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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]I'm guessing hefty is more like 10-12 mill.
One of them has to go. There is absolutely no way they can bring both back based on minutes besides having the money to pay Favors and Hayward next year and Kanter and Burks in 2 years.
Mo and Foye's contracts could pay for Mayo though. Whatever they do I'd look to front load as much of it as possible or they could have issues in the next couple years paying the kids.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I figured the hefty would be like $12 million. Too much for my tastes. Definately a good idea to frontload if possible though.
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Shane Larkin To Enter NBA Draft
Apr 26, 2013 3:40 PM EDT
Shane Larkin plans to enter the NBA draft and skip his final two seasons at Miami.
Larkin is considered the third-best point guard in the draft class behind Michigan's Trey Burke and Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams.
Larkin led the Hurricanes to the ACC regular season title and the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament.
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Aran Smith: Word on the street is Marcus Smart is having second thoughts about pulling his name out of draft. Don't be shocked if he changes his mind.
Twitter @nbadraftnet
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[QUOTE]Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Utah and Cleveland are interested in Scotty Hopson, currently playing for Israeli team Hapoel Eilat. Hopson could play the Summer League with one of these teams. [/QUOTE]
Doesn't really sound like their type of player. Got some talent.
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[QUOTE]Amaechi: Magic Teammates Knew Sexuality, Protected Me
May 01, 2013 | Mike Bianchi/Orlando Sentinel
John Amaechi said playing for the conservative owner of the Magic played a part in his decision not to come out while playing in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Conservative Mormon owner in Utah too!
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Conservative Mormon owner in Utah too![/QUOTE]
Understandable decision, especially living in a city where that could cause issues.
[QUOTE]Kevin O
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Change should be good. He actually sent Murphy down to the D-League for a spell. Signed a couple guys to 10 day contracts. Spurs philosophy right there.
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The Philadelphia 76ers have received permission to interview Golden State Warriors assistant Mike Malone and Utah Jazz assistant Jeff Hornacek for the franchise's head-coaching vacancy, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Yahoo! Sports
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[QUOTE]Jack, who drew interest from multiple teams during the trade deadline, is in the last year of his contract paying him $5 million this season. He is expected to be a fairly well sought after this offseason, especially with the postseason he
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[QUOTE]Talking to an NBA front office guy today and he said he thought the market for Millsap might be somewhere around 3 year 21 million deal. The Jazz offered 3 year 24 million dollar deal in the off-season to Millsap that Paul turned down. In this person's mind that is where the rub sits for the Jazz. Would Millsap accept a deal with the Jazz lower than what they offered him in the off-season. This person said no way. He thought Millsap would be willing to take 3-21 from another team but not take it from the Jazz since he was once offered more.
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I hope they give him the extra money if they have to. That would be a great deal for him especially front loaded.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]I hope they give him the extra money if they have to. That would be a great deal for him especially front loaded.[/QUOTE]
Yea, no point losing a guy over a million a year and it's a fair figure for the guy.
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[url]http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56259550-87/assistant-hornacek-jazz-charlotte.html.csp[/url]
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[QUOTE]Hawks interested in Korver: Kyle Korver said Saturday that the Hawks have expressed interest in re-signing him. Korver, obtained in an offseason trade with the Bulls, will become an unrestricted free agent July 1.
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Steve Luhm: More Lindsey on FAs: "... If we decide to save our money it won't be because we're financially strapped. It will be a strategic decision." Twitter @sluhm[/QUOTE]
You definitely don't won't to throw money away just because you have it. They have to think of the money they will owe the kids the next couple years too. Have to look at front loading contracts or 1 and 2 year deals probably.
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Fernandez, Diamantidis, Krstic, Tomic, Spanoulis Named To All-Euroleague First Team
May 06, 2013 | RealGM Staff Report
Rudy Fernandez, Dimiris Diamantidis, Nenad Krstic, Ante Tomic and Vassilis Spanoulis headline the 2013 All-Euroleague First Team.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]You definitely don't won't to throw money away just because you have it. They have to think of the money they will owe the kids the next couple years too. Have to look at front loading contracts or 1 and 2 year deals probably.[/QUOTE]
Yea, last thing you want to do is do a "Dumars" and throw money at guys like Ben Gordon and Charlie V because they were all that was left and the money was burning a hole in his pocket.
Also, being under the cap going into next year would open the door to them doing what they did in 2004, taking a big contract off of a luxury tax team (which kicks in even harder next year) and get picks/younger players in the return. They took Tom Gugliotta from Phoenix and got pick 16 (Kirk Snyder) and the pick that was originally owned by New York that became Gordon Hayward at #9 in 2010. Also took Glen Rice from Houston and got pick #21 which they traded to Dallas for a future 1st, which got them the pick #27 in the 2005 NBA draft which they traded to Portland with their #6 pick to get Deron Williams at pick #3.
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They had a lot less to build around in 2004 and no lottery pick. They only had AK to worry about signing and they didn't think he was going to have an all-star year and force them into a max deal.
They have to keep flexibility to sign Hayward and Favors which could happen this off-season and Burks and Kanter after that which complicates the situation more.
If Marvin is with them all next year(god forbid) his money comes close to taking care of one of them I'd think. I hope they can put together a better roster than 2004 anyway!
I think there were 3 firsts for Deron.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]They had a lot less to build around in 2004 and no lottery pick. They only had AK to worry about signing and they didn't think he was going to have an all-star year and force them into a max deal.
They have to keep flexibility to sign Hayward and Favors which could happen this off-season and Burks and Kanter after that which complicates the situation more.
If Marvin is with them all next year(god forbid) his money comes close to taking care of one of them I'd think. I hope they can put together a better roster than 2004 anyway!
I think there were 3 firsts for Deron.[/QUOTE]
Googs and Rice were only 1 year deals, so taking back the same sort of contract won't affect any extensions, which won't kick in until the 14/15 season. If you've got the money not doing anything, why not try and take an expiring deal like Metta World Peace or Turkoglu and see if you score some extra assets for your trouble?
And you're right, it was 3 picks, the 3rd was the 30th pick in 2006 which they got from Detroit for the Carlos Arroyo/Elden Campbell trade.
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[QUOTE=El Kabong]Googs and Rice were only 1 year deals, so taking back the same sort of contract won't affect any extensions, which won't kick in until the 14/15 season. If you've got the money not doing anything, why not try and take an expiring deal like Metta World Peace or Turkoglu and see if you score some extra assets for your trouble?
And you're right, it was 3 picks, the 3rd was the 30th pick in 2006 which they got from Detroit for the Carlos Arroyo/Elden Campbell trade.[/QUOTE]
No thanks on Metta unless they buy him out which they aren't likely to do. Metta in the Triangle, the Princeton and the Flex with his IQ! Rice they did at the time but O'Conner said they don't do that in regards to Bell. Hedo I could see on the Jazz but than you risk him taking minutes from Hayward and Burks. Googs was at the end of his career so he was a good vet to have around for a few minutes.
To me that's not plan A though. Plan A is to go after the best guys out there that fit with the young guys but aren't going to stunt their growth anymore than has already been done and aren't going to screw up their flexibility the next 3 years. In the end if you still have money to take on contracts than you do like Cleveland did with Memphis. They got some good young players that might be part of their team going forward for free basically.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]No thanks on Metta unless they buy him out which they aren't likely to do. Metta in the Triangle, the Princeton and the Flex with his IQ! Rice they did at the time but O'Conner said they don't do that in regards to Bell. Hedo I could see on the Jazz but than you risk him taking minutes from Hayward and Burks. Googs was at the end of his career so he was a good vet to have around for a few minutes.
To me that's not plan A though. Plan A is to go after the best guys out there that fit with the young guys but aren't going to stunt their growth anymore than has already been done and aren't going to screw up their flexibility the next 3 years. In the end if you still have money to take on contracts than you do like Cleveland did with Memphis. They got some good young players that might be part of their team going forward for free basically.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, not plan A for me either, more of a completely strike out in FA type scenario. Absolutely agree the best (and only sensible) thing to do is to go out there and find the guys you think fit into the core you already have.
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Which is what happened in '04. It was really the first time they'd been in that situation after 20 years of playoffs and they wasted their time going after restricted FA's like Terry and Willie Green(others? I can't remember.). They learned from that and while going after restricted FA's again they targeted two they knew their teams couldn't match the offers with Okur and Boozer. Than they blew it with AK's max deal unfortunately which hurt them for years to come.
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[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765629016/Utah-Jazz-Franchises-future-rests-squarely-on-the-shoulders-of-its-young-Core-Four.html?pg=3[/url]
From Mo:
[QUOTE]"With those young guys, they're going to need some veteran guys around them," Williams said. "They're going to grow next year.
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Definitely. You see how much the vets have helped the kids especially Al with Enes and one look at the Wizards this year with some vets around compared to last year without them.
Earl: [QUOTE]"The young core is going to be amazing for the future," Watson said. "Enes Kanter is going to be a great player, the bigs with Fav, and Gordon and Alec
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Which is what happened in '04. It was really the first time they'd been in that situation after 20 years of playoffs and they wasted their time going after restricted FA's like Terry and Willie Green(others? I can't remember.). They learned from that and while going after restricted FA's again they targeted two they knew their teams couldn't match the offers with Okur and Boozer. Than they blew it with AK's max deal unfortunately which hurt them for years to come.[/QUOTE]
I remember they signed Jason Terry and Corey Maggette to deals, but that was a case of them only signing because the teams they were on said "Go out and get a deal and we'll match". They were smart (also risky) with Okur because Detroit couldn't afford both Sheed and Okur so they gave him a big deal. Boozer was lucky I guess, but at the time I remember they were thinking of offering a max deal to Kenyon Martin also.
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Maggette that's right. I thought there was someone else. Willie Green too I believe.
They talked to Martin. Not sure how serious they were about him. Boozer made more sense for the Jazz though he hadn't proven himself as much at that point in time.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Maggette that's right. I thought there was someone else. Willie Green too I believe.
They talked to Martin. Not sure how serious they were about him. Boozer made more sense for the Jazz though he hadn't proven himself as much at that point in time.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I think you're right. I vaguely remember it being a 4 year/$16 million deal or something along those lines.
I think they had scheduled talks with Martin, but didn't even have a chance to talk with him before they snapped Boozer up. Overall it was the better signing and since Martin scored a AK $84 million max deal and like AK, didn't really deliver on it, Boozer's $68 million deal was better value.
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[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: NBA front-office types voted Denver's Masai Ujiri executive of the year. Jazz's Kevin O'Connor got two second-place votes, finished 13th. Twitter [/QUOTE]
2nd place votes for what?
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[url]http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56293326-87/foot-guard-state-center.html.csp[/url]
Here we go!
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Caught a bit of Tomic tonight in the Euro semis. Looked like he'd put on some weight. Maybe he's ready?
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Steve Luhm: Arrived a little early for Jazz pre-draft workout today. Bumped into Jerry Sloan, who was on his way out. Must have been asked to watch ... Twitter @sluhm
Jeff Hornacek will be a head coach in the NBA, probably
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[QUOTE]Wolters averaged 22.3 points, 5.6 rebounds and 5.8 assists in 38.1 minutes per game last season at South Dakota State.
He has spent the past month at the IMG Academy in Florida, where he has prepared for pre-draft workouts with trainers and coaches, including ex-Jazz assistant Kenny Natt.[/QUOTE]
Should be well prepared for what the Jazz throw at him.
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With zero point guards under contract for the 2013-14 season and beyond, it's no wonder the Utah Jazz's first pre-draft workout included several intriguing playmaker possibilities. Not surprisingly, the guys brought in for this spring's first tryout session knew a few things about the Jazz: 1) Utah has a "Help Wanted" sign up for its guard positions; and 2) this organization has a rich point guard history. Deseret News
"Utah does need a point guard. Everyone's aware of that," Texas guard Myck Kabongo said. "I'm just privileged to be here. I was excited to come out here to Utah." Deseret News
Kevin O'Connor, the Jazz's executive vice president of basketball operations, did walk over to Jamelle Hagins and told the 6-foot-9 athlete within earshot of media, "It's a tough workout. You did a great job." Deseret News
Nate Wolters believes he'd be a "a good fit" with the Jazz, and said he's pretty good at reading defenses, running pick-and-rolls and loves to "just get teammates involved and make plays for others." Deseret News
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Caught a bit of Tomic tonight in the Euro semis. Looked like he'd put on some weight. Maybe he's ready?[/QUOTE]
I reckon he's signed with Barcelona until 2015. Dunno if he has any early buyouts or not on that though.
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Found this.
[QUOTE]He has a 5 million Euro buyout agreement, roughly $7,056,200 US.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if this changes from year to year or not? So now could be the time to do it if they think he's worth it. They have the money now to pay him enough to make it worth his while. If they could get him in the Summer league camp going head to head with Enes and Favors to see exactly what they have it would be nice.
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That buyout might be from his last contract?
Says he's up to 260!
Found this too:
2013年3月6日
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Found this.
Not sure if this changes from year to year or not? So now could be the time to do it if they think he's worth it. They have the money now to pay him enough to make it worth his while. If they could get him in the Summer league camp going head to head with Enes and Favors to see exactly what they have it would be nice.[/QUOTE]
Next year, team buyout amount is only $600K. Gotta find another $6+ million elsewhere, although the Jazz could take that on their cap if they wanted.
He'd probably make a pretty good 3 man big rotation with Favours and Kanter.
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Now looks like it might be the time if they think he is worth what they will have to pay. They might not have the money next year and beyond with Hayward and Favors due to get paid. He's at the top of Euroleague basketball. Someone might want to pay him if they don't anyway.
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See a few mock drafts have the Jazz taking Kelly Olynyk at #14. Listed for Philly at #11 on a few too, but Cody Zeller is around that range too. Seen Michael Carter-Williams listed anywhere from #6 to Sac to #14 to the Jazz. Mavericks might also be interested in him too and the pick #13.
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Only players other than a pg or combo guard should be guys they can stash in Europe or in the D-League.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Only players other than a pg or combo guard should be guys they can stash in Europe or in the D-League.[/QUOTE]
I suppose the only good thing about it being a weak draft is there might be more chance for them to move up.