Joakim Noah tells Derrick Rose critics to "shut up!"

[QUOTE=SCdac]I'm not insinuating rushing him back or anything, reality is reality, but I do think the public was genuinely mislead through out the season.

The frustration did not come out of nowhere. Maybe it's not fair to Rose, but it's understandable IMO.

For instance, when Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season. It was established and understood, whereas Rose and his camp lead people on to an extent.[/QUOTE]

I think someone in the Bulls front office put Rose in a bad spot. After someone leaked the whole "cleared to return to practice" story to ESPN the guy was put in a "no win" situation. What was Rose supposed to say? I'm missing the whole year despite what the front office is telling you?

Months ago the Bulls front office should have just come out and said that we are shutting him down for the year.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]The ad didn't give a date. And he really believed he was on schedule and worked very hard to get back. Sometimes things happen.[/QUOTE]
Or in this case, don't happen.

[QUOTE=TheTruth11]How do you know that he is "physically" ready to play? Has a Doctor come out and said that? This is what was said:

Sam Smith (who has covered the Bulls for years) said that he has never heard a Doctor come out and say that Derrick Rose has been cleared to play. He said that this story got out there from a front office guy who reported it to ESPN and even then it was said that he was, "cleared to return to practice," not cleared to return to game action.

He also said that Derrick Rose has not been scrimmaging with his teammates because that is not the way that Thibs coaches his team -- meaning they rarely have scrimmages. So, according to Sam Smith, that report is false. The guy has been practicing, shooting around but not scrimmaging on a regular basis -- hardly ready to be tossed into game action.

Everyone wants to point to Adrian Peterson. But like Adrian Peterson himself points out, he even had the benefit of training camp before returning to game action for the Vikings.[/QUOTE]


[url]http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9246457/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-not-ruling-playing-vs-miami-heat[/url]

[QUOTE]With many of his teammates fighting through injuries and illness to play, former Bulls player and current TNT analyst Steve Kerr said last week that Rose owed it to his team to play if he is healthy. Asked about that sentiment, Rose said Monday: "Everybody has their own opinion. The key words that he said is, 'if I'm ready.' Right now, I'm not ready, so I'm just trying to take my time and just really, really be smart."

[B]Rose has been scrimmaging 5-on-5 since Feb. 18 and has been medically cleared to play for two months, but he still doesn't feel confident that his body is ready for game action.

"It's definitely hard but I know that this will be over with pretty soon. Who knows when it's going to stop, but I can't just get down on myself," Rose said Monday.[/B][/QUOTE]


Thibs has said that he's been practicing and was the best player on the floor.

If there's anything physically wrong with his legs, then yes. Get all the way healthy. I can't support this mentally ready sh*t. Just can't.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season... He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed (ie. there was an expectation of #the return)[/QUOTE]

He expected to return. He worked really hard. He didn't see the bump in the road. He is supposed to be optimistic. I think he feels that on any given day the limp in his stride might correct itself. Rose needs his balance to do what he does. But its our guess work and it always was.

[QUOTE=sipitri]
He should be back as a morale booster not as a ****ing superstar. Some minutes off the bench would could make a huge impact on his teammates.[/QUOTE]
and why do you know this better than HIS TEAMMATES?

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee][url]http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9246457/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-not-ruling-playing-vs-miami-heat[/url]

Thibs has said that he's been practicing and was the best player on the floor.

If there's anything physically wrong with his legs, then yes. Get all the way healthy. I can't [B]support [/B]this mentally ready sh*t. Just can't.[/QUOTE]

You once again quoted third hand and fourth hand info. Get Thibes on camera, get a doctor to put it in writing, show us a FO position on the matter. You can't support anything. You are not invested in this matter like they are. It doesn't have to be his legs either that are the problem. It could be balance, it could be over compensation in the hips, it could be several other things. But everybody has his medical records here.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]You once again quoted third hand and fourth hand info. Get Thibes on camera, get a doctor to put it in writing, show us a FO position on the matter. You can't support anything. You are not invested in this matter like they are. It doesn't have to be his legs either that are the problem. It could be balance, it could be over compensation in the hips, it could be several other things. But everybody has his medical records here.[/QUOTE]

You realize those are leg related issues? :coleman:

And stop being dumb. He's medically cleared. He's come out to say it's his decision, he could make it tomorrow or not make it at all. I'm paraphrasing, but those are his words.

Now fans aren't allowed to criticize? Where do these athletes think their fancy cars and mansions come from? If fans didn't watch basketball and discuss/ criticize standout players then most of them would be bagging my groceries.... Of course not many have been in Rose's shoes. If Rose were a dime a dozen then he wouldn't be worth jack sh*t anymore. We wouldn't care about him.

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]You realize those are leg related issues? :coleman:

And stop being dumb. He's medically cleared. He's come out to say it's his decision, he could make it tomorrow or not make it at all. I'm paraphrasing, but those are his words.[/QUOTE]

According to Sam Smith that's not all the way true. When Rose decides he is ready there will be a meeting with the coach, the GM, the owner of the Bulls, and the Doctors, to decide whether he should be allowed to come back or not. First step is yes, Rose has to say that he would like to play. Second step is it has to be approved by the people just mentioned. So it is just not up to Rose. And if that committee of decision makers thinks he is not ready to return to game action, they won't allow him to.

This is what happens when you have a franchise player coming off of career threatening surgery. Caution is key.

I like Noah but he's the one that needs to STFU. Rose brought this on himself.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster]Now fans aren't allowed to criticize? Where do these athletes think their fancy cars and mansions come from? If fans didn't watch basketball and discuss/ criticize standout players then most of them would be bagging my groceries.... Of course not many have been in Rose's shoes. If Rose were a dime a dozen then he wouldn't be worth jack sh*t anymore. We wouldn't care about him.[/QUOTE]

Whose salary do you pay? Stop acting like you pay anyones salary. Fans like yourself swear you are important. Get over yourself.

Ive been saying this for the longest...Leave that man alone and let him come back when HE is ready...Its HIS career thats at stake...not yours...And if you've never torn up your knee, then you have no room to talk period...I don't care who else has come back whether its Rubio, Shumpert, West, whoever...There's also players who came back too early from injuries and were never the same like Gilbert Arenas and Tracy McGrady....

No one is asking Rose to come back and play like the MVP of the league again. Just come back and contribute.

[QUOTE=Dro]Ive been saying this for the longest...Leave that man alone and let him come back when HE is ready...Its HIS career thats at stake...not yours...And if you've never torn up your knee, then you have no room to talk period...I don't care who else has come back whether its Rubio, Shumpert, West, whoever...There's also players who came back too early from injuries and were never the same like Gilbert Arenas and Tracy McGrady....[/QUOTE]I agree with your general premise, though I do not believe someone has to have gone through ACL surgery (or something similar) in order to have room to talk. I think it just takes a little bit of perspective and empathy. I've never had knee surgery, but I can imagine it must be a recovery process that varies greatly from returning from nearly any other sort of basketball ailment (twisted ankle, plantar fasciitis, elbow tendinitis, etc.). I had a hard enough time having my hand surgically repaired then fully trusting it wouldn't re-tear the moment I got tangled up or tried to dunk. I can't imagine what comes along with readying a ripped up knee for NBA basketball.

Otherwise, you're exactly right. It's Rose's career, Rose's life, and Rose's health. If he, his brother, adidas, or B.J. Armstrong felt he might have been ready by now but isn't, so be it. As you said, it's not our life and to be honest, someone making sure they're super healthy before return is actually kind of a welcomed change from the mentioned Arenas and/or McGrady who somehow felt obligated to risk their long term health and wellness so they could get back to NBA basketball as soon as humanly possible.

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I agree with your general premise, [B]though I do not believe someone has to have gone through ACL surgery (or something similar) in order to have room to talk.[/B] I think it just takes a little bit of perspective and empathy. I've never had knee surgery, but I can imagine it must be a recovery process that varies greatly from returning from nearly any other sort of basketball ailment (twisted ankle, plantar fasciitis, elbow tendinitis, etc.). I had a hard enough time having my hand surgically repaired then fully trusting it wouldn't re-tear the moment I got tangled up or tried to dunk. I can't imagine what comes along with readying a ripped up knee for NBA basketball.

Otherwise, you're exactly right. It's Rose's career, Rose's life, and Rose's health. If he, his brother, adidas, or B.J. Armstrong felt he might have been ready by now but isn't, so be it. As you said, it's not our life and to be honest, someone making sure they're super healthy before return is actually kind of a welcomed change from the mentioned Arenas and/or McGrady who somehow felt obligated to risk their long term health and wellness so they could get back to NBA basketball as soon as humanly possible.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with you bro..I have a history of knee injuries, torn up both my knees multiple times and everytime I step on the court, there is STILL a mental hurdle....When I read through a lot of the responses, I can just tell that people don't understand even though they claim they do..That mental hurdle when it comes to your knee is a serious...Its not like an ankle injury or even a broken leg....When Rose mentions muscle memory, I know exactly what he's saying......Everytime he does a jump stop, or a hop step, or has to move laterlly, or spin, or back pedal, you're thinking about your knee...Until you get over that hurdle, I don't care what any doctor has said, you won't be ready to play and you shouldn't be out there...

[QUOTE=Dro]I don't agree with you bro..I have a history of knee injuries, torn up both my knees multiple times and everytime I step on the court, there is STILL a mental hurdle....When I read through a lot of the responses, I can just tell that people don't understand even though they claim they do..That mental hurdle when it comes to your knee is a serious...Its not like an ankle injury or even a broken leg....When Rose mentions muscle memory, I know exactly what he's saying......Everytime he does a jump stop, or a hop step, or has to move laterlly, or spin, or back pedal, you're thinking about your knee...Until you get over that hurdle, I don't care what any doctor has said, you won't be ready to play and you shouldn't be out there...[/QUOTE]Right, and I'm saying someone can learn and understand that's how it works without having gone through it. I don't physically know what it's like to recover from a torn ACL but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine that recovery may include everything you talked about. Knowing and understanding that recovering from a knee injury isn't just about being "OK'd by doctors" is why I'm in agreement with you on Rose's situation.

[QUOTE=Rake2204]Right, and I'm saying someone can learn and understand that's how it works without having gone through it. I don't physically know what it's like to recover from a torn ACL but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine that recovery may include everything you talked about. Knowing and understanding that recovering from a knee injury isn't just about being "OK'd by doctors" is why I'm in agreement with you on Rose's situation.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I feel what you're saying...I still think there's a bit of a difference though...Like even now, my knee doesnt hurt and it might not hurt ever but there's still always that "feeling" in your knee like everytime you do one of those explosive moves, you have to think about it before you actually do it and its really hard to be effective having to play like that. When I'm on the court now, I use like half the moves that I used to, don't do very many spins, try not to do quick 180 turns, careful with my lateral movent and I don't jab step like I used to...Even though I'm physically able to do all of these moves, it just never feels as natural and I'm just not as confident in doing them so I don't.

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It's sad how his teammates play their hearts out and still have to defend him off the court.

[QUOTE=HoopsFanNumero1]I like Noah but he's the one that needs to STFU. Rose brought this on himself.[/QUOTE]

he can and should back up his team mate.

If Rose doesn't believe is ready then he isn't. I seen ACL injuries and they hard to heal, he should just take his time if he wants to have a long career.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]I think the biggest problem people have with Rose is his vagueness about the whole thing. If he came out and said "I will be back for 2013-2014 season", people would be fine with that. Because he is leaving the door open for a return this season, people are questioning him. People like firm answers. They don't like wishy-washy. Same reason Dwight got so much flack last year. It's the whole "will he or won't he" thing all over again.[/QUOTE]

If what he's doing is good enough for his teammates, then it should be good enough for us.

Glad Noah called out all of these nerds that think they're in touch with what real athletes think.

They have a good thing going right now. Rose coming back would probably just mess it all up.

all of these people who are mad that he's not playing are the SAME ones that would be infuriated if he played and re-injured himself.

they would say "why would he play if he's not ready?:facepalm

If this is what Noah feels that who are we to criticize Rose? I just think the only expectations Rose should have is to help the team in any minimal way he could, not having expectations to play at superstar level.

the people who criticize Rose are just a bunch of losers with nothing better to do. instead of talking about how well this team is playing, they spend all day and night talking about the one player not playing.

im sick of this story, get over it. suck it up. move on.

[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]You realize those are leg related issues? :coleman: [/quote]
You said "something physically wrong with his legs." You didn't say leg related issues. If you are going the semantic route, at least play it right.
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And stop being dumb. He's medically cleared. He's come out to say it's his decision, he could make it tomorrow or not make it at all. I'm paraphrasing, but those are his words.[/QUOTE]

You're the one being dumb. You are basically hater sheep. A composition of ignorant third hand information and a need to fulfill your hater contract on Rose. People around you can get you to think anyway they want because you don't want primary information. You find other haters and get emotionally charged when you hear something that agrees with the greater hater agenda. You know you don't have a truth motive in this.

Name me somebody who is invested, and the investment is huge, in this matter that roles like you do with this. And the Bulls organization is huge. Show me the doctor/coach/official/consultant/player that says Rose should have been playing. Your wanna-be hate has no food to thrive on without this. Its a starved argument. Between the 70 or so people over three months are the only can be insiders on this matter haven't said one word like this. But the people on the outside got thousands of pages hating gestures, mainly because hate can never be satisfied.

It is however, a very strange way for a fan to spend basketballs better playoff days.

Name another player that dominates team practices for months but won't return due to mental reasons. Gimme a couple. I want to hear it.

I can't take him seriously.

[QUOTE=Just2McFly]Name another player that [B]dominates team practices for months[/B] but won't return due to mental reasons. Gimme a couple. I want to hear it.

I can't take him seriously.[/QUOTE]

Is he really tho? I've heard people say this, but seen no proof.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]You said "something physically wrong with his legs." You didn't say leg related issues. If you are going the semantic route, at least play it right.


You're the one being dumb. You are basically hater sheep. A composition of ignorant third hand information and a need to fulfill your hater contract on Rose. People around you can get you to think anyway they want because you don't want primary information. You find other haters and get emotionally charged when you hear something that agrees with the greater hater agenda. You know you don't have a truth motive in this.

Name me somebody who is invested, and the investment is huge, in this matter that roles like you do with this. And the Bulls organization is huge. Show me the doctor/coach/official/consultant/player that says Rose should have been playing. Your wanna-be hate has no food to thrive on without this. Its a starved argument. Between the 70 or so people over three months are the only can be insiders on this matter haven't said one word like this. But the people on the outside got thousands of pages hating gestures, mainly because hate can never be satisfied.

It is however, a very strange way for a fan to spend basketballs better playoff days.[/QUOTE]

Basically saying what I have been thinking all along, but you do it better :applause:

There are alot on ISH with agenda against Rose, and they will go to town on him if he steps one foot wrong.

[QUOTE=poido123]Basically saying what I have been thinking all along, but you do it better :applause:

There are alot on ISH with agenda against Rose, and they will go to town on him if he steps one foot wrong.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Poido, the thing that gets me is that people think that you can't see their hate. Like it's too sophisticated to be picked up on the radar. But to many of us, its like they are naked.

This whole thing of judging Rose personally, in front of others, is critical for some people and like its their burning moment of truth. There is this dire need to assess Rose's mental state/capacity. Disliking is ok. Disdain is never a confusing trait to interpret, particularly on a young man who doesn't offend anybody. And the condescending don't realize that they all have that same traits and have very predictable behavior patterns.

I can understand four or five post but this has to be close to 20?

A number of things have hurt Rose in this situation:

1) The advances in medical science. People rightly expect quicker recoveries now, so comparing his injury scenario to Bird's is just dumb.

2) Iman Shumpert. They both suffered similar injuries on the same day. Shumpert came back, perhaps too early, and suffered through not being able to play up to his capacity. Now, he's rounding into shape and looking great. So people can't help but wonder what the hell is really wrong with Rose.

3) Rose family statements: when brother Reggie comes out saying something that easily could be interpreted as Rose holding out because the Bulls hadn't done enough to surround him with top-level teammates, people have the right to question whether this was, in part, the motivation for not playing. Then Rose's own lame statements focusing on the mental, and not the physical, indicate that he could at least be giving his team a few minutes a night.