Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.[/QUOTE]

You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.[/QUOTE]

He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

It's not about that. It's about the fact that nobody is surprised that the Spurs a great record. When Rose won...it was in large part because the Bulls blew expectations out of the water.

Are we really going to sit here and say it is crazy that the Spurs might win 63 games or something given the last 2 years?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And Lebron's team record is absolutely worthy of him getting MVP. Do you honestly dispute that?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalm[/QUOTE]But I thought the best player on the best team always wins?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Exactly. And Lebron's team record is absolutely worthy of him getting MVP. Do you honestly dispute that?[/QUOTE]

Lebron being a worthy candidate doesn't mean that Parker is not one. Parker is a worthy candidate as well. They only give out 1 MVP.

[QUOTE=bmd]But I thought the best player on the best team always wins?[/QUOTE]

Are you arguing against yourself now?

You know what, I think Barkley said it best.

MVP is for the guy who had the best regular season. Overall. Not just statistically or team-based.

In that case Parker might just be a better candidate to challenge LeBron than Durant. And to be honest, MVP is basically just that.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Lebron being a worthy candidate doesn't mean that Parker is not one. Parker is a worthy candidate as well. They only give out 1 MVP.[/QUOTE]

Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.

It's just not enough.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and 3 of the last 4 MVPs were LeBron James. That doesn't mean being LeBron james is the #1 criteria. That's the the way it's shaped up.

The record differential is not big enough to take it from LeBron. LeBrons stats are so much better.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.

It's just not enough.[/QUOTE]

Lebron was having great seasons in 2008 and 2010 as well. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Are you arguing against yourself now?[/QUOTE]No, try to keep up. You have been implying that the MVP should go to the best player on the best team. Then how did Nash win the MVP in 2006? How did Iverson win in 2001?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker[B] because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.[/B]

It's just not enough.[/QUOTE]
Especially when you consider that Miami has a better record against the West then the Spurs do.

Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.

[QUOTE=bmd]No, try to keep up. You have been implying that the MVP should go to the best player on the best team. Then how did Nash win the MVP in 2006? How did Iverson win in 2001?[/QUOTE]

I didn't say should or always. I said based on history team wins play a major factor and its probably the most significant statistic followed by points. Field goal percentage would be #36523 .

[QUOTE=greymatter]Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.[/QUOTE]

He was top 5 last year and likely top 3 this year. :confusedshrug:

Legit candidate. No doubt. Lebron is playing like he's on another planet though; it's really his to lose.

[QUOTE=greymatter]Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.[/QUOTE]

Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]I didn't say should or always. I said based on history team wins play a major factor and its probably the most significant statistic followed by points. Field goal percentage would be #36523 .[/QUOTE]You are wrong. Things don't take place in a vacuum. It's all relative. FG% might usually be low on the list... but not when it is abnormally high like LeBron's. You take that into account. If the Bulls sucked, then Rose plays amazingly and now he Bulls are the best team in the NBA, you take that into account.

You take all of it into account to decide who the MVP should be. They may or may not be on the best team. It's all relative and different each year. That is why taking into account what happened when other people won in the past is meaningless, because circumstances change.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and [B]all the experts who know what the MVP really mean[/B] are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Oh, experts like Chris Broussard? :roll:

This dude just said this week that he didn't want to vote for LeBron because he already had 3 MVPs. Yeah, that sounds like some great EXPERT analysis. :oldlol:

When Parker sits out, does it honestly make that much of a difference? Are the Spurs really a drastically different team? Don't be foolish.

Ppl need to relax the OP has some valid points, however Lebron stats are insane and he will most likely get the MVP.

Isn't it funny how nobody has spoken a fcukin' word all season about Parker being MVP.

All of the sudden when it becomes clear that Durant won't be able to take it from The King, here comes the "Tony Parker for MVP" campaign out of the woodwork.

You guys might as well stop frontin' and just argue "Please, anybody but LeBron James. I can't take another one"

[QUOTE=rknine15]Ppl need to relax the OP has some valid points, however [B]Lebron stats are insane and[/B] [B]he will most likely get the MVP[/B].[/QUOTE]


This

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Miami will beat the Spurs in 4 games if they meet in the Finals this year.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]This

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Miami will beat the Spurs in 4 games if they meet in the Finals this year.[/QUOTE]
3 games...... Each game will be out of reach within 3 quarters. 12 quarters.

LeBron haters desperately jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon just to keep LeBron from winning his 4th MVP.

Melo for MVP!!!

Durant for MVP!!!


Now its Tony Parker for MVP!!!!


Go figure, Yao Ming's Foot, also known as one of the biggest Kobe d.ickriders on the board would be all over Parker being MVP.

I never said Tony Parker should be MVP just figured if people were posting stats we might as well post the stat that matters most in MVP voting. Sorry if that upset you. :confusedshrug:

Lebron in Feb . 30.2ppg on .66%fg .46%3fg .81%ft 7.6rpg 6.7apg.
Record 9-1

wow
and there is this thread

The strength of the San Antonio Spurs is not Tony Parker. It's the guys not even on the court. Gregg Popovich is the mostly likely guy down there to win an award. But more than that, the front office is very good. People talk about the Spurs being the best run team in all sports. They have been a very successful franchise. Tony Parker is just benefiting from that system.

LeBron James is the MVP. Any other player getting it is one of the worst choices in NBA history.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]He was top 5 last year and likely top 3 this year. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Talking about overall value as a player, regardless of team success. Not about the actual vote tally in the MVP balloting.

[QUOTE=DuMa]simply put if you swapped both players into each other's teams and situations, the Heat wouldnt be title contenders, while the Spurs wouldnt miss a beat with LBJ.

Its the system and the coaching that makes the Spurs great, not TP mainly.[/QUOTE]

What? The Heat would still be the best in the East. Parker, Wade, Bosh, come on. Parker and Wade would compliment each other more than LeBron and Wade.

lebron stats are better, but parker is playing below the rim, and isn't the strongest, fastest and most athletically gifted player ever, considering what tony does with his attributes he should be ranked above lebron, skill wise.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Isn't it funny how nobody has spoken a fcukin' word all season about Parker being MVP.

All of the sudden when it becomes clear that Durant won't be able to take it from The King, here comes the "Tony Parker for MVP" campaign out of the woodwork.

You guys might as well stop frontin' and just argue "Please, anybody but LeBron James. I can't take another one"[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, I think this gets to the root of it.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

The fact that he finished 5th doesn't advance your argument. If anything, it makes it worse. He only got 15 first place votes out of 125. He had more 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes. He had fewer 1st place votes than guys whose teams won 54, 50, and 47 games. Best player on the best team could only manage 5th place and it was about where he was expected to finish because he was never anything remotely close to a superstar level talent.

Tony Parker is better than Billups was, but not enough so to make a case higher than 4th place in voting.

Parker wasnt even considered a top 10 MVP contender during any time of the season.... not until when Duncan got injured, yes Duncan was injured for a couple of games, but before that it was Duncan who was the MVP favorite of that team (was a top 10 MVP contender alot) and even played like the DPOY favorite remember? Lebron never had that problem, he was the MVP of his team [U]every single game[/U] and the best defensive player of his team and was a top 2-3 MVP contender the whole season...... he just has to do [B][U]MUCH[/U][/B] more than Parker on both ends of the floor for his team to be that successful .... he is more VALUABLE....

At this moment Parker is where he deserves to be, TOP 3 mvp contender (behind Durant and way behind Lebron) but thats as far it goes and should go.... then i assume Duncan will maybe regain that honor he had before he got injured and erase Parkers MVP case like he has done most of the season...

This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs without Parker. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron if he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season. :bowdown:

It's baffling how retarded OP is. He's 3rd right now behind Lebron and Durant. People see someone play well once on national tv and proclaim them MVP.

[QUOTE=Graviton]This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron is he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Great post.

2011 was a weak year for mvp where as 2013 is a strong year. And still 2011 rose > current parker.