Are there more torn ACLs now?

Jus sayin...

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I remember a comment Derrick Rose made after last season about stretching and flexibility. He said that he possibly could have prevented most of his injuries if he had been practicing proper stretching techniques. This could be something that the NBA would want to stress out to the teams, especially the ones that don't practice stretching and flexibility exercises enough.

I've read on another forum someone saying that it's because today the shoes have to much grip.

It could make sense, player plant their feet in some awkward way, and normally the foot would slip a little and now it doesn't.

Just look at Gallo's injury, he does a awkward hop step, and almost seems like his feet glues to the floor.

I hope that in the future we aren't asking, "Are there more broken legs resulting in exposed tibias now?"

Injuries just seem to be getting more and more frequent and devastating lately.

Could be human evolution. Our bodies are getting weaker.

Well I'm actually currently writing a research paper on this and I have quotes from professionals who say if the goal is to protect health, a PED regimen supervised by a medical professional is actually the safest option.

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]I hope that in the future we aren't asking, "Are there more broken legs resulting in exposed tibias now?"

Injuries just seem to be getting more and more frequent and devastating lately.

Could be human evolution. Our bodies are getting weaker.[/QUOTE]
Or Athletes are getting stronger and faster and the ACL can't keep up with the explosive movements?

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Well I'm actually currently writing a research paper on this and I have quotes from professionals who say if the goal is to protect health, a PED regimen supervised by a medical professional is actually the safest option.[/QUOTE]
:lol

Yes let's legalize doping, let's force everyone to hurt their health because of the cheaters.

Those "professionals" might just as well had writen PED on their foreheads.

[QUOTE=dgaras]no it doesnt idiot. go read a thing or two. :facepalm at the stupid idiots talking roids, strength training and lifting. everyone stfu. you all know nothing from what ive read[/QUOTE]
I've been lifting hardcore for 2 years. More muscle = less flexibility.

You can't REALLY be that dumb, can you? :biggums:

[QUOTE=SacJB Shady]Strength training can destroy flexibility overtime if you bulk up and do not stretch. Certain exercises such as pilates make you more flexible. But if you don't use proper form when you lift heavy, that can make muscles get tight. When you put too much stress on yourself it does lead to inflexibility. That's why proper form is vital.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=flipogb]yes it does, if you are flexible then it means you worked in some flexibility training int there[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Choken One]I've been lifting hardcore for 2 years. More muscle = less flexibility.

You can't REALLY be that dumb, can you? :biggums:[/QUOTE]

LOL LOL just stop kid. 2 years is not even enough for you to be past a beginners level

any person that isnt stretching regularly is bound to be inflexible. thats why a combo of yoga + stretching + lifting heavy (1-5 reps) is the best.

[QUOTE=dgaras]LOL LOL just stop kid. 2 years is not even enough for you to be past a beginners level

any person that isnt stretching regularly is bound to be inflexible. thats why a combo of yoga + stretching + lifting heavy (1-5 reps) is the best.[/QUOTE]
Welp, it's pretty obvious you've never touched a weight in your life so this argument is no longer necessary.

But hey, you're totally right bro! :oldlol:

[QUOTE=dgaras]LOL LOL just stop kid. [SIZE="3"][FONT="Arial Black"][COLOR="DarkRed"]2 years is not even enough for you to be past a beginners level[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

any person that isnt stretching regularly is bound to be inflexible. thats why a combo of yoga + stretching + lifting heavy (1-5 reps) is the best.[/QUOTE]

Fugg outta here. 2 years of straight lifting is more than 90% of the population has ever done.

[QUOTE=chocolatethunder]First of all, it's beg to differ not "beg the differ". Oh the irony.[/QUOTE]


I blame my iPhone

There is such a strong lack of fitness related knowledge on ISH... well any knowledge really, but especially in fitness.

Just because you lift heavy weights does not make you inflexible. Until you get to Mr. Olympia size, you can be plenty flexible, there is not a single NBA player so muscular or strong that he has lost his ability to be flexible. Skipping out on any stretching, proper warm up, and IMO myofascial release are viable reasons for some injuries, at least from a personal fitness angle. That being said, the opposite side of flexibility (or mobility) is stability. Since we are talking about ACLs in this thread, the need in the knee is for stability not mobility. Having stiff ankles and or hips causes problems for knee stability as does just flat out having weak knees.

On the subject of stiff ankles, faulty shoe designs that allow no ankle mobility help cause plenty of injuries.


As for the PED's talk, the only way that negatively effects your body's physical health is if you allow your strength to grow to quickly that your joints literally can't keep up. So yes, PEDs are a slight cause due to athletes becoming much more explosive than their joints are prepared to take, but not because they increase your likelihood of being injured.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Well I'm actually currently writing a research paper on this and I have quotes from professionals who say if the goal is to protect health, a PED regimen supervised by a medical professional is actually the safest option.[/QUOTE]

And if you believe that, you are a freaking moron.

[QUOTE=ThickassGlasses]There is such a strong lack of fitness related knowledge on ISH... well any knowledge really, but especially in fitness.

Just because you lift heavy weights does not make you inflexible. Until you get to Mr. Olympia size, you can be plenty flexible, there is not a single NBA player so muscular or strong that he has lost his ability to be flexible. Skipping out on any stretching, proper warm up, and IMO myofascial release are viable reasons for some injuries, at least from a personal fitness angle. That being said, the opposite side of flexibility (or mobility) is stability. Since we are talking about ACLs in this thread, the need in the knee is for stability not mobility. Having stiff ankles and or hips causes problems for knee stability as does just flat out having weak knees.

On the subject of stiff ankles, faulty shoe designs that allow no ankle mobility help cause plenty of injuries.


As for the PED's talk, the only way that negatively effects your body's physical health is if you allow your strength to grow to quickly that your joints literally can't keep up. So yes, PEDs are a slight cause due to athletes becoming much more explosive than their joints are prepared to take, but not because they increase your likelihood of being injured.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit. PEDs have all kinds of negative side effects.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Bullshit. PEDs have all kinds of negative side effects.[/QUOTE]

Mentallly? Perhaps.
Hormonal? Probably.

Structurally? No, unless we are talking about overtraining or overloading a specific structure of the body.

This board is so clueless on fitness

More muscle does equate to less flexibility, but only if you only lift without stretching regularly. The most obvious example which may apply to many of you is stronger/bigger quads = less flexible hamstrings/posterior chain. People that play jumping sports, i.e volleyball, basketball, etc need to stretch their posterior, or risk decreasing their ROM/flexibility. I am sure that professional basketball players are not subject to these adverse effects of increased muscle mass, as they have personal trainers and stretching routines.

PEDs can only positively affect your body (from a physical performance standpoint). Many of you are fu.cking clueless on what PEDs do. You see PED and instantly think IFBB bodybuilding pros. Guess what? PEDs do not cause muscles to get bigger. They make you recover faster. That allows you to lift 5-7x a week, instead of the 3-5 times a natty bodybuilder would. In the case of an NBA player, that allows them to practice 3 hrs a day, lift, and show up feeling fresh for their game. Oh and by the way, they do it every day.

Have any of you ever worked out or played organized sports? What about even recreationally playing something like tennis/badminton/basketball for 2-3 hours at a fairly competitive level? Do you think you could do that for 8 hours a day, with a weight lifting routine, every day of the year nearly without break? Further, do you think being 6'8 and 265 lbs helps or hurts you in sustainability, compared to 5'10 165lbs?

Small amounts of HGH can be beneficial to the body. Obscene amounts of these drugs cause all the stereotypes associated with "steroids". Two pro sports leagues benefit most from HGH/PEDs: NHL and NBA. These are the two leagues which requires starting players to go all out almost once every two days. Do you know how taxing it is on your legs to play a full court game? Most of this forum would get winded after 3 minutes of full court basketball. These guys do this for 30+ minutes once every two nights, with shit tons of practice/drills/shooting arounds in between. Not to mention clubbing, drug use, irregular sleep, etc. The only thing they DO have in their favour is world class nutrition/sports doctors. That does not make the average NBA player capable of such gigantic increases in volume (on their legs and CNS)

PEDs. Performance Enhancing Drugs. If you took ADHD medication (methylphenidate, a stimulant) then competed in the Olympics, it would not be allowed. If you smoked a cigarette then sprinted, the nicotine in it, containing stimulants, would elevate your performance (probably negligibly). If you jacked yourself up on 5 litres of Coke, you would most definately lift more weight. Although coca-cola is not a banned substance, it can still be used as a performance enhancement.

I am willing to bet that most professional athletes use one form of PED or another. The testing for these is a joke, even on the Olympic level. There is a long ass list (3,4 figures in length) of banned substances. New designer drugs are constantly released to go undetected. It would not surprise me one bit if it was later revealed that athletes such as Bolt, Phelps, Lebron, etc were on PEDs.

Case in point: Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, etc. And these are the unlucky ones that were caught. It would be ignorant to believe that the current testing system guarantees no PEDs were used, in the past, or presently.

Players just have weak ankles these days. LeBron has plenty of muscles. No ACL breaks.

We need cyborg bodies with carbon nanotube load-sensing adaptive smart ligaments.

And testicles that play music.

Lots of wild speculation in this thread. Please provide some sort of verifiable data to back up your claims.



What PEDs are NBA athletes mainly taking? I want to do some research.

[QUOTE=UnbiasedGuy]This board is so clueless on fitness

More muscle does equate to less flexibility, but only if you only lift without stretching regularly. The most obvious example which may apply to many of you is stronger/bigger quads = less flexible hamstrings/posterior chain. People that play jumping sports, i.e volleyball, basketball, etc need to stretch their posterior, or risk decreasing their ROM/flexibility. I am sure that professional basketball players are not subject to these adverse effects of increased muscle mass, as they have personal trainers and stretching routines.[/QUOTE]
I generally agree with what you're saying. I don't stress stretching but I do stretch whatever muscle I lift that day post workout, despite this I'm still not as flexible as prior to lifting.

I feel like some people here think I'm saying you're going to lose all flexibility which I'm not. I'm just giving my experience and others I also know in RL and basically all have experienced some form of decreased flexibility. I used to be able to lock my hands behind my back not even 2 years ago...now I'm lucky for my damn fingers to touch.

I'm not saying everyone is on PEDS. I mean, they ARE... haha, but they have been. That's not why, I don't think.

People may be training way too hard, though. Watching those Gatorade ads... they have like 5 different types of Gatorade products you're supposed to use during your workout. At a certain point, you need to rest.

And yea muscle and flexibility are not related. I am extremely un-flexible... with an athletic build. It's kind of sad. I can't even touch my toes.

I personally believe it has to do with players starting training too early and not resting enough.

People might say LOL ITS LIKE THE HUMAN BODY HAS OUT-EVOLVED THE ACL!! But if you are performing at a level above what your body (or any body?) should be capable of doing, then I believe you are at more risk for injury due to the fact that the structure of your body doesn't change.

A lot of people will say LEBRON, but LeBron plays very under control. You really don't see Bron jumping wildly. I think gathering is important, too, you'd think if players took time to gather and jump off of both feet, landing on both feet with balance, it would be better for their bodies.

-Smak

[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]Lots of wild speculation in this thread. Please provide some sort of verifiable data to back up your claims.



What PEDs are NBA athletes mainly taking? I want to do some research.[/QUOTE]

Likely any one that would help. lol. You just don't see people who are that ripped... who are also endurance athletes.

I mean, if someone was taking a supplement, that's still a PED. You can decide where the line in terms of legality is. My theory is they probably don't care as long as they won't get caught.

-Smak