Haha @ The Holy Bible

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]The message is not to obey, the message is to accept and atone and to live a good life over an evil one because there is temptation all around us and we are all guilty of succumbing to it. No one religious person on this Earth, not even the Pope who is merely just an elected official has all the answers.

What I find it hard to believe is that those who do not believe in something whether it be God or Religion for example, sure do spend a lot of time talking about it and enforcing their beliefs on others and passing it off as truth, or passing it off as rubbish that others believe in a deity or practice a religion. They fail to see that they are doing the same thing they hate, and that is to spread their version of what's real.


I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because [SIZE="6"][B]I [/B][/SIZE]don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.[/QUOTE]
Well said.:applause:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because [SIZE="6"][B]I [/B][/SIZE]don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.[/QUOTE]

And if people started proposing laws and taxes regarding bigfoot you would still not care? That is the difference.

[QUOTE=miller-time]And if people started proposing laws and taxes regarding bigfoot you would still not care? That is the difference.[/QUOTE]


Explain further please. What laws and taxes do we have concerning God, Religion, Spirituality?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]The message is not to obey, the message is to accept and atone and to live a good life over an evil one because there is temptation all around us and we are all guilty of succumbing to it. No one religious person on this Earth, not even the Pope who is merely just an elected official has all the answers.

What I find it hard to believe is that those who do not believe in something whether it be God or Religion for example, sure do spend a lot of time talking about it and enforcing their beliefs on others and passing it off as truth, or passing it off as rubbish that others believe in a deity or practice a religion. They fail to see that they are doing the same thing they hate, and that is to spread their version of what's real.


I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because [SIZE="6"][B]I [/B][/SIZE]don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists, but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.

OP is spot on with his posts. Biased douche bags getting mad. :lol

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists, but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.[/QUOTE]


Well, the comparison was to show you that if I don't believe in something, I don't go out of my way to tell you why I don't believe in it and why you shouldn't believe in it too. I am not anyone's master, therefore the decision to believe or not to believe lies with you and only you. You're also changing the context of the subject we were talking about though and we were never talking about violence earlier. But I will retort nevertheless. Religious zealotry and devotion is the result of the fallible man. Name me one governing body, country, nation, that has successfully governed itself by using religion as it's guide. You can't. All of them have failed and this is what we are currently seeing happen in the Middle East.

However, not to tail off on to something else, no matter how much cruelty and evil has been done in the name of God or Religion, it still does not take away from the original message of the Bible or of God for example. Man has perverted it to his favor and has always failed. Hell, you don't even have to take the Bible word for word, just accept the overall message and do good by it.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Explain further please. What laws and taxes do we have concerning God, Religion, Spirituality?[/QUOTE]

Well I said proposing, not instated laws. But there are a bunch of states that prohibit an atheist from holding office in the US (although I'm not sure how strongly they would be enforced today?).

I'm more talking about the kinds of people that want to change the law based on their beliefs. Proposed anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality laws often seem to stem from that right wing Christian base. You also have minority Muslims proposing the introduction of Sharia law in a lot of western countries (some of them even illegally practicing the law in their communities).

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend][B]I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists[/B], but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.[/QUOTE]
Lol you better not, reading lots of your threads you really sound like a retard having trouble in community college but who knows probably not.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdV23m_OxQ"]I woke up from a deep, deep sleep and I found out... I was Jesus[/URL] :pimp:

Why is someone considered insecure for mocking the bible?

It's had a tremendous impact on modern culture, and world/American history. Even that sounds like and understatement. If you're not religious, and think it's all bullshit then there's literally nothing else better to mock. The day the bible becomes no fun to mock is the day that it's impact goes the way of the Greeks gods as a popular belief system.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Well, the comparison was to show you that if I don't believe in something, I don't go out of my way to tell you why I don't believe in it and why you shouldn't believe in it too. I am not anyone's master, therefore the decision to believe or not to believe lies with you and only you. You're also changing the context of the subject we were talking about though and we were never talking about violence earlier. But I will retort nevertheless. Religious zealotry and devotion is the result of the fallible man. Name me one governing body, country, nation, that has successfully governed itself by using religion as it's guide. You can't. All of them have failed and this is what we are currently seeing happen in the Middle East.

However, not to tail off on to something else, no matter how much cruelty and evil has been done in the name of God or Religion, it still does not take away from the original message of the Bible or of God for example. Man has perverted it to his favor and has always failed. Hell, you don't even have to take the Bible word for word, just accept the overall message and do good by it.[/QUOTE]

It's a forum where people post things they find humorous, so I don't feel as if I'm going out of my way simply by making a few threads.

I'm not looking to be anyone's "master" either. My mom is religious, and I frequently tell her how silly I think she is for kneeling before that nonsense. Would I want her to change and share my views? Probably not, because I don't know how that would change her as a person. I have no idea if she could cope with the fact that this is a cold, empty universe with nothing to offer her after it's all said and done. I can see the glinting fear in her eyes at the mere prospect of nothingness at death.

So, I don't make it my mission to make her think the way I do. I just have fun by poking her in the ribs every now and then.

T-Mac is religious, and I love him more than any other man on Earth.

It would break my heart if he got that scriptural scroll tattoo removed off his arm. Never would I want to change what went into making him who he is.

I think more athletes should tattoo Ezekiel 23:20 on themselves as it pertains to their lifestyle.

ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:

I have never met an Atheist in real life that didn't come from a broken family or suffers from some type of mental handicap.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]It's a forum where people post things they find humorous, so I don't feel as if I'm going out of my way simply by making a few threads.

I'm not looking to be anyone's "master" either. My mom is religious, and I frequently tell her how silly I think she is for kneeling before that nonsense. Would I want her to change and share my views? Probably not, because I don't know how that would change her as a person. I have no idea if she could cope with the fact that this is a cold, empty universe with nothing to offer her after it's all said and done. I can see the glinting fear in her eyes at the mere prospect of nothingness at death.

So, I don't make it my mission to make her think the way I do. I just have fun by poking her in the ribs every now and then.[/QUOTE]
You need a new hobby:roll:

THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns[/url]

[QUOTE=kNicKz]ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:[/QUOTE]


:facepalm this is a christian dominated western civilization. that is why christianity gets the bulk of the mocking... there isnt enough muslims or knowledge of islam to have the same kind of backlash against its foolishness

doesnt take take alot of brain power to realize that

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]You need a new hobby:roll:[/QUOTE]


He would play Xbox but his stepfather traded it for an 8-Ball.

[QUOTE=PrettyCool]THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns[/url][/QUOTE]

:lol :roll:

[QUOTE=PrettyCool]THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns[/url][/QUOTE]

That woman is disgusting.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:[/QUOTE]

I can't recall the last Muslim thread I've seen in this forum.

I have made fun of Muslim friends of mine too. But, this nation isn't predominantly Islamic, and one would be pretty foolish to go to a nation that was and start an anti-Islam verbal crusade... even if it were facetious and lighthearted.

Not a former Catholic, btw. Southern Baptist. Dancin in the aisles like possessed fools, so church was generally a fun experience. Not something painful to run away from.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]:facepalm this is a christian dominated western civilization. [/QUOTE]

the internet is a christian dominated western civilization? :biggums:

[QUOTE=kNicKz]the internet is a christian dominated western civilization? :biggums:[/QUOTE]


:facepalm thick as a brick, only not as useful

[QUOTE=shady6121]Muslims are sometimes just as bad lol. Trust me I'm an agnostic that was born/culturally Muslim.[/QUOTE]


Ive seen a few muslims 'rebel' against islam... They usually move to America first and do it from here tho :oldlol:

muslims don't f*ck around...

[QUOTE=shady6121]Most Muslims are ignorant and uneducated. 95% of Muslims don't even bother to read an actual translation of the Qu'ran and try to actually understand what they're reading.

All religions including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and etc. are cults.

There are three characteristics all religions share that are essential to the concept of a cult.

1. Thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them."

2. The intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members.

3. The charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.

The indoctrination techniques include:

Subjection to stress and fatigue;
Social disruption, isolation and pressure;
Self criticism and humiliation;
Fear, anxiety, and paranoia;
Control of information;
Escalating commitment;
Use of auto-hypnosis to induce "peak" experiences

Cults are absent of the betterment of the individual person but rather than leader only. Cults try to subvert the human will with total and complete obedience to the leader of a group or sect

Face it "Rasheed1", you're following a cult like all other religious people. There's no such thing as God. :lol[/QUOTE]



:roll: thanks for the useless lecture pal. Im not a muslim... (Derp!!)

Im not religious at all..

know who you are talking to before you talk... you played yourself real nice & neat lol

[QUOTE=shady6121]Most Muslims are ignorant and uneducated. 95% of Muslims don't even bother to read an actual translation of the Qu'ran and try to actually understand what they're reading.

All religions including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and etc. are cults.

There are three characteristics all religions share that are essential to the concept of a cult.

1. Thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them."

2. The intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members.

3. The charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.

The indoctrination techniques include:

Subjection to stress and fatigue;
Social disruption, isolation and pressure;
Self criticism and humiliation;
Fear, anxiety, and paranoia;
Control of information;
Escalating commitment;
Use of auto-hypnosis to induce "peak" experiences

Cults are absent of the betterment of the individual person but rather than leader only. Cults try to subvert the human will with total and complete obedience to the leader of a group or sect

Face it "Rasheed1", you're following a cult like all other religious people. There's no such thing as God. :lol[/QUOTE]
The question, really, is what does it mean that cults work? The human mind works in such a way that it falls for that stuff real easy.

So... what? Do we clamp our hands on our ears and go LALALALALALALA whenever that part of our human nature begins to stir? Have we been formed by millions of years of biological and cultural evolution to crave what cults offer as some kind of cosmic accident / joke?

Or are these impulses with a rightful place?

What do you think? Is the tendency to fall for religious / cultish stuff just some trap to hold the human race "back" from... something? (Despite everything you know about evolution and natural selection) Or does it have a point? And if so what do you think that point might be?

Atheism = cult

[QUOTE=Clifton]The question, really, is what does it mean that cults work? The human mind works in such a way that it falls for that stuff real easy.

So... what? Do we clamp our hands on our ears and go LALALALALALALA whenever that part of our human nature begins to stir? Have we been formed by millions of years of biological and cultural evolution to crave what cults offer as some kind of cosmic accident / joke?

Or are these impulses with a rightful place?

What do you think? Is the tendency to fall for religious / cultish stuff just some trap to hold the human race "back" from... something? (Despite everything you know about evolution and natural selection) Or does it have a point? And if so what do you think that point might be?[/QUOTE]


most people are raised on whatever religion they believe in. I was raised going to christian and catholic school. Bible class, and was even an alter boy. Its hard to accept the truth about religion since it has been a integral part of people's lives since they can remember..

It takes time to give up the idea of going to heaven... but for me, once I had accepted it? I felt better and felt freed up to live without the dogma weighing me down. Some people have church and religion as such a huge part of their lives, that I dont think they can ever let it go.... best thing that ever happen to me though..

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]most people are raised on whatever religion they believe in. I was raised going to christian and catholic school. Bible class, and was even an alter boy. [b]Its hard to accept the truth about religion since it has been a integral part of people's lives since they can remember..[/b]

It takes time to give up the idea of going to heaven... but for me, once I had accepted it? I felt better and felt freed up to live without the dogma weighing me down. Some people have church and religion as such a huge part of their lives, that I dont think they can ever let it go.... best thing that ever happen to me though..[/QUOTE]
Here me out. If every Christian had the choice between....

a) The possibility of eternity in Heaven or Hell
vs
b) Nothingness after our time on earth (just like before birth)

Thats kind of like....
a) Placing a bet where, if you win you receive 1 million dollars and if you lose you get all your limbs cut off
vs
b) Don't participate in the wager

What I'm saying is..Its easier to believe/more pleasant that after death is nothingness(just like before we were born). The possibility of Hell (aka eternal torment) outweighs all. If I became fully convinced that christianity was a false religion (and so was every other religion), I don't suspect I'd break down mentally. Heaven ain't portrayed as a given....


Secondly...I wouldn't say that me trying to abide to Christ's teachings is "weighing me down". What was weighing you down? At worse, adhering to the DOGMA is the ultimate guidance in life. It forbids me from doing nothing that would enhance my life (someone care to challenge me on that?). Of the things its teachings forbid, mastur-bation/porn is atop the list of candidates. But as evident of my postings in the "Official No Fap" thread, life (for me at least) would be a lot better without it. And I don't think that thats just me picking and choosing what I should abide by..

The OP is a douche but I see where he's coming from. First time I found out from reading the bible that angels had sex I was like :biggums:

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]Here me out. If every Christian had the choice between....

a) The possibility of eternity in Heaven or Hell
vs
b) Nothingness after our time on earth (just like before birth)

Thats kind of like....
a) Placing a bet where, if you win you receive 1 million dollars and if you lose you get all your limbs cut off
vs
b) Don't participate in the wager

What I'm saying is..Its easier to believe/more pleasant that after death is nothingness(just like before we were born). The possibility of Hell (aka eternal torment) outweighs all. If I became fully convinced that christianity was a false religion (and so was every other religion), I don't suspect I'd break down mentally. Heaven ain't portrayed as a given....


Secondly...I wouldn't say that me trying to abide to Christ's teachings is "weighing me down". What was weighing you down? At worse, adhering to the DOGMA is the ultimate guidance in life. It forbids me from doing nothing that would enhance my life (someone care to challenge me on that?). Of the things its teachings forbid, mastur-bation/porn is atop the list of candidates. But as evident of my postings in the "Official No Fap" thread, life (for me at least) would be a lot better without it. And I don't think that thats just me picking and choosing what I should abide by..[/QUOTE]

I don't know, the concept of ceasing to exist seems to be a lot harder to accept than having an opportunity to live forever in a happy place.

:roll: As far as fapping is concerned, not fapping at all is a lot unhealthier than it is to do so in moderation.

[QUOTE=Is He Ill]I don't know, the concept of ceasing to exist seems to be a lot harder to accept than having an opportunity to live forever in a happy place.[/quote]Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born

[quote]:roll: As far as fapping is concerned, not fapping at all is a lot unhealthier than it is to do so in moderation.[/QUOTE]
So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born


So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. [B]I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives[/B][/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
:lol sad? Does sound funny nonetheless

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]:lol sad? Does sound funny nonetheless[/QUOTE]
No, it sounds stupid. You really think if nobody was able to self pleasure themselves, that somehow that would be good for society? You can't possibly think that... right?

If so, explain how in the hell it would benefit society at all. The only thing on peoples mind would be sex, there would be a shit ton of testosterone driven lonely dudes just lurking everywhere, population would increase, rape would increase, etc...

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]No, it sounds stupid. You really think if nobody was able to self pleasure themselves, that somehow that would be good for society? You can't possibly think that... right?

If so, explain how in the hell it would benefit society at all. The only thing on peoples mind would be sex, there would be a shit ton of testosterone driven lonely dudes just lurking everywhere, population would increase, rape would increase, etc...[/QUOTE]
Originally I was moreso tying fapping and mastur-bation together. Mastur-bation to a lesser extent, but how can one mastur-bate without getting off to something? Porn, its just one of those obviously wrong things. What has porn done to families? How does it hurt the way a boy looks at a woman? How has it hurt the way young men and women interpret a relationship between a guy and girl? The women involved in porn? trash. The men? same thing

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born


So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives[/QUOTE]

I find it a lot harder to accept letting go of all of your loved ones for eternity than it is to accept a possibility of being rewarded for being a good person. I think of myself as a caring person, therefore I wouldn't fear the possibility of hell and would only look forward to living forever. I get no reward by ceasing to exist. The thought of never getting to see my loved ones again is an immensely tough pill to swallow.

Why deal with unnecessary stress and the higher prostate cancer risk you were referring to? If you can't moderate fapping, the problem has to do with your lack of self control than it does with the act of fapping.

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]Originally I was moreso tying fapping and mastur-bation together. Mastur-bation to a lesser extent, but how can one mastur-bate without getting off to something? Porn, its just one of those obviously wrong things. What has porn done to families? How does it hurt the way a boy looks at a woman? How has it hurt the way young men and women interpret a relationship between a guy and girl? The women involved in porn? trash. The men? same thing[/QUOTE]
So your problem is with porn, not necessarily *********ion?

There will always be negatives associated with anything. Food is good right? Sure, if it's healthy, but what about all the chemically filled shit that is littered in grocery stores all over the world and the fast food market?

[QUOTE=Is He Ill]I find it a lot harder to accept letting go of all of your loved ones for eternity than it is to accept a possibility of being rewarded for being a good person. I think of myself as a caring person, therefore I wouldn't fear the possibility of hell and would only look forward to living forever. I get no reward by ceasing to exist. The thought of never getting to see my loved ones again is an immensely tough pill to swallow.

Why deal with unnecessary stress and the higher prostate cancer risk you were referring to? If you can't moderate fapping, the problem has to do with your lack of self control than it does with the act of fapping.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't have to say goodbye to your loved ones, emotions don't exist, you don't exist. These are just your human emotions coming out.

The first second you feel the torture described in religious books, you would be begging to be put out of your misery, essentially begging not to exist.

What makes you think you would be able to see your family members in hell? Isn't the idea of hell to be in a constant state of unimaginable torture?

Come on.

[QUOTE=Budadiiii]You wouldn't have to say goodbye to your loved ones, emotions don't exist, you don't exist. These are just your human emotions coming out.

The first second you feel the torture described in religious books, you would be begging to be put out of your misery, essentially begging not to exist.

What makes you think you would be able to see your family members in hell? Isn't the idea of hell to be in a constant state of unimaginable torture?

Come on.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, I'm just trying to look at it from his perspective.