[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]:
As for your other stupid "points", I'm not going to discuss every nuance of Woodson's rotations and schemes with a troll like you. [/QUOTE]
i know, because you cant.
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]:
As for your other stupid "points", I'm not going to discuss every nuance of Woodson's rotations and schemes with a troll like you. [/QUOTE]
i know, because you cant.
[QUOTE=Teanett]i know, because you cant.[/QUOTE]
Because I won't.
Why don't you wait until playoff time to see what adjustments are made before getting your panties all in a bunch?
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Because I won't.
Why don't you wait until playoff time to see what adjustments are made before getting your panties all in a bunch?[/QUOTE]
oh yeah!
like mike woodson was not a terrible playoff coach with the hawks, when he invented "iso-joe".
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Teanett]oh yeah!
like mike woodson was not a terrible playoff coach with the hawks, when he invented "iso-joe".
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
So what? That was years ago. Coaches grow in experience and develop just like players do.
Doc Rivers got fired in Orlando after a 1-10 start. I guess that means he never should have been given another chance, according to your "rules".
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]So what? That was years ago. Coaches grow in experience and develop just like players do.
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grow in experience in the 5 playoff games since?
and atlanta was only three years ago and according to hawks fans, they were switching like bitches on d back then too.
It's a problem on both ends recently. But it has nothing to do with Melo playing the 4 or Shump playing the 3. Right now Shump's lateral quickness isn't there to shutdown pgs or some sgs. And SFs haven't been lighting the Knicks up, nor have PFs...if anything Carmelo has been their most consistent defender. But their guards are absolutely getting torched, by starting backcourts and their backups.
Team's are scoring so easily against them, and their jumpshots aren't falling when needed....so in order to try to keep up there has been a lot of one on one play.
Guards are torching them on pick and rolls, taking advantage of the switches, and getting out in transition...I'd say the best move would be to sub Kidd out for JR Smith and add some more athleticism....even though Kidd played well vs Toronto Friday.
Every Hawks fan already knew this.
there should to be a distinction between between a defensive minded coach or a coach that stresses controled offense at a slower pace, like i think mike woodson is. (may i call him a poor man's version of larry brown?) it limits turnovers and possesions for the opponent but it's not a defensive strategy per say.
i think rick carlisle is a fantastic defensive coach although his dallas teams are more known for their scoring. what he comes up with even with their limited defensive personnel now is good, innovative stuff.
the use of the zone in '11 was genius.
Gotta say. With how this team played defense last year with worse personnel. And with the personnel added this offseason...I never thought defense would be a problem with this team. If they don't figure it out by season's end, it could be a fire-able issue.
so yeah...
let jr go 5-18 and let amar'e sit after scoring 12 points on 7 shots in 21 minutes :facepalm
it's like last year's playoffs all over again.
fukker!
Bump!
he did the samething again last game, pulls Hardaway and puts in JR to chuck with impunity. I for the life of me cannot understand Dolan, Woodson, and certain segment of knicks fan's love affair with JR "two roster spots" Smith.
Not to mention the last play, we are DOWN and this mofo lets Melo dribbles the clock out for 19 seconds before taking a contested turnaround jumper. it was like we were tied and it was the go ahead basket or something
:facepalm
[QUOTE=LikeABosh]Knicks are an old ass team who wouldn't miss threes in the first couple months of the season. They're being worn out. Gonna be funny to see them lose in the 1st round again :lol[/QUOTE]
They lost in the first round last year?????? Smh.....
[QUOTE=miggyme1]They lost in the first round last year?????? Smh.....[/QUOTE]
he's referring to them losing in the 1st round in 2012.
the comment is from before last years playoffs. that's how long woodson's been farting around, cluelessly waiting for jr to get hot.
but the issue is Melo is uncoachable, and Dolan will keep stroking his ego. So no chance of hiring a real coach that will hold Melo accountable. Dantoni tried to do that and he was fired
Caramel is a damn twinkie. He's getting exactly what he asked for.
Mike Woodson for Mike Brown, straight up? Want to try it?
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]but the issue is Melo is uncoachable, and Dolan will keep stroking his ego. So no chance of hiring a real coach that will hold Melo accountable. Dantoni tried to do that and he was fired[/QUOTE]
Lol this Dantoni wasnt going to let Melo pull any of his dumb shenanigans and managed to put together two impressive teams by NY standards. Linsanity team and pre Melo knicks
[QUOTE=Meticode]Mike Woodson for Mike Brown, straight up? Want to try it?[/QUOTE]
hell yeah. he would force melo tp play princeton offense. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Teanett]hell yeah. he would force melo tp play princeton offense. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:lol
bump!!!!
[QUOTE=Teanett]bump!!!![/QUOTE]
How many more threads regarding Wodsoon will you bump? That said, you hit the nail on the head. He has to go.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]So what? That was years ago. Coaches grow in experience and develop just like players do.
Doc Rivers got fired in Orlando after a 1-10 start. I guess that means he never should have been given another chance, according to your "rules".[/QUOTE]
lol any REAL knick fan knew that melo was bad news and woodson is one of the worst. not many real knick fans around.
I'll be the first to agree that Woodson has proven himself to be incapable of heading this team at this time but much of the Knicks woes this year stems from the complete over-estimation of their roster talent, prior to the seasons commencement.
With that said, this crop of players should not have only amassed 3 wins by the beginning of December, regardless of who's coaching them.
Anyone knows why World Peace is sitting on his butt most of the game?
At least he is a funny joke.
Do all Knicks fans really think it's 100% Woodson's fault and their whole roster has ZERO blame?
[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Do all Knicks fans really think it's 100% Woodson's fault and their whole roster has ZERO blame?[/QUOTE]
No, but how does one switch the whole roster in a way that doesn't destroy the team for years to come in mid season? It's like the Net fans with Kidd, you can't make KG younger, Deron care, so maybe another coach could. It's not the same but that's the reason why, the coach can go easier than the team.
I don't hate Woodson as a coach but his rotations have gotten horrible and really random. He's married to playing big with Melo/Kmart/Bargs even though we lose every time we start them. Play small, force the tempo for now.
[B]New York Knicks Blame Rankings[/B][B]:[/B]
1. Carmelo Anthony - No other superstar would have his team in this position, regardless of the talent around him.
2. Mike Woodson - Guy clearly doesn't know what he is doing out there and frankly it is embarrassing to anyone that enjoys basketball.
Honorable mention: Tyson Chandler's injury - Dude is the backbone of a terrible defense. Without him they are blasphemous.
[QUOTE=Chrono90]Anyone knows why World Peace is sitting on his butt most of the game?[/QUOTE]
He needs to retire.
If they lose Thursday he'll be fired a few days later. Regardless if they start winning.
[QUOTE=niko]No, but how does one switch the whole roster in a way that doesn't destroy the team for years to come in mid season? It's like the Net fans with Kidd, you can't make KG younger, Deron care, so maybe another coach could. It's not the same but that's the reason why, the coach can go easier than the team.
I don't hate Woodson as a coach but his rotations have gotten horrible and really random. He's married to playing big with Melo/Kmart/Bargs even though we lose every time we start them. Play small, force the tempo for now.[/QUOTE]
hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):
1.
Nets get
Rudy Gay
Raptors get
Paul Pierce (expirer)
The Raptors get rid of Gay's contract, buy out Pierce (so he can go to the Clippers and join Doc Rivers).
The Nets get a younger wing in Gay.
2.
Kings get
Kevin Garnett
Nets get
Marcus Thornton
Jimmer Fredette (expirer)
The Nets get another young wing in Thornton, and see if they can get something about Fredette.
The Kings get Garnett, buy him out, and then Garnett goes to Minnesota to finish out his career.
Nets then have:
PG: Williams, Terry, Fredette
SG: Johnson, Thornton
SF: Gay, Anderson
PF: Blatche, Evans
C: Lopez, Plumlee
A far younger, more athletic team.
[QUOTE=hawkfan]hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):
1.
Nets get
Rudy Gay
Raptors get
Paul Pierce (expirer)
The Raptors get rid of Gay's contract, buy out Pierce (so he can go to the Clippers and join Doc Rivers).
The Nets get a younger wing in Gay.
2.
Kings get
Kevin Garnett
Nets get
Marcus Thornton
Jimmer Fredette (expirer)
The Nets get another young wing in Thornton, and see if they can get something about Fredette.
The Kings get Garnett, buy him out, and then Garnett goes to Minnesota to finish out his career.
Nets then have:
PG: Williams, Terry, Fredette
SG: Johnson, Thornton
SF: Gay, Anderson
PF: Blatche, Evans
C: Lopez, Plumlee
A far younger, more athletic team.[/QUOTE]
That's not a title winning team. That's a mess. With long term salary. Why do the Kings throw in Fredette to help the Nets dump Garnett?
[QUOTE=niko]That's not a title winning team. That's a mess. With long term salary. Why do the Kings throw in Fredette to help the Nets dump Garnett?[/QUOTE]
If both Pierce and Garnett retire after this season (which is not out of the question because of health reasons), then they will have to get players on minimum deals.
Pierce and Garnett don't have good trade value at this point.
[QUOTE=hawkfan]If both Pierce and Garnett retire after this season (which is not out of the question because of health reasons), then they will have to get players on minimum deals.
Pierce and Garnett don't have good trade value at this point.[/QUOTE]
The problem is King sold Prokorov on these guys and traded their drafts till 2018. If you flip them already to make a team that's also easy to see it's not a contender, he might get fired. I don't see the Celtic fire sale happening.
[QUOTE=niko]The problem is King sold Prokorov on these guys and traded their drafts till 2018. If you flip them already to make a team that's also easy to see it's not a contender, he might get fired. I don't see the Celtic fire sale happening.[/QUOTE]
Maybe.
Gay is still a high level scorer. And Johnson will start to decline next year.
Thornton is young and athletic. Pierce is old and getting older.
Fredette - who knows. He might be out of the league next year, but it's worth a flyer for the Nets to add a young piece to the rotation. It worked with Blatche.
this from purch from another thread. it sums up pretty much everything that's wrong with woodson from an unbiased non-knick fan perspective.
[QUOTE=Purch]Even though I'm a Jazz fan, my college gets Msg on it's tv's, so I get plenty of chances to watch the knicks, including last night.
If I had to compile a list of my biggest issues with Woody it would be this.
1. He has an unexplainable trust of Jr smith in every situation, even when he's contributing nothing. Take for instance last night , they needed defensive stops down the strech, yet they had Jr on the court rather than Iman their best defender. Also, in their previous game they were horrid shooting the ball, but Tim Hardaway came in an provided a spark, and they went on a run. Woodsen decided at that point it was smart to take him out for Jr.
2. His defense of the pick and roll annoys me as a basketball fan. His strategy is to have his team switch every single pick and roll. When you employ such a predictable defensive scheme, its easy for the offense to get a mismatch on nearly every possesion. The extreme of this can really be seen when they played the Spurs, because the Spurs really exposed all their defensive issues.
3. His offense. I remember I was telling knicks fans not to get to comfortable with Woodsen as a coach, because he's an average coach at best. The reason I used to say that was because I remembered how Iso orientated his Atlanta teams always were, and how quickly that got exposed in the playoffs. Honestly when I see this Knicks team without Kidd, I basically see his old Atlanta team centered around Melo and Jr, rather than Joe Johnson and Crawford.
4. I also get the sense that everyone on that team is on a shorter leash than Melo, Felton and Jr, who in all honesty, have gotten away with Murder in some of the games I've watched.[/QUOTE]
the last point is very disturbing.
bump!
they won 54 games last year and i was already ranting about switching back then.
i told y'all!
Can't blame him soely, just look at what he has to deal with...
JR Smith, Melo, Amare...that'll give any coach a good long headache.
[QUOTE=GoranDragon]Can't blame him soely, just look at what he has to deal with...
JR Smith, Melo, Amare...that'll give any coach a good long headache.[/QUOTE]
amar'e has been a bright spot.
as for the other two, sure, they're knuckleheads but there's an easy solution to get to them: sit their asses down. melo leads the league in minutes, jr gets away with murder and felton... omg!