Off season moves

[QUOTE=DKLaker]To my earlier point about running a 2 bigs offense and how easy it is, look at Memphis with Randolph and Gasol.
It still pisses me off that we were dumb enough to put Marc in the trade for Pau instead of the Sue Yue who the Grizz wanted.
I wanted Marc in the draft, this I posted on ISH before he was drafted, but then we blew it. He is the tougher Gasol, he got smashed in the mouth and laughed at it and kept banging last night, Pau would've cried and wimped out.
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I've often thought this through the season too. Having two excellent bigs has worked well for Memphis. I'm sure Memphis would love a guard like Kobe to work with them too. It's all about strategy.

Ever since the Pau trade I've laughed at the Memphis fans who think they were ripped off. They got Marc Gasol who many think is the best C in the league right now. They also got the cap space to get Randolph. So really they got Marc Gasol & Zach Randolph for Pau Gasol. In the end, they got the better part of the trade. At the time it helped the Lakers more because it gave them the piece they needed to win championships. That trade was a win-win.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]We wouldn't have any problem trading him at all......if we could trade Luke Walton we can trade anyone......lol, and Luke still had 2 years left of crap play. Seriously if we want to trade him there will be a lot of takers.[/QUOTE]

you forgot the main piece of that trade...we traded our 1st with Luke Walton.

now we have zero 1st rounders to trade....13/15/17 all are gone

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]you forgot the main piece of that trade...we traded our 1st with Luke Walton.

now we have zero 1st rounders to trade....13/15/17 all are gone[/QUOTE]

I think they knew they wouldn't be able to afford a first round pick though. A first rounder is a guaranteed contract. As much as all of us would love to add some youth through the draft it doesn't help out things financially. I'd much rather be paying proven athletes. No picks doesn't really upset me. The Lakers just need to make a trade to get some proven younger legs on the team.

[QUOTE=dd24]I think they knew they wouldn't be able to afford a first round pick though. A first rounder is a guaranteed contract. As much as all of us would love to add some youth through the draft it doesn't help out things financially. I'd much rather be paying proven athletes. No picks doesn't really upset me. The Lakers just need to make a trade to get some proven younger legs on the team.[/QUOTE]

but a rebuilding team like Cavs do and they need young unproven athletes cause they are rebuilding.

Thats why they took walton back...

if we are not dealing any picks...whats the point of other team trading for MWP???

we will be getting equally bad contracts...nobody is going to giving us young player for an expirer MWP

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]but a rebuilding team like Cavs do and they need young unproven athletes cause they are rebuilding.

Thats why they took walton back...

if we are not dealing any picks...whats the point of other team trading for MWP???

we will be getting equally bad contracts...nobody is going to giving us young player for an expirer MWP[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been saying. It makes no sense to trade Artest because we're not going to get a younger better SF in return.

I do really like what Cleveland did. They stockpiled picks and now have a solid core with Irving, Waiters, Thompson, and Zeller. They'll highly likely add Otto Porter to that mix too. They turned things around pretty quick.

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]but a rebuilding team like Cavs do and they need young unproven athletes cause they are rebuilding.

Thats why they took walton back...

if we are not dealing any picks...whats the point of other team trading for MWP???

we will be getting equally bad contracts...nobody is going to giving us young player for an expirer MWP[/QUOTE]

I never said a team would give us a young player for Metta, I said that there are many teams would would want him for his toughness and veteran leadership......no question about it. There is no telling what we would get but it would end up a helluva lot smarter than waiving Metta. IF the Lakers want to get rid of him that is.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]I never said a team would give us a young player for Metta, I said that there are [U][B]many teams [/B][/U]would would want him for his toughness and veteran leadership......no question about it. There is no telling what we would get but it would end up a helluva lot smarter than waiving Metta. IF the Lakers want to get rid of him that is.[/QUOTE]

Many teams? I disagree. Many teams would rather(or already) have young and cheap SFs than an older guy with no lift, can't shoot 3's consistently and would be potentially be a problem/distraction ESP with a relatively huge contract like has. Guys like Kawhi Leonard, Harrison Barnes, Paul George,
Matt Barnes, Webster, Delfino, Belinelli, etc etc are so much cheaper. Heck Shane Battier is only getting 3.2 Mil, roughly half of what MWP is getting.
Some contending teams might need his toughness but again, the price tag (esp when they have to give up an attractive player that the Lakers need) and risks are just too much.

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Many teams? I disagree. Many teams would rather(or already) have young and cheap SFs than an older guy with no lift, can't shoot 3's consistently and would be potentially be a problem/distraction ESP with a relatively huge contract like has. Guys like Kawhi Leonard, Harrison Barnes, Paul George,
Matt Barnes, Webster, Delfino, Belinelli, etc etc are so much cheaper. Heck Shane Battier is only getting 3.2 Mil, roughly half of what MWP is getting.
Some contending teams might need his toughness but again, the price tag (esp when they have to give up an attractive player that the Lakers need) and risks are just too much.[/QUOTE]

Bellinelli is tough???? How many of the guys you mentioned are tough enough to guard Lebron are veterans and available. Forget the contract, it's a 1 year expirer which has value above the players ability.
The subject is trade over amnesty, so we would be far better off trading him for a bag of chips on a 2nd rounder than to amnesty him.
My opinion is that if we can't package a trade for someone who will improve the team then just keep Metta and use him wisely which means no 3's....and fire 'Antoni.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Bellinelli is tough???? How many of the guys you mentioned are [B]tough enough to guard Lebron [/B]are veterans and available. Forget the contract, it's a 1 year expirer which has value above the players ability.
The subject is trade over amnesty, so we would be far better off trading him for a bag of chips on a 2nd rounder than to amnesty him.
My opinion is that if we can't package a trade for someone who will improve the team then just keep Metta and use him wisely which means no 3's....and fire 'Antoni.[/QUOTE]

bro that was true MWP in ancient time...he freaking cant durant/melo/ or lebron...

those days are gone...

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]bro that was true MWP in ancient time...he freaking cant durant/melo/ or lebron...

those days are gone...[/QUOTE]

With the way the rules are in the NBA now nobody can. At least Artest is physical enough to give them a little more trouble than most. There's not a lot of guys that can be said about.

[QUOTE=dd24]With the way the rules are in the NBA now nobody can. At least Artest is physical enough to give them a little more trouble than most. There's not a lot of guys that can be said about.[/QUOTE]


Exactly!!!! :cheers:

[QUOTE=dd24]With the way the rules are in the NBA now nobody can. At least Artest is physical enough to give them a little more trouble than most. There's not a lot of guys that can be said about.[/QUOTE]

DK questioned Belinelli's toughness or lack thereof and yet he didn't look that weak on defense with the Bulls. As in I just don't see a great difference between the present MWP and most cheap SF's.

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]DK questioned Belinelli's toughness or lack thereof and yet he didn't look that weak on defense with the Bulls. As in I just don't see a great difference between the present MWP and most cheap SF's.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you don't watch Bellinelli play very much.....lol.

Bad coaching and style of play can make anyone look bad.
If you want fastbreaks and 3 pointers then Metta is not the SF you want nor is Pau the PF you want, just like if you hate post play then Dwight is not the guy you want.
If we had a coach who worked to our players strengths we would've been dominant.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Apparently you don't watch Bellinelli play very much.....lol.

Bad coaching and style of play can make anyone look bad.
If you want fastbreaks and 3 pointers then Metta is not the SF you want nor is Pau the PF you want, just like if you hate post play then Dwight is not the guy you want.
If we had a coach who worked to our players strengths we would've been dominant.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Keep the core, except Dwight. Like, I'm not really excited about keeping him anymore. He had so many chances last year, but he didn't live up to our expectation. If we could sign him for 8mil, that'd be great. But if they do choose to sign him for 20mil or whatever he wants ... I hope they trade him afterwards --- it's just not worth it anymore.

Get rid of Steve Blake & other guards ... rebuild the roster. Sign players that are known for what they're known for or what they're capable of doing.

Ideal roster for next season:

1 - Nash/(Protege)/(Protege)
2 - Bryant/Korver
3 - MWP/Ariza
4 - Gasol/Frye
5 - Bargnani Or Dwight


We can't be getting PG out of anywhere anymore ... we need to develop them. But Steve Blake & Goudelock are just aren't the one, besides Blake is old now.


If you realize it, Jerry Buss always had Forwards that can shoot (Odom, Gasol, Radmanovic, Brian Cook, Horry & the list goes on...F*** SAMAKI WALKER), and there's prolly a reason for that.

Last year, Gasol was not used properly & he had backup that was only known for his defense & scrappy play.



I guess they just need to build a similar roster from 2011. That roster would prolly workout for D'Antoni's system anyway, everyone was a shooter except for Bynum & Mbenga.

It's either that, or FIRE HIS ASS.

$LakerGold.....in short, Fire 'Antoni because his idiotic coaching is never going to work and he wouldn't win an NBA title if he had his pick of the top 15 players in the NBA, he would still manage to FK it up!!!

Can't judge Dwight based on an idiot coach who didn't know how to use him.
It's like going to war against tanks and a General says, no we won't use our tanks, planes or big weapons, we'll only use pistols against them :banghead:
Then the soldiers get criticized for failure :facepalm

[QUOTE=DKLaker]$LakerGold.....in short, Fire 'Antoni because his idiotic coaching is never going to work and he wouldn't win an NBA title if he had his pick of the top 15 players in the NBA, he would still manage to FK it up!!!

Can't judge Dwight based on an idiot coach who didn't know how to use him.
It's like going to war against tanks and a General says, no we won't use our tanks, planes or big weapons, we'll only use pistols against them :banghead:
Then the soldiers get criticized for failure :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I look at it like this.... Chicago has a far worse lineup on the court than the Lakers did yet they are winning. Sure they aren't going to win the series against the Heat, but they'll still make it interesting. They have a coach who knows how to use his players. When a coach can't figure out how to use Dwight Howard, he has no business being in the league.

[QUOTE=dd24]I look at it like this.... Chicago has a far worse lineup on the court than the Lakers did yet they are winning. Sure they aren't going to win the series against the Heat, but they'll still make it interesting. They have a coach who knows how to use his players. When a coach can't figure out how to use Dwight Howard, he has no business being in the league.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :cheers: :applause:

[QUOTE=dd24]I look at it like this.... Chicago has a far worse lineup on the court than the Lakers did yet they are winning. Sure they aren't going to win the series against the Heat, but they'll still make it interesting. They have a coach who knows how to use his players. When a coach can't figure out how to use Dwight Howard, he has no business being in the league.[/QUOTE]

Another yr gone cause we have a pathetic coach....

He has no clue how to use the size we had

He wants d12 to be used as jared jefferies...

i want jimmy butler from Chicago for any pau trade....anything other than boozer coming back should be good

otherwise trade pau and draft burke...

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]i want jimmy butler from Chicago for any pau trade....anything other than boozer coming back should be good

otherwise trade pau and draft burke...[/QUOTE]

Salaries must match or within 20% (?) in order for the trade to materialize and Jimmy Butler has one of the cheapest contracts that are productive.
So it's a safe bet too that they wont give him up esp when they traded Korver and Ronnie Brewer. In connection with that, the Bulls seemed bent on saving $ when they let Asik walk so I don't see them paying Pau but I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=$LakerGold]Keep the core, except Dwight. Like, I'm not really excited about keeping him anymore. He had so many chances last year, but he didn't live up to our expectation. If we could sign him for 8mil, that'd be great. But if they do choose to sign him for 20mil or whatever he wants ... I hope they trade him afterwards --- it's just not worth it anymore.

Get rid of Steve Blake & other guards ... rebuild the roster. Sign players that are known for what they're known for or what they're capable of doing.

Ideal roster for next season:

1 - Nash/(Protege)/(Protege)
2 - Bryant/Korver
3 - MWP/Ariza
4 - Gasol/Frye
5 - Bargnani Or Dwight


We can't be getting PG out of anywhere anymore ... we need to develop them. But Steve Blake & Goudelock are just aren't the one, besides Blake is old now.


If you realize it, Jerry Buss always had Forwards that can shoot (Odom, Gasol, Radmanovic, Brian Cook, Horry & the list goes on...F*** SAMAKI WALKER), and there's prolly a reason for that.

Last year, Gasol was not used properly & he had backup that was only known for his defense & scrappy play.



I guess they just need to build a similar roster from 2011. That roster would prolly workout for D'Antoni's system anyway, everyone was a shooter except for Bynum & Mbenga.

It's either that, or FIRE HIS ASS.[/QUOTE]

I just don't understand why everyone was so down on Dwight.
Bynum and Rose didn't play a single second while Dwight played since day one after back surgery, barely miss games after a torn labrum and STILL among the LEADERS in rebounds, FG% and blocks.:(
Is it that smirk? Yes, I hate that too. :rockon:
Him talking too much to the media? or smiling when they were struggling?
Oh yes.
I ask my friends who also hated Dwight and asked about their favorite centers.
You like Kendrick Perkins? oh yeah, who wouldnt like his toughness and that warrior like body and scowl? His current playoff stats? 2 pts and 4 rebs.
You like Noah, Hibbert, and Chandler?
ALL THESE great guys have less pts and rebounds than Dwight.
Even the guys who are currently thriving like Duncan and Marc Gasol have LESS rebounds than Dwight.:rolleyes:
And Yes, DK also pointed out that his strengths are not fully maximized so, it could have affected his psyche but hey, lets just bag on him, that smirk is just so unbearable. :facepalm

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]I just don't understand why everyone was so down on Dwight.
Bynum and Rose didn't play a single second while Dwight played since day one after back surgery, barely miss games after a torn labrum and STILL among the LEADERS in rebounds, FG% and blocks.:(
Is it that smirk? Yes, I hate that too. :rockon:
Him talking too much to the media? or smiling when they were struggling?
Oh yes.
I ask my friends who also hated Dwight and asked about their favorite centers.
You like Kendrick Perkins? oh yeah, who wouldnt like his toughness and that warrior like body and scowl? His current playoff stats? 2 pts and 4 rebs.
You like Noah, Hibbert, and Chandler?
ALL THESE great guys have less pts and rebounds than Dwight.
Even the guys who are currently thriving like Duncan and Marc Gasol have LESS rebounds than Dwight.:rolleyes:
And Yes, DK also pointed out that his strengths are not fully maximized so, it could have affected his psyche but hey, lets just bag on him, that smirk is just so unbearable. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I agree. It's so crazy to me that people somehow think it would be smart to not resign Dwight like there's a ton of great free agents out there for the Lakers to go after lol. He's still the best C in the game right now. He's now in his prime too. I think he had a pretty solid season for not being 100% for most of it. He's not the Dwight everybody wanted him to be, but I believe next season he will be. He'll have a whole offseason to prepare this time around and he'll finally be completely healthy going into a season for us. Hopefully another season with Kobe will help him with finding his own killer instinct.

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Salaries must match or within 20% (?) in order for the trade to materialize and Jimmy Butler has one of the cheapest contracts that are productive.
So it's a safe bet too that they wont give him up esp when they traded Korver and Ronnie Brewer. In connection with that, the Bulls seemed bent on saving $ when they let Asik walk so I don't see them paying Pau but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]

Gasol puts them over the top while Asik was a solid bench contributor.

Noah/Gasol is as good as it gets....

i read somewhere(take with grain of salt) Bulls were ready to trade for gasol by giving Deng/Butler...Lakers wanted Charlotte pick too...bulls said no

I think lakers will trade pau this summer if they get a blockbuster deal...and if not they will keep him...

Ask MWP to opt out of his contract...give him small contract...if pau is traded...

then trade blake for cap space or amnesty him saving 17mil $$$

Would you trade Nash and 2nd rd pick for Felton and Novak?

[QUOTE=el gringos]Would you trade Nash and 2nd rd pick for Felton and Novak?[/QUOTE]

It's not a deal we should be desperate for and the only reason I say this is because with Sessions playing here, then Nash, Kobe still had control of the basketball for most of the games. We do not need a PG that needs the ball in his hands most of the game. Fisher was the perfect fit next to Kobe. Do we know of any PG's that play off the ball most of the time? The only one I can think of would be Chauncey. He's 37+ years old though. I wouldn't go out of my way for him.

Nash looks like he got used to how Kobe controls everything. He doesn't seem uncomfortable without the ball much either.

The Lakers need athletic defenders and that's it. Just get me some athletes on the perimeter with length. I don't give a shit if they can shoot the 3 ball or not. The Lakers literally have 2 good defensive players Dwight and Steve Blake. And I'm being very generous when I call Steve Blake a good defensive player.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]The Lakers need athletic defenders and that's it. Just get me some athletes on the perimeter with length. I don't give a shit if they can shoot the 3 ball or not. The Lakers literally have 2 good defensive players Dwight and Steve Blake. And I'm being very generous when I call Steve Blake a good defensive player.[/QUOTE]

Steve Blake??? :wtf: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
That's not being generous, that's being delusional :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]The Lakers need athletic defenders and that's it. Just get me some athletes on the perimeter with length. I don't give a shit if they can shoot the 3 ball or not. The Lakers literally have 2 good defensive players Dwight and Steve Blake. And I'm being very generous when I call Steve Blake a good defensive player.[/QUOTE]

I only agree on the ATHLETIC DEFENDERS part. And we just need some more talent. The right size for every position. Jodie meeks @ 6'4, c'mon ... who's he gonna guard when it comes to facing the heat? D-Wade?

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]The Lakers need athletic defenders and that's it. Just get me some athletes on the perimeter with length. I don't give a shit if they can shoot the 3 ball or not. The Lakers literally have 2 good defensive players Dwight and Steve Blake. And I'm being very generous when I call Steve Blake a good defensive player.[/QUOTE]

Putting Steve Blake in the discussion for athletic defenders is hilarious! He's one of the worst in the league. Kobe really needs help defending the perimeter. He's one of the better defenders in the NBA. The problem is he can't guard everyone out there. I'm guessing you forgot about him.

[QUOTE=dd24]Putting Steve Blake in the discussion for athletic defenders is hilarious! He's one of the worst in the league. Kobe really needs help defending the perimeter. He's one of the better defenders in the NBA. The problem is he can't guard everyone out there. I'm guessing you forgot about him.[/QUOTE]

I didn't mean Steve Blake is an athletic defender but the team was noticeably a lot better defensively with him in the line up than Nash. Kobe's man to man defense is still good, hell even great sometimes but his team defense is pretty bad. He can't quickly switch and close out on perimeter players. D'Antoni being a complete joke doesn't help matters but this team seriously just needs 2 defense first players.

Looks like we made a mistake by signing Artest (long-term)

[QUOTE=$LakerGold]Looks like we made a mistake by signing Artest (long-term)[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. The Lakers did win a championship with him. I hardly think that was a mistake. Look at how Ariza has been throughout the past few years. He's having a hard time. If he was on the team still we would likely be complaining about his lack of development.

[QUOTE=dd24]I don't think so. The Lakers did win a championship with him. I hardly think that was a mistake. Look at how Ariza has been throughout the past few years. He's having a hard time. If he was on the team still we would likely be complaining about his lack of development.[/QUOTE]

I agree.....and we didn't get Metta to be a 3pt shooter as 'Antoni used him last season, that is NOT his game. Once again, a good coach uses his players in ways they will be successful. Next Jimmy will hire a coach who will play Kobe at center.....it would go just as poorly as the misuse of Dwight, Metta and Pau.
Get a freaking coach Lakers!!!!!!!!

Chris Duhon was just waived.

[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22576779/lakers-waive-guard-chris-duhon[/url]

After all the hype and guys on here begging that we get him, the guy was flat out horrible, he looked like he didn't even belong on the bench of a D-League team. Good Riddance!!!!!

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Chris Duhon was just waived.

[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22576779/lakers-waive-guard-chris-duhon[/url]

After all the hype and guys on here begging that we get him, the guy was flat out horrible, he looked like he didn't even belong on the bench of a D-League team. Good Riddance!!!!![/QUOTE]

Yup, his days in the league might be done now.

Sign and Trade Howard and Metta for KG and Pierce.
Trade Pau for Rondo.
Trade Nash for Kendrick Perkins

PG-Rondo
SG-Kobe
SF-Pierce
PF-KG
Center-Perkins

[QUOTE=tamaraw08]Sign and Trade Howard and Metta for KG and Pierce.
Trade Pau for Rondo.
Trade Nash for Kendrick Perkins

PG-Rondo
SG-Kobe
SF-Pierce
PF-KG
Center-Perkins[/QUOTE]

If that really happened I'm pretty sure DK would not be a Lakers fan anymore :lol

[QUOTE]Dave McMenamin: The Lakers also inquired about Charlotte free agent Byron Mullens on Sunday night, per a league source. Twitter @mcten
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This is totally a move that 'antoni would make and clearly shows the Lakers front office loves this system more than the fans do.....

[QUOTE=dd24]If that really happened I'm pretty sure DK would not be a Lakers fan anymore :lol[/QUOTE]


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

I'm praying that I can survive the Jimmy Buss/'Antoni era bro :(