Kobe Bryant on Michael Jordan, LeBron, winning championships, etc

Kobe, the ultimate competitor. :applause:

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Mad]:mad: :mad: :mad: [/QUOTE]
Furious.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]:facepalm

I'm at the point now where I don't know if you n!ggas are trolling or really just dumb as hell.[/QUOTE]

Yeah true, it's not what he said at all.

Though, I still don't see that much of difference in his numbers individually if he didn't play with Shaq. Probably does average more ppg/rpg/apg etc... efficiency might not be the same...

[QUOTE=RRR3]Furious.[/QUOTE]

It's a feeling of pity rather than anger.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Yeah true, it's not what he said at all.

Though, I still don't see that much of difference in his numbers individually if he didn't play with Shaq. Probably does average more ppg/rpg/apg etc... efficiency might not be the same...[/QUOTE]

I don't really like indulging in hypothetical scenarios but his numbers wouldn't automatically jump much higher than they are now considering by the time he developed into a star player he had to carry a 1st option load anyway. Maybe in 2000 and 2002 he averages 26-29 ppg instead of 22 and 25 idk. I also think his efficiency would be the same. If the only difference were Shaq was gone but Kobe still had the tutelage of Phil and Tex I think he could handle more volume without his efficiency dropping much if at all. Kobe's always been right around or above average efficiency wise for most of his career since he's developed into a star/franchise player (1999-2000).

:oldlol: Does anyone actually think YMF is a good poster?

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]:facepalm

I'm at the point now where I don't know if you n!ggas are trolling or really just dumb as hell.[/QUOTE]

A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. We've seen the type of numbers Kobe can put up without Shaq so I don't see why it's wrong to say that he'd have better numbers. People just hate for the sake of hating.

"Ultimately, I want to be known as a person who was just hell-bent on winning. If people say that about me, I'll be happy."

Spoken like a true alpha

I love LeBron but I've always liked Kobe because of his mentality, he's the definition of "driven" :applause:

[QUOTE=guy]:oldlol: Does anyone actually think YMF is a good poster?[/QUOTE]

he's a troll with an obvious kobe proping agenda.... so no

It's painfully obvious that Gobb_Junior is Lebron23. Posting like a robot :oldlol:

[QUOTE=TheWINdyCity]he's a troll with an obvious kobe proping agenda.... so no[/QUOTE]

Which post of mine do you disagree with and why?

Shooting the messenger might help appease your insecurities but it does nothing to disprove anything that I ever written on this board. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=ripthekik]How impressive?

Look at who they played in the weak east- not one superstar, injuries to Rose and Dwight, Lebron had Wade and Bosh, and played the youngest team in NBA finals history. So impressive.[/QUOTE]

and on this post i got negged (not really sure i believe it's lebron23)
[QUOTE]F*ck you you black n*gger. I'm going to f*ck your n*gger mom. Lebron wil be the GOAT and is already better than Kobe. I'm going to neg you when I get unbanned as Lebron23 to make you even more red you bakla. -Gobb_Junior[/QUOTE]

[quote]"They look at the individual numbers Michael put up and those LeBron is putting up. My numbers are great, but I played with Shaq. So those numbers have to be looked at from that perspective. They didn't have to play with a 7-foot-1, 350-pound dominant force.[/quote]
this fkng loser :lol without Shaq, yeah you'd have better numbers. but you'd have a career just like Iverson's you stupid motherfkr. remember when Shaq left, you couldn't even carry the team deep into the playoffs? you needed Gasol to get over the hump.

this is is the greatest quote Kobe said
[quote]You can have all the talent in the world, but if the organization isn't making the smartest decisions, you're not going to win. Dominique Wilkins had a great career, but he never got to that [championship] level.[/quote]
that right there is him admitting that if he wasn't on the Lakers he'd be another Iverson or as he said, Dominique Wilkins. so can we finally stop blaming Lebron for being drafted by a shitty franchise?

[quote]How about owning a team? "Only if it's in a big market," [/quote]
and Kobetards say Lebron is the biggest front-runner :facepalm Kobe is an even bigger front runner than Lebron. look at this guy's whole career. refuses to be drafted by a small market team. pouts when he doesn't get a stacked team. then will only want to own a big market team. does that speak of a guy wanting to win through adversity and overcome challenges? doesn't that sound like a guy who wants to win the easy way? this is how big the difference is between Kobe and Jordan is. so kobetards, choke on that you motherfkng losers!

[QUOTE=I<3NBA] does that speak of a guy wanting to win through adversity and overcome challenges?[/QUOTE]
Yes, his career and actions show us so.


[QUOTE=I<3NBA] doesn't that sound like a guy who wants to win the easy way?[/QUOTE]

No, that sounds like lebron, who left his own team to join a stacked team with top 3 player and proven Champion Wade, and top 5 PF Bosh. That action spoke loudly: he gave up, he couldnt do it, he just wants it the easy way.

[QUOTE=I<3NBA] this is how big the difference is between Kobe/Jordan and Lebron is. so lebrontards, choke on that you motherfkng losers![/QUOTE]
fixed.

The more I read about him, the more I like him.

Kobe, the best! :bowdown:

It's sad.. from everything that I've seen, people dislike Kobe because of his fans, not because of him as a player. I think if people took a step back and just evaluated Kobe for who he is as a player, he'd have a lot more fans and a lot less hell-bent haters.

isn't posting great stats and being the best player on a stacked team more impressive than being the only go to guy on a team? like a gem in a pile of rocks, or gem among the gems, u can't really judge them head to head though. That said LeBron led mo Williams and jamison, then today he leads Wade n bosh, don't think u can say the same for many players

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Then why was the market so weak for him. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]Because he was old and injury prone. A player's value isn't always based on how good he is. Paul George is more valuable than Kobe. Is he better? No. Not even close. But you get 10 more quality years out of George and a much better contract.

[QUOTE=Levity]"It does bother me that during your career, everyone says, 'Win championships.' Now, at the end of your career, they want to look at [individual] numbers. That drives me crazy a little."

great quote.[/QUOTE]

I agree with kobe here thats why its a joke to compare him and lebron. He has 5 rings to lebrons 1. Kobe had shaq but lebron has much better teammates in bosh and wade. If he wants to beat kobe, then he should win at least 5 rings. Now for jordan, he won as the man for his 6 rings. So only 2 of kobes rings is comparable. So when it comes to ranking

jordan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron

[QUOTE=PJR]:oldlol: I love how Kobe makes it seem like playing with Shaq was some sort of burden or some shit.[/QUOTE]

yet wants to credit the 3 rings as his own. And worse is that shaq clearly doesnt him need as evidenced by shaq winning with just a 6th man kobe.

[QUOTE=Doranku]It's sad.. from everything that I've seen, people dislike Kobe because of his fans, not because of him as a player. I think if people took a step back and just evaluated Kobe for who he is as a player, he'd have a lot more fans and a lot less hell-bent haters.[/QUOTE]

At times, yes...but him wanting his numbers to be looked at differently than other players and then harping on winning so much just seems absurd.

To put it simply, there was only 1 way in which Kobe wins his first 3 titles...Shaq. That's it. No other player in the league could have come in to the Lakers (assuming he doesn't get Duncan as a replacement) and allowed him to win those 3 titles.

Not to mention Kobe was just simply not good enough in his first 2 years to do what guys like Lebron, MJ, and Wade did. It wasn't until Kobe's 3rd season in which he became starter worthy really. And again...he still wasn't elite...probably wasn't elite until the 2nd of year 4 or beginning of year 5. And what happened then? He got up as many shots as anyone...

18 shots a game in 00 and 22 shots a game in 01...and he's been shooting more than anyone ever since...LOL

[QUOTE=knicksman]yet wants to credit the 3 rings as his own. And worse is that shaq clearly doesnt him need as evidenced by shaq winning with just a 6th man kobe.[/QUOTE]

Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.

[QUOTE=swag2011]Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.[/QUOTE]
Kobe already addressed this dumbass
[quote] You can have all the talent in the world, but if the organization isn't making the smartest decisions, you're not going to win.[/quote]
maybe it wasn't Kobe that helped Shaq finally get a ring, ever thought of that? Maybe it was the Lakers organization. maybe it was the front office building a real formidable team around Shaq. maybe it was Phil Jackson. Shaq went to Miami and still won. then went to Suns and Cavs but didn't again. see a pattern? shitty organizations never win.

Great read , thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=swag2011]Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.[/QUOTE]

maybe coz of injuries. All i know is shaq won with just a 6th man kobe and shaq too made the finals in his 2nd or 3rd yr.

[QUOTE=swag2011]Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.[/QUOTE]

As we all know, if something happened a certain way, such as Shaq winning his first ring with Kobe, then that was the only way universally possible that that something could've happened. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]:facepalm

Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with prime Shaq and 10 scrubs is more impressive than Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with 11 other all star players.

Teammates strength matters, Finals mvp doesn't. Basketball isn't a 2 on 2 game.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: Apparently every player in the league is either an all-star or a scrub/D-League player. There's no in between.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]couldn't have said it better myself.

Well balanced Teams kicking on all cylinders win championships!

If you aint a leader, NUMERO UNO option, then you are just part of a well oiled machine.

Kobe can be credited for just 1 ring 2009 ring. (HINT: 6/24 in Game 7 for 2010)

LBJ can be credited for 1 ring too cuz he was clearly a leader of well oiled machine called MIAMI HEAT in 2012.[/QUOTE]
Date of Birth:
March 31, 1979
[B]Age:
33[/B]

:lol

[QUOTE=RRR3]Furious.[/QUOTE]
somebody post this loser's picture so he can disappear again.

[QUOTE=guy]:oldlol: Apparently every player in the league is either an all-star or a scrub/D-League player. There's no in between.[/QUOTE]

Do you know what the word hypothetical means?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Do you know what the word hypothetical means?[/QUOTE]

My bad, but it did sound like you were implying that Kobe won with Shaq and 10 scrubs, while Lebron had 11 all star teammates. Either way, I don't really understand why we are arguing team strength here when Lebrons title was clearly more impressive the any of Kobe's first 3 and probably his last two as well, Finals MVP or not.

[QUOTE=guy]My bad, but it did sound like you were implying that Kobe won with Shaq and 10 scrubs, while Lebron had 11 all star teammates. Either way, I don't really understand why we are arguing team strength here when Lebrons title was clearly more impressive the any of Kobe's first 3 and probably his last two as well, Finals MVP or not.[/QUOTE]

Not based on strength of teammates
Not based on strength of defenses faced
Not based on strength of opponents faced

:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Not based on strength of teammates
Not based on strength of defenses faced
Not based on strength of opponents faced

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
but based on performance, you know... the most important thing

[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]but based on performance, you know... the most important thing[/QUOTE]

Kobe's performance during the first 3 peat in the playoffs is on par with many other legends. :confusedshrug:

This entire conversation was born out of the desire to ignore performance and instead focus on not strength of teammates altogether but rather Finals MVP and/or mythical best player on the team status. Now you are telling me performance is what is most important.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Kobe's performance during the first 3 peat in the playoffs is on par with many other legends. :confusedshrug:

This entire conversation was born out of the desire to ignore performance and instead focus on not strength of teammates altogether but rather Finals MVP and/or mythical best player on the team status. Now you are telling me performance is what is most important.[/QUOTE]
Why should being the best be ignored? I think its an important to note who the best player is on every championship team

When you a top 3 player in the game (Top 2 in my opinion - but Duncan is debatable) and you're actually a better player in some series than supposedly the most dominant center ever in the peak of his career - you don't just write that off as a sidekick accomplishment.

There needs to be a little context to every story.

[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]Why should being the best be ignored? I think its an important to note who the best player is on every championship team[/QUOTE]

Because it ignores the 10 other teammates. It's not a 2 vs 2 sport. Put Kobe on the Kings or Blazers during the 3 peat and his path to the championship is easier no matter if he would now be the team's best player.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Not based on strength of teammates
Not based on strength of defenses faced
Not based on strength of opponents faced

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
And thats according to who? Your delusional biased self?

[QUOTE=guy]And thats according to who? Your delusional biased self?[/QUOTE]

All star/ hall of fame voters
Defensive rating of opponents
Win loss record of opponents

:confusedshrug:

And Mike's (statistical output) would be higher if he didn't play w/ Pippen. LBJ's would be higher the last 2 years if he didn't play w/ Wade.

Magic and Bird's would be higher if they didn't play w/ great players. Same is true of everyone, so that point isn't really relevant.

[QUOTE=Calabis]No Kobe they didn't play with a dominant force which is why they didn't have instant success at the beginning of their careers as far as team wins(3 of your chips are because of Shaq) and you coming into a playoff team. And no Kobe, you would have not matched their numbers in your first two to three seasons....if that's the case you would have been more dominant early on and not sitting behind Eddie Jones.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Funny how Kobe talks about numbers, yet fails to mention he took MORE shots than Shaq. :oldlol:

2000-01, FGA: Kobe-22.2, Shaq-19.2
2001-02, FGA: Kobe-20, Shaq-18.3
2002-03, FGA: Kobe-23.5, Shaq-18.1
2003-04, FGA: Kobe-18.1, Shaq-14.1

Bean was a second option in '99, and '99-00. In '98, he was more like a third or fourth option, and in '96-97, Kobe was more like a seventh option. There's a reason for that. He wasn't that great coming out of highschool AND had to earn the right to lead the way offensively.