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[QUOTE=Myth]Huge difference between Lakers era Shaq and Cavs Shaq. I can't believe you thought that was even worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]
Ignore list comes in perfectly with that dude. He would probably say Nash got to play with Shaq as well
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]That team gets absolutely raped on the glass.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Imagine what Hibbert/West would do to that front court. Or even Millsap/Jefferson. Marc/ZBo. Faried/McGee/Kofous.
[QUOTE=qrich]Ignore list comes in perfectly with that dude. He would probably say Nash got to play with Shaq as well
:roll:
Imagine what Hibbert/West would do to that front court. Or even Millsap/Jefferson. Marc/ZBo. Faried/McGee/Kofous.[/QUOTE]
The Heat have won 22 in a row with that frontcourt. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]PG Wade
SG Allen
SF Kobe
PF Battier
C Bosh
vs
PG Fisher
SG Fox
SF Lebron
PF Horry
C Shaq
:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I take team #2. Btw, I think that team #1 would have Allen come off the bench and have Chalmers start at point. I think that balances them a little better than having 4 wings in the game and no point guard.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]That team can also shoot from everywhere they please in the 5 positions, sick[/QUOTE]
It's cool we know how much prime Shaq loves guarding away from the basket.
I think Sabonis is still draining wide open no elevation jumpers.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The Heat have won 22 in a row with that frontcourt. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Clearly you don't watch any games:
- Heat start Haslem not Battier
- Lebron >> Kobe as a rebounder
[QUOTE=Myth]I take team #2. Btw, I think that team #1 would have Allen come off the bench and have Chalmers start at point. I think that balances them a little better than having 4 wings in the game and no point guard.[/QUOTE]
Man, I'm tempted to take ignore off :roll:
Current LeBron with prime 02 Shaq would be deadly.
[QUOTE=qrich]Ignore list comes in perfectly with that dude. He would probably say Nash got to play with Shaq as well
.[/QUOTE]
I don't know that poster well enough to be annoyed with him to the point of ignoring him.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Clearly you don't watch any games:
- Heat start Haslem not Battier
- Lebron >> Kobe as a rebounder[/QUOTE]
Old Kobe has the most dominant Game 7 NBA Finals shooting guard rebounding performance of all time under his belt, I'm sure young Kobe could adjust to whatever his new team wanted him to do.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Old Kobe has the most dominant Game 7 NBA Finals shooting guard rebounding performance of all time under his belt, I'm sure young Kobe could adjust to whatever his new team wanted him to do.[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Old Kobe has the most dominant Game 7 NBA Finals shooting guard rebounding performance of all time under his belt, I'm sure young Kobe could adjust to whatever his new team wanted him to do.[/QUOTE]
One game does not mean somebody could be consistent with that. It also depends on the other team's game plan, and athleticism does not equal better rebounding anyway. I'm sure Kobe picked up a trick or two in his years playing the game. Could young Kobe have a great rebounding night? Sure. Would he do it consistently? I doubt it. Would he do it consistently against prime LeBron? I highly doubt that.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]:lol :lol[/QUOTE]
This is a much better response than mine. Sometimes I wonder why I respond seriously to ridiculous ideas. Especially the idea that young Kobe would do whatever his team wants rather than doing whatever young Kobe wants (which was to shoot above all else).
[QUOTE=Myth]One game does not mean somebody could be consistent with that. It also depends on the other team's game plan, and athleticism does not equal better rebounding anyway. I'm sure Kobe picked up a trick or two in his years playing the game. Could young Kobe have a great rebounding night? Sure. Would he do it consistently? I doubt it. Would he do it consistently against prime LeBron? I highly doubt that.[/QUOTE]
You are assuming Lebron even makes the Finals. Young Kobe/Wade/Bosh don't even have to face a 50 win team on the path to the Finals. That awkward Shaq and Lebron team have to face the loaded Kings, Blazers and Spurs.
[QUOTE=Myth]This is a much better response than mine. Sometimes I wonder why I respond seriously to ridiculous ideas. Especially the idea that young Kobe would do whatever his team wants rather than doing whatever young Kobe wants (which was to shoot above all else).[/QUOTE]
Isn't old Kobe earning all defensive team selections to this day due to through defensive effort he put forth in his youth? That's what you guys keep telling me at least.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]You are assuming Lebron even makes the Finals. Young Kobe/Wade/Bosh don't even have to face a 50 win team on the path to the Finals. That awkward Shaq and Lebron team have to face the loaded Kings, Blazers and Spurs.[/QUOTE]
I thought we were talking about 1 team versus another.
I counter your hypothetical situation with pointing out that Shaq on the 2011 Heat instead of Wade and Bosh may have put the Heat over the top of the Mavs. Any way we mix up these hypothetical situations can change the results, whether for good or for bad.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Isn't old Kobe earning all defensive team selections to this day due to through defensive effort he put forth in his youth? That's what you guys keep telling me at least.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I told you shit in that department. And rebounding and defense are different. We were talking about rebounding, and somewhere you pull out this defensive team selection shit like it is relevant to what we were talking about. :confusedshrug:
Now I'm seeing why qrich suggested ignore.
[QUOTE=Myth]I thought we were talking about 1 team versus another.
I counter your hypothetical situation with pointing out that Shaq on the 2011 Heat instead of Wade and Bosh may have put the Heat over the top of the Mavs. Any way we mix up these hypothetical situations can change the results, whether for good or for bad.[/QUOTE]
You don't get both Shaq, the easy path to championship and the superior Heat benches. You get Shaq, the other Lakers not named Kobe and the much more difficult path to the title.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]You don't get both Shaq, the easy path to championship and the superior Heat benches. You get Shaq, the other Lakers not named Kobe and the much more difficult path to the title.[/QUOTE]
Taking ignore off for a minute was well worth it.
What do the Lakers or the Heat have to do with this if it wasn't Kobe vs LeBron? I mean, afterall, aren't you the Kobe Loving F[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]ggot who earlier asked why Kobe was brought in?
[QUOTE=Myth]I don't think I told you shit in that department. And rebounding and defense are different. We were talking about rebounding, and somewhere you pull out this defensive team selection shit like it is relevant to what we were talking about. :confusedshrug:
Now I'm seeing why qrich suggested ignore.[/QUOTE]
You suggested all young Kobe cared about is scoring, yet its a common held belief on this board that Kobe Bryant has only been given all defensive team selections in recent years due to his defense back during the first 3 peat. Obviously young Kobe doesn't only care about scoring. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]You don't get both Shaq, the easy path to championship and the superior Heat benches. You get Shaq, the other Lakers not named Kobe and the much more difficult path to the title.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the 2011 Heat if they hypothetically had Shaq instead of Wade/Bosh, I wasn't talking about the Lakers :facepalm
[QUOTE=qrich]Taking ignore off for a minute was well worth it.
What do the Lakers or the Heat have to do with this if it wasn't Kobe vs LeBron? I mean, afterall, aren't you the Kobe Loving F[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]ggot who earlier asked why Kobe was brought in?[/QUOTE]
The initial question didn't but then you guys started creating fantasy situations where Lebron gets his creampuff path to the title, keeps his superior Heat teammates and gets prime Shaq. That's not how it works if you wanted to make it an actual young Kobe vs Lebron comparison.
Some of you have your lips so far up your favorite players ass that you can't admit the surrounding player(s) were better than a player you don't like.
Anyone with a brain would take Shaq over Wade and Bosh. You Kobe jock riders are idiots who don't even actually believe your own f*cking arguments. You just look stupid. Lakers Shaq with current Bron would make current Bron the second option more than likely. More than likely he does that to every player that ever played. He was that good.
BTW You guys don't have to update on me on how you are about to put me on ignore or took me off and put me back on. You sound ridiculous with the inane threats.
As much as I love Kobe..... I'm kinda wanting him to retire so the ******gers will ease up on the internet.
Seriously, nearly every NBA message board is just filled with Kobe trolls.
I think it has to been made clear. It is:
1) Shaq + below average players and bench
Going through strong West playoffs with Blazers, Kings, etc and the possibility of hack-a-shaq
2) Wade+ Bosh + Ray + Battier and all their shooters
Going through a weak east as currently: no superstars
Which would be easier to win a ring?
I like Wade and Bosh as much as anyone here but Shaq + average NBA SG >> Bosh + Wade.
As much as I want to say Shaq because he would murder and absolutely exterminate any center in the league today,Im choosing Wade and Bosh for the very simple fact that one great plus good beats one legend.
Teams would play zone and front,double shaq,and people think hack a howard is bad now,it would be shaq 20-40 fta every night,either he would become a great ft shooter or get his 20-30 pts but all with the game stopped and no flow.
People keep forgetting just looking at avg for wade and bosh now that they are still superstars,They just TAKE less Shots and play less Min and arent and dont have the main focus of the team or the opponent every night.
Bosh avg 24,11 his last in tor and 20,9 total in tor and wade had 27
Oh look...A Kobe vs Lebron thread. How original.
Is it prime Shaq? How about wade and bosh? Are they in their primes?
[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]I see Prime shaq as the superior player of the 3, put he can potentially give you 48 mpg, while Bosh + Wade can give you 96. I don't see the gap in quality that can make up for that.[/QUOTE]
There is only one ball.
Even Kobe himself would rather have Shaq to play with than Wade and Bosh.
So why are people acting like Hack a Shaq is a hard way to play? That's not a very effective method against him.
If you added up the stats of Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries youd have prime Shaqs numbers.. so that argument doesnt really work.
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]Even Kobe himself would rather have Shaq to play with than Wade and Bosh.[/QUOTE]
Ofcourse he would. Because playing on the Heat he'd have to work twice as hard defensivly to execute Spoelstra's trap heavy scheme.
There is no 7'1 330lbs behemoth to funnel your man to on the Heat. :oldlol:
The answer to this question is easily Shaq. All time great size. Having elite post players/size makes the game so much easier.
OP failed big time. Only a retard would take Option 1.
LeBron and Shaq two of the top 5 peak players in NBA history on the same team, are you kidding me? How could this even be a question?
Ok that aside how about looking at it from a different angle. LeBron + Shaq on the same team would be roughly 34 millon. LeBron + Wade + Bosh is roughly 51 millon.
That means you have roughly 24 million to fill out the bench, and other starters. 24 million gets you any GREAT third player you want, much better than Bosh...
Definitely Shaq. By far the most dominant player ever. LeBron's FG% would be even higher playing with Shaq. And this is from someone that thinks Wade/Bosh are both criminally underrated.
[QUOTE=plowking]Some of you have your lips so far up your favorite players ass that you can't admit the surrounding player(s) were better than a player you don't like.
[B]Anyone with a brain would take Shaq over Wade and Bosh[/B]. You Kobe jock riders are idiots who don't even actually believe your own f*cking arguments. You just look stupid. Lakers Shaq with current Bron would make current Bron the second option more than likely. More than likely he does that to every player that ever played. He was that good.[/QUOTE]
Even to pair him with Lebron? You do realize you're saying that despite the fact that Lebron's style of play could do nothing for dominant centers who can't shoot, right?
He is lucky he's got Wade, Bosh, and a bunch of great shooters/defenders. If he was as good as you homers are trying to make him out to be, he would win multiple rings with the same cast minus Wade. But as long as he's got Wade, we'll never know how good he could have been, and we'll always remember how he came up short year after year prior to teaming up with him (even once after, despite Wade playing at an FMVP level).
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Sounds pretty sweet. It's too bad Shaq and Lebron were never teammates so we could see this perfect symmetry play out.[/QUOTE]
Shaq missed 1/3 the season in Cleveland and was in his late 30s.
Past-prime Shaq in 06 was still getting heavy attention on defense. Can you imagine prime Shaq and prime LeBron on the same team? They win 70 games and the championship. LeBron/Wade/Bosh can win championships but they wouldn't ever be as dominant as they would with prime Shaq.
[QUOTE=pegasus]Even to pair him with Lebron? You do realize you're saying that despite the fact that Lebron's style of play could do nothing for dominant centers who can't shoot, right?
He is lucky he's got Wade, Bosh, and a bunch of great shooters/defenders. If he was as good as you homers are trying to make him out to be, he would win multiple rings with the same cast minus Wade. But as long as he's got Wade, we'll never know how good he could have been, and we'll always remember how he came up short year after year prior to teaming up with him (even once after, despite Wade playing at an FMVP level).[/QUOTE]
It takes two to tango. No other star player wanted to play in Cleveland. Why do you think all of LeBron's best (and I use that term loosely) teammates in Cleveland were salary dumps? Shaq, Williams, and Jamison were also traded for magic beans because their respective teams wanted nothing to do with them. Im not sure why people like to ignore this fact. NBA players don't want to play in Cleveland.