Bulls effectively use the "Jordan Rules" against LeBron James.

[QUOTE=Shade8780]It'll never work effectively on LeBron because he still has Wade and Bosh while Jordan only had a young Pippen who was pretty raw.[/QUOTE]
exactly.

[QUOTE=Shade8780]It'll never work effectively on LeBron because he still has Wade and Bosh while Jordan only had a young Pippen who was pretty raw.[/QUOTE]
clearly you didn't see the Bosh floppage or the Wade horsecollar and thrown towards the stands

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Oh, so [I]now[/I] the regular season doesn't matter..? Lebron fans :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless

[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.[/QUOTE]
That's not what a win-win situation is, and you're a bitch.

32/7/3 with 4 blocks on 64% shooting :coleman:

[QUOTE=chips93]nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless[/QUOTE]

Normally I'd agree but I don't think this one can be classed as meaningless.

They were desperate for that record. If it was as meaningless as is being suggested Spoelstra and LeBron wouldn't have been close to tears when it became apparent it was over.

As far as standings goes it's meaningless but mentally it isn't. It's also a massive boost for the Bulls who were handicapped by injuries.

Last night wasn't a meaningless game. Both teams gave their all for that W for a reason.

[QUOTE=plowking]Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

[b]Bulls[/b] are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.[/QUOTE]

You spelled 'Heat' wrong.

[QUOTE=Calabis]So him running over KH and getting hit hard one time constitutes the jordan rules? LeBron played a good game. ... his teammates folded around him.[/QUOTE]

I wanted to rep this post because it's the first one I've seen that said what I believe - LBJ fouled Hinrich, not the other way around.

Anyway, I'm a huge Bulls fan and it's great to stop the Heat winning streak. I honestly didn't expect the Heat to lose again until the playoffs. That said, whether we have a 100% healthy team or not we are NOT beating the Heat in the playoffs, assuming they are healthy. No one is.

"jordan rules" on Lebron, :roll:

this is funny. Lebron with real Jordan Rules = crying to be traded/sign with the team that implemented it. :lol

[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.[/QUOTE]

but a loss for basketball and the fans of basketball.......and you will get your own starplayer injuried since the heat will get a scub off the bench to do the same to the other team

[QUOTE=LongLiveTheKing]32 points on 11-17 shooting. I don't think thy we're that effective.[/QUOTE]
It didnt matter.. Its about disrupting momentum and flow.

If you let Lebron come at you and dunk on you it riles the whole team up and gives them confidence. Dont even let him get the shot up.

That move by kirk to pull him down when he ducked his shoulder was perfect. Dont even let the ball touch the rim or the backboard. You have to make the basket something that seems hard to hit. Lebron gets into shooting grooves when he makes and ones.. and then his teammates get open looks when he catches fire.

Bulls are smart. This is how you have to play him.

I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out. It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out. It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

true unbiased post. very nice.

[QUOTE=chips93]nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless[/QUOTE]

:confusedshrug:

It's only "meaningless" to Lebron and Miami fans because it snapped their streak.

Bulls didn't do anything different last night than what they normally like to do. Play physical defense. It's the reason why Thibs can get a great regular season record with a one all-star team this season.

But it's also the type of ball that leads more injuries. I believe Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bellineli, Hinrich, and Gibson have all sat out games this season due to injuries.

It's not why they won though. Lebron still scored like 30+ on great shooting. Bulls won because Bosh played like a ***** and Boozer abused the boards and Deng and Butler scored well above their averages

[QUOTE=Rondo]Normally I'd agree but I don't think this one can be classed as meaningless.

They were desperate for that record. If it was as meaningless as is being suggested Spoelstra and LeBron wouldn't have been close to tears when it became apparent it was over.

As far as standings goes it's meaningless but mentally it isn't. It's also a massive boost for the Bulls who were handicapped by injuries.

Last night wasn't a meaningless game. Both teams gave their all for that W for a reason.[/QUOTE]

yeah, meaningless was probably a bit strong, but i dont think that this loss taught us anything about the heat, as some are suggesting. the rest of the league didnt get some kind of blueprint on how to beat the heat from this game.

[QUOTE=inclinerator]it didnt work, lebron played good but bosh and others missed a bunch of wide open shots[/QUOTE]

I did work.

And MJ finally conquered the bad boy Pistons by making his teammates better.

Me think Lebron forgot that last night:banana:

[QUOTE=unbreakable][IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjc647jvd1qamt4s.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/29uy2s6.jpg[/IMG]

errybody getting rustled

[QUOTE=(e)]If it was a series we would of had Noah...

Your butt would be hurting 10x worse if he was playing tonight.

Stupid butthurt Miami fans with an excuse for everything.[/QUOTE]

Bulls fans shouldn't be cocky. In the playoffs its always been a different story against LeBron. Ask Rose how he feels about what happened in the ECF.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out.[B] It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol[/B].[/QUOTE]
THIS

These LeBron fans crying about the "rough" treatment he got last night should go back and watch how the Pistons Bad Boys and Riley Knicks went after him.
These stans would faint if any team treated Bron the way MJ was treated:facepalm

[QUOTE=TheMan]THIS

These LeBron fans crying about the "rough" treatment he got last night should go back and watch how the Pistons Bad Boys and Riley Knicks went after him.
These stans would faint if any team treated Bron the way MJ was treated:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.[/QUOTE]
All I'm saying is that Bron has it easy and you guys should quit bitching. I didn't see any over the top rough play yesterday but since I'm been watching since the mid 80s, I just saw it as hardnosed basketball.

Ever hear about hard fouls? They are still permitted, right? or are you required to step outta the way and let the other guy have a lay up/dunk?

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.[/QUOTE]

They weren't flagrant though? Kirk held him and Lebron's momentum took them both down. It wasn't like Kirk grabbed him by the shoulders and threw him down. Taj was clearly going for the ball. What is he supposed to do? Not go for the ball in case he hits someone in the face? The game was clearly physical, but they didn't intentionally try to hurt him.

Lebron's flagrant was CLEARLY intentional. Whether it was weak or not, doesn't really matter much in this case because of his intent.

[QUOTE=TheMan]All I'm saying is that Bron has it easy and you guys should quit bitching. I didn't see any over the top rough play yesterday but since I'm been watching since the mid 80s, I just saw it as hardnosed basketball.

[B]Ever hear about hard fouls? They are still permitted, right? or are you required to step outta the way and let the other guy have a lay up/dunk?[/B][/QUOTE]
Hard fouls are fine, but let's not play dumb here. There would nothing to bitch about if they didn't call that ridiculous flagrant on LeBron for running shoulder first into a screen or Battier getting called for his hand touching Boozer's hip on a rebound he had no chance of getting anyway.

Taj wraps his arm around LeBron's shoulder/collar from behind on a drive. In today's NBA, usually a flagrant. We've certainly seen flagrants for less. But they say just a common foul... Ok, that's fine. They're letting them play physical. But then minutes later they're calling some really weak stuff on the other end.

Come on man. I know you don't like the Heat, but you can't feel good about that. You guys bitched for days about an offensive interference inconsistency. It never feels good to feel like the officiating is inconsistent. There's gotta be consistency.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. [B]Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen[/B].[/QUOTE]
You obviously dont even know the rules to the current era so who would trust you on any type of comparison?

Lebron's 'flagrant' was a non basketball play with intent to hit somebody else. It was retaliation. So it is well within the refs jurisdiction to call the play beyond a normal, routine personal. Shouldve been a tech instead, but they both basically do the same thing.

[QUOTE=tpols]You obviously dont even know the rules to the current era so who would trust you on any type of comparison?

Lebron's 'flagrant' was a non basketball play with intent to hit somebody else. It was retaliation. So it is well within the refs jurisdiction to call the play beyond a normal, routine personal. Shouldve been a tech instead, but they both basically do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
You obviously missing the point.

I'm not arguing about that particular play. I'm just pointing out that in the context of how much physicality they were letting slide in that game, it's just weird to suddenly call a flagrant on that.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You obviously missing the point.

I'm not arguing about that particular play. I'm just pointing out that in the context of how much physicality they were letting slide in that game, it's just weird to suddenly call a flagrant on that.[/QUOTE]
They just called a flagrant on CHICAGO the play directly before.

So when they call one on the heat that was fvcking clear as day its unfair?

GTFO.

Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm

[QUOTE=tpols][B]They just called a flagrant on CHICAGO the play directly before.
[/B]
So when they call one on the heat that was fvcking clear as day its unfair?

GTFO.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Yeah..... and the call got reversed. :hammerhead:


Lol. I mean, Jesus Christ.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You really love Lebron, huh?

@Indianguy - Melo is the most disrespected. Kobe only takes more FTs because he takes more shots, Lebron has a higher FT rate than him.

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm[/QUOTE]


:biggums:
:wtf: :wtf:

[QUOTE=NumberSix]
Yeah..... and the call got reversed. :hammerhead:


Lol. I mean, Jesus Christ.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]


And that call should have been reversed because there was nothing there malicious. There was no horse-collar takedown, no clothesline, nothing whatsoever. Taj went after the ball and missed hitting Lebron on the shoulder. He didn't even follow through like he could have. I've seen 10x worse than that and the fact that Lebron got mad enough to try to purposely ram Boozer is ridiculous. It's like he expects defenders to let him waltz in the lane, give him a lovetap and so he can get the "And 1" and mug and flex to the crowd or some shit :oldlol:

[QUOTE=chazzy]@Indianguy - Melo is the most disrespected. Kobe only takes more FTs because he takes more shots, Lebron has a higher FT rate than him.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Westbrook is.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]And that call should have been reversed because there was nothing there malicious. There was no horse-collar takedown, no clothesline, nothing whatsoever. [B][SIZE="4"]Taj went after the ball and missed hitting Lebron on the shoulder.[/SIZE][/B] He didn't even follow through like he could have. I've seen 10x worse than that and the fact that Lebron got mad enough to try to purposely ram Boozer is ridiculous. It's like he expects defenders to let him waltz in the lane, give him a lovetap and so he can get the "And 1" and mug and flex to the crowd or some shit :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

[IMG]http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif[/IMG]

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

[IMG]http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif[/IMG]

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.[/QUOTE]


cosign

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

[IMG]http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif[/IMG]

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.[/QUOTE]
Even if the refs missed the call and it should've been a FF, it's not overtly dirty. You gotta make the offensive player shoot FTs. Hoops 101

The Hinrich foul should have been a flagrant by rule. He was falling down, made no play on the ball, and just decided to drag LeBron down with him.



That said, I have no problem with the Bulls strategy, and no problem with physical ball. I just found it interesting that a team finally decided to step to LeBron physically... which isn't an easy task. A team like the Pacers should take note.

Congrats on the Bulls for winning their championship.