year I can see a deal like Bargnani and Ross for another overpaid, overrated "superstar" if Colangelo is still in control. That's what he does best.[/QUOTE]
Bargnani for amare will happen
[QUOTE=Toni]The only reason I am ok with keeping Bargnani is because there is a ETO on the last year of his contract meaning next year would be realistically his last year making big money.
Maybe he will start performing next year knowing it's likely a contract year that will break or make his career. Then we can ship him out of town as an expirer and obtain another piece for our core like we did when we got Rudy for basically the expiring contract known as Jose Calderon.
Next year I can see a deal like Bargnani and Ross for another overpaid, overrated "superstar" if Colangelo is still in control. That's what he does best.[/QUOTE]
Bargnani for amare will happen
[QUOTE=el gringos]Bargnani for amare will happen[/QUOTE]
The Amar'e has been playing lately I wouldn't even mind that deal. But they would have to take Kleiza and Fields back as well.
Bargnani, Fields, Kleiza for Amar'e
That's the only way I would make a trade for Amar'e. Bad contracts for a bad contract.
Edit: Now I read that Amar'e will be getting more knee surgery and will be out 6 weeks. I retract my last statement.
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