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I felt he definitely messed up his career towards the end man.. he had quite a few opportunities..
I wished he won a ring in 2001.. and if only he went somewhere instead of teaming up with Melo.. that guy only brings you playoff failures :(
btw, 2nd shoe is all white questions, i don't recognize the first red ones
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I dont give a shit what the haters say. you were the NBA in the early 00's[/QUOTE]
Nope.
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Lakers were the champions, but when you talk about the worldwide influence Iverson had, the popularity and influence he brought to youth all over the world, it can not be denied..
Who the f@ck is this clown in the skinny pants? :facepalm
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Iverson actual make great points throughout until the last one, how the hell can i make my teammates better through practice?
He says in the beggining he might have missed 1 practice all year. and i believe him. The media blowing shit out of proportion
[QUOTE=StroShow4]Who the f@ck is this clown in the skinny pants? :facepalm[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Tyga?
Da fk?
Tyga and Ross talking about crossovers? :facepalm
[QUOTE=JellyBean]Oh, so it was the media' fault? :oldlol: Stop it!!
Look, I
looks like ricky swallowed a basketball.......:oldlol:
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Lakers were the champions, but when you talk about the worldwide influence Iverson had, the popularity and influence he brought to youth all over the world, it can not be denied..[/QUOTE]
hmm maybe you have a biased opinion. I was never a basketball fan in the early 00's, but i sure knew who shaq and kobe were. Did not know who Iverson was until about 2007
was iverson not a very selfish player ?......... taking it to the rim himself all the time and rarely passing..........?
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Lakers were the champions, but when you talk about the worldwide influence Iverson had, the popularity and influence he brought to youth all over the world, it can not be denied..[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but if he did bring any influence, it was only negative then. He was not a role model by any means. Dude has always wanted to be considered a thug.
[QUOTE=theaussieguy]hmm maybe you have a biased opinion. I was never a basketball fan in the early 00's, but i sure knew who shaq and kobe were. Did not know who Iverson was until about 2007[/QUOTE]
Hmm Shaq was definitely more popular worldwide, but I would think globally, Iverson would have more popularity than Kobe back in the early 2000's.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I'm sorry, but if he did bring any influence, it was only negative then. He was not a role model by any means. Dude has always wanted to be considered a thug.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps to you, but the influence he brought wasn't only about cornrows, hip-hop baggy clothes, being a thug, and tattoos. He also showed heart, will, and how a little man can dominate a league with big men. His relentless style of play, no fear, fighting through the injuries, are certainly motivational to a huge population, who can relate more to his height than say Shaq.
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Most overrated player in the history of the NBA. What a loser
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]Iverson kept it real and didn't put up no front. In this modern age of political correctness and corporate culture, a figure like Iverson was a constant reminder of people's own cowardice and inability to just be themselves. that's why Iverson bothered so many people, his kindred spirit was a foil to their cookie cutter conformity driven existence.[/QUOTE]
Yep. This right here.
AI we miss you so much =(
How many people in this thread actually followed AI's career? Because most of these post claiming he was a victim sound like they were typed by a robot, also somebody said "Iverson was basketball in the early 90s" ok..Well he was drafted in 96 sooo
AI was one of the most popular players in the L from the moment he was drafted until about 04 dude was always a top 3 most popular player.
He had an amazing career, led a bad team to the finals, racked up multiple scoring titles, won an MVP (voted on by the media) and is a top 26 player all time IMO.
fact is though, AI was never in a position to win championships, and after awhile his "attitude" wasn't worth putting up with for a franchise that couldn't seem to build around him.
He caught a bad for his "attitude" skipping practices etc & all of this was magnified due to the fact that he hadn't won a ring.
If AI had won atleast 1 ring as the FMVP he'd be widely considered a fringe top 10 player off all time.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Ray Allen accepted backing up Avery Bradley, a player he was arguably still better than. He didn't like it, but he did it. The reason AI should have accepted his new role should be obvious to all of you: It would have lengthened his career. Like Ray Allen, Iverson was getting old and when a player gets old they have to accept a lesser role if they want to stay in the league. It doesn't matter who they have above you in the rotation, what matters is that the team that is employing you wants you to play a certain role. If you are unwilling to play that role teams will be unwilling to employ you.[/quote]
What happened in Detroit wasnt entirely comparable to what happened with Ray Allen last season. Iverson was still a far superior player to Allen when he was sent to Detroit and could still carry a team scoring-wise. If you remember, he embraced the situation of going to another "winner" only until he figured out that Detroit had no plans to do a contract extension. The only reason Denver dealt him was because Iverson & their FO were wrangling over a contract extension.
The team fell apart the minute they let Stuckey start playing PG. Rip is the one who openly complained and ripped Michael Curry for having to come off the bench because of it. Dumars wanted Stuckey to be the focal point to justify trading Chauncey, but Stuckey wasn't ready then just like he isn't ready to now.
The only similarity is that they both lost their jobs when they got hurt. Ray Allen took a "backseat" as a reserve to Bradley because he was injured, and that injury opened up a chance for Bradley to take his job. AI injured his back and when he returned Curry had now discovered the backcourt which marked 2-3 future years of Pistons failure, Stuckey & Rip.
But its one thing to swallow your pride and take a backseat on a championship contender, while it is another to take a backseat on a 9th seed team. Of course its best to retire/quit than be associated with that failure and worst of all you're not even a major part of the team. That really isn't "adapting" to a new role. Was Iverson supposed to be some dynamic 6th Man on a contender? Why was it that only 1 team show any interest in him that offseason and it was a mediocre Grizzlies team? I do believe many NBA GM's and of course the NBA felt and still feel that Iverson had started to overshadow the "new generation" because of his popularity and the negativity to his name.
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AI was one of the most popular players in the L from the moment he was drafted until about 04 dude was always a top 3 most popular player.[/quote]
AI was one of the most popular players in the league until he stopped playing. He suddenly didn't just drop off in 2004.
He had the same effect on fans that LeBron did after the 2011 NBA Finals, except that was his career from 1998. His first 2 seasons he was still viewed in a somewhat positive light, which is why the media took his side in the whole alleged fight with Jerry Stackhouse.
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fact is though, AI was never in a position to win championships, and after awhile his "attitude" wasn't worth putting up with for a franchise that couldn't seem to build around him.
He caught a bad for his "attitude" skipping practices etc & all of this was magnified due to the fact that he hadn't won a ring.
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The problem is his "attitude" was over-exaggerated because of the "thug, I do what I wanna" persona that he had. Even when things were going down hill in Philly none of his teammates had a bad thing to say about him, his practice habits, etc. Neither did his coaches. And he really butted heads with Larry Brown and Mo Cheeks at times.
He was nowhere near as terrible of a teammate as Stephon Marbury, a guy who openly let it be known he didn't care whether they won or lost. Marbury just didn't want the media to blame him for it and he had a meltdown when they did. Also, AI doesn't even have anywhere near the negative "attitude" that Kobe still is bringing into the locker room and on the floor. Kobe's talent just backs it up at the moment.
Averaging 17 on 42% AI could have carried a team? I don't see it. He was obviously declining. He obviously wasn't satisfied with being a reserve so no contender wanted to bring him in. He still thought he was a superstar while his lower talent level was that of a roleplayer.
[QUOTE=kurple]imagine if this happened to Kobe. or most stars for that matter.
AI knew he could play. he proved it the year before. I dont blame him for feeling disrespected by being benched for a scrub[/QUOTE]
I remember ai after the trade saying something along the lines how he was willing to do anything for the pistons to take them to the next level. That he understood that the team fueled off their chemistry.
In hindsight, yeah stuckey has never lived up to the player people thought he would be. At the time though, pistons thought he could take over billups role. So it's not that crazy for them to put some faith in the kid. Plus iverson was always a good scorer. Playing 5 on 1 had been his forte since day one. Playmaker sure. Facilitator? Not really. So really, coming off the bench didn't mean anything. He would have still played 30plus minutes and have still scored 20 some odd points a night while fueling the bench production. Its not like they were asking him to be a role player. What if he won 6th man of the year? Would have been great to see that. I didn't see what his problem was except that he had too much pride. Sucked to see his career end the way it did but he has no one to blame but himself. He swallows his pride, he might even still be somewhere in the nba right now.
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Some things will never change.
AI is one of them.[/QUOTE]
Wow, SLAM still on his dlck after all this time.
[QUOTE=Rowe]AI was one of the most popular players in the league until he stopped playing. He suddenly didn't just drop off in 2004.
He had the same effect on fans that LeBron did after the 2011 NBA Finals, except that was his career from 1998. His first 2 seasons he was still viewed in a somewhat positive light, which is why the media took his side in the whole alleged fight with Jerry Stackhouse.
The problem is his "attitude" was over-exaggerated because of the "thug, I do what I wanna" persona that he had. Even when things were going down hill in Philly none of his teammates had a bad thing to say about him, his practice habits, etc. Neither did his coaches. And he really butted heads with Larry Brown and Mo Cheeks at times.
He was nowhere near as terrible of a teammate as Stephon Marbury, a guy who openly let it be known he didn't care whether they won or lost. Marbury just didn't want the media to blame him for it and he had a meltdown when they did. Also, AI doesn't even have anywhere near the negative "attitude" that Kobe still is bringing into the locker room and on the floor. Kobe's talent just backs it up at the moment.[/QUOTE]
i'm u huge AI fan i'm not saying anything negative like you think i am, AI was a good teammate and his "attitude" that i was talking about was him not being a PR kiss ass.
He was who he was, he had reached his ultimate goal of being an NBA superstar and wasn't going to change for nobody.
Just COPPED these last Friday when they dropped
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[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Wow, SLAM still on his dlck after all this time.[/QUOTE]
U mad bro??:lol
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]i'm u huge AI fan i'm not saying anything negative like you think i am, AI was a good teammate and his "attitude" that i was talking about was him not being a PR kiss ass.
He was who he was, he had reached his ultimate goal of being an NBA superstar and wasn't going to change for nobody.
Just COPPED these last Friday when they dropped
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Georgetown:applause:
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Nope.
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not right man :facepalm I only cheered for Kobe shaq lakers in 2000 tho
[QUOTE=kurple]imagine if this happened to Kobe. or most stars for that matter.
AI knew he could play. he proved it the year before. I dont blame him for feeling disrespected by being benched for a scrub[/QUOTE]
Kobe would of retired:lol
[QUOTE=Solid Snake]What are you guys talking about? He REFUSED to adjust his role and play in the system his team wanted, you know, back when he WAS in the NBA?
Or did you forget that?
You guys act like he was somehow outcast for no reason, as if a player averaging 25ppg was ruthlessly quarantined out of some personal agenda.
Get a ****ing clue, as his skills changed from what they once were, he was asked to adjust. Why do you choose to forget that he outright REFUSED to come off the bench (Pistons). And then in his final stint in Philadelphia, he exited using a "saving face" strategy, in which he used some reason about his daughter being sick. Make no mistake, that's an excuse. If your daughter is sick, you NOT playing basketball is not helping her, whatever phantom illness she had, the DOCTORS would've been the ones to help her. Unless it's literally life or death (in which case you could argue he'd want to be there at her bedside for her final moments), there's no reason to stop playing basketball. But that's a moot point, since it turned out there was no verified illness or anything medically wrong with her anyway. Let's also not forget the flyers advertising some club he was gonna be at on that game night...
Iverson was great. But just like Kobe now, he's refused to adjust. Only difference is Kobe's skills are still so good that his selfish refusal to adjust to his teammates, STILL allows him to play at god-like levels. Because when your skill set converges on infinity, "diminishment" is a mortal term.[/QUOTE]
get your facts str8 dummy. Grizzlies forced him to change his role. pistons didn't want him period.
Still a Iverson fan, but how old is this nigha?
Missing AI so much. Most unique player ever in NBA history.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]i'm u huge AI fan i'm not saying anything negative like you think i am, AI was a good teammate and his "attitude" that i was talking about was him not being a PR kiss ass.
He was who he was, he had reached his ultimate goal of being an NBA superstar and wasn't going to change for nobody.
Just COPPED these last Friday when they dropped
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:roll: :roll: :roll: Damn bro those are wack as hell hahahahaha
You must really like AI to spend money on those dawg so I gotta give you one of those: :applause: but those janns are at 0% swag hahaha no swag oh man idk why but i'm dying laughing at how wack those are :roll: :dancin
[QUOTE=MetsPackers]:roll: :roll: :roll: Damn bro those are wack as hell hahahahaha
You must really like AI to spend money on those dawg so I gotta give you one of those: :applause: but those janns are at 0% swag hahaha no swag oh man idk why but i'm dying laughing at how wack those are :roll: :dancin[/QUOTE]
stupid troll. Those are one of the most popular basketball shoes ever.
I've always wanted to get the Answer IV black/white colorway.. next time I see them, I'm buying for sure. I also loved the V all-star colorway..
[QUOTE=MetsPackers]:roll: :roll: :roll: Damn bro those are wack as hell hahahahaha
You must really like AI to spend money on those dawg so I gotta give you one of those: :applause: but those janns are at 0% swag hahaha no swag oh man idk why but i'm dying laughing at how wack those are :roll: :dancin[/QUOTE]
You should be banned for this post.:facepalm
[QUOTE=willds09]Well deserved:applause: except Rick Ross and tyga get them fake ass niguhs outta here :facepalm[/QUOTE]
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I had those Iverson kicks but my front toe was blue, shoe was mostly white.
I haven't owned too many bball shoes, but the best ones ever are the Jason Kidd ones with the lava rock. Easily the best grip and makes cutting a breeze and they just felt so good rising and coming down on when shooting...some people are picky about that. Youngstas, peep game, will not regret.