Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Spot minutes to give Nate a rest?

You could have Oscar robertson off the bench for spot minutes and not be the difference between losing by 40 and being in the game.

If hes not Derrick Rose I dont know why hes playing unless its strictly motivation. But knowing this team as I do...I dont think they would play any harder.

Have you see Nate? Noah? Butler? Taj?

They strike you as guys only going 80% waiting for Rose to come motivate them to 100?

These Bulls arent a bunch of Jerome James looking for motivation.

They go hard all the time.

If he feels he can suit up...im happy to have him.

But if its to be Nates backup and help out a bit he might as well chill.

[QUOTE=unbreakable]big difference. Rose has been DOMINATING in practices.. Thibs calls him the best player in practice and his own teammates do too..

Hill just mad[/QUOTE]
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My friend works out/plays with D. Rose and other Chicago-born NBA players.

He is not DOMINATING in practice, on the contrary, he has had trouble keepin DeQuan Cook (a jumpshooter) in front of him in practice.

STFU about things you have no clue about chump(s).

[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]Lets be real here... Grant Hill, Tim Hardaway, and Magic Johnson have about the same credibility to speak on the situation as 3 random people on this board. They arent doctors, they arent close with Rose. They are random fans with their own opinion just like you and me.

Having said that. Before the playoffs there was an interview with a player who tore his ACL, I forget who, might have even been Doug Collins who also suffered the same thing. He said the hardest part by far was overcoming the mental aspect of the injury. Trusting your knee not to explode again. This is where Rose is at. His instincts are telling him not to play because he is scared. Being scared is an instinct. Its pretty obvious on every level what going on here. No one close to Rose is going to tell him to man up and come back because that would be extremely offensive to Rose on a personal level.

Tl;Dr.. Rose is a bitch[/QUOTE]
Ex players that have seen other players fight with ACL's are a little closer to the situation than the hater sheep on ish. If you play ball professionally and know the hard rigors of exceptionally fast, quick players and the pressure of playing at an extremely high levels in front of millions its very different than hiding behind a computer and just hating. You guys aren't accountable to anything you say here. Most haters are different people in front of live people. The ballers mentioned are accountable to what they say. Their experience is most similar to Roses. Tim and Grant Hill experienced the whole trauma and recuperation stages. We will likely never be in a similar situation like them.

Two, what people will say to Rose in front of his face is irrelevant. If you are invested in, to the tone of 300 million, people aren't focused on being nice to you because you have feelings. Its perform, I'm paying you and I'm not paying you to be nice to you. That's happening at $30,000 much less 300 million. Tim Hardaway and Grant Hill know the pressures, know that the doctors aren't the final word, they know the limitations of how things work in Rose's situation. They know what happens when you only listen to the doctors and not yourself. People here act like they would put their life on the line once the doctors say they are cleared.

If Derrick Rose is different in his healing, it is what it is. Everybody is a little different. Obviously he's a super athlete, and he is special in that regards, but it doesn't mean he's a regular healer, too. People on the outside can't make that judgement with any confidence.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Nahhh, not the same as union workers. Overall you have been negative in this matter despite not hearing from personal trainers, doctors or those who have invested millions in Rose.

Hill is in the same profession, was a player of superstar impact, and dealt with a similar type circumstance that puts the balance of long term, decision making on the table. Hill isn't telling anybody to think like him - he's saying think. Period. When Shumpert said its about a franchise thinking like a franchise and protecting its long term risk, they are telling folks to think big picture. Something which you never talk about.[/QUOTE]

I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.

It will have taken, what, 15-16 months for him to fully get over this injury and play in an NBA game?

Personally, he's one of my favorite players and I want to see him have a long great career. I vehemently defend his MVP to people, because it was obvious he deserved it. But it's a struggle for everybody involved I think. If it was a complete non-issue, and blatantly obvious Rose is not even close to ready, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. But it's like the opposite of that. Rightly or wrongly.

[QUOTE=SCdac]I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.

It will have taken, what, 15-16 months for him to fully get over this injury and play in an NBA game?

Personally, he's one of my favorite players and I want to see him have a long great career. But it's a struggle for everybody involved I think. If it was a complete non-issue, and blatantly obvious Rose is not even close to ready, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. But it's like the opposite of that. Rightly or wrongly.[/QUOTE]
Do you ever get tired of speaking on things you know nothing about?

I KNOW PEOPLE that play with Rose, that train with him (after his ACL injury).

He is NOT ready.....Cook is breaking him down off the dribble in practice.

You;re showing your inner retard right now.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Do you ever get tired of speaking on things you know nothing about?

I KNOW PEOPLE that play with Rose, that train with him (after his ACL injury).

He is NOT ready.....Cook is breaking him down off the dribble in practice.

You;re showing your inner retard right now.[/QUOTE]

If it's so clear he's not ready...why not just say so and end this shit?

Why are there so many reports saying the exact opposite you are?

Wilbon himself said it was all mental now...why should we trust you over a reporter that knows the Bulls ins and outs very well?

Acting like this isn't a debate is just silly.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Really...ive been a Bulls fan since before Jordan. My mom has been a Bulls fan since Jerry sloan days(with a brief stop as a Laker fan because of Magic but I believe society pardons fickle female sports fans). My brothers are bulls fans. Several of my close friends as well.

You know the only person I see in person who has sounded like the people online mad at Rose?

This is just version 193298 of internet haters finding a subject to latch on to and make it a bigger deal than it is.

I have Heat fan friends who have nothing negative to say about Rose. Knick fans. But on here its nothing but "Rose is bitchmade!", "***** ass Rose...MAN UP!" and calling out fans and all that? I dont know what happens to people when they get to type instead of speak. Would people really be this awful in person without the risk of physical violence?

Is that all thats keeping the real world sports fans from being like on the internet? Knowing they are risking their lives by acting this way?

Jeff posted an article on the ISH main site saying their GM wasnt expecting him back this year at all.

And that was in June.

But now...he was supposed to be back months ago all along?

Nah. real Bulls fans are not that upset.

If they are I dont know them.

And I know an awful lot of Bulls fans...

And truth be told...in person...Heat/Knick fans arent this bad about it either.[/QUOTE]

Behind the computer folks are internet thugs. Things said on the net will not be be televised. They go to a sports bar they wouldn't open their mouths. Because the accountability factor is live and their follow up of cursing and illogical reply isn't tolerated. The response of "wow, are you from a broken to pieces home where the head of the household's name was Derrick Rose?" would jolt them or make their irrational hate seem naked. I have never ran into this type of behavior live and I am out quit a bit.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]If it's so clear he's not ready...why not just say so and end this shit?

Why are there so many reports saying the exact opposite you are?

Wilbon himself said it was all mental now...why should we trust you over a reporter that knows the Bulls ins and outs very well?

Acting like this isn't a debate is just silly.[/QUOTE]
BECAUSE THE MYSTERY SELLS BASKETBALL TICKETS!!!

Wilbon, Kerr, Bayless, etc. do not get to say their honest opinion, they get TOLD what stance to take and what to say a lot of the time.

Reporters, interviewers, league execs, etc have AGENDAS. My friend does not have an agenda. If Rose was acting yssup he would just tell everyone.

[QUOTE=SCdac]I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.
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I don't know if you have crazy anxiety about this issue or what. He'll play when he is ready to play. The commercials are just commercials, if you seen him, why on earth would you question his desire? Its obvious something is out of whack. Just leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]BECAUSE THE MYSTERY SELLS BASKETBALL TICKETS!!!

Wilbon, Kerr, Bayless, etc. do not get to say their honest opinion, they get TOLD what stance to take and what to say a lot of the time.

Reporters, interviewers, league execs, etc have AGENDAS. My friend does not have an agenda. If Rose was acting yssup he would just tell everyone.[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious. They are doing this to sell tickets? That is your logic...holy shit.

What will you say if he comes back tomorrow and plays well? Will he not be ready still?

And LOL at Wilbon having to take a stance. His stance is don't come back...but he's still been reporting that it's mostly mental now and that he hears good things coming out of practices.

The whole situation has been poorly handled....obvious to everyone. And based on all the reports, outside of your friend of course, we are hearing that Rose is looking good and is healthy...but he's not mentally ready to play.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]You can't be serious. They are doing this to sell tickets? That is your logic...holy shit.

What will you say if he comes back tomorrow and plays well? Will he not be ready still?

And LOL at Wilbon having to take a stance. His stance is don't come back...but he's still been reporting that it's mostly mental now and that he hears good things coming out of practices.

The whole situation has been poorly handled....obvious to everyone. And based on all the reports, outside of your friend of course, we are hearing that Rose is looking good and is healthy...but he's not mentally ready to play.[/QUOTE]
Did you ready Grant Hill's report?

Everyone said HE was ready to play and he was NOT!

If he plays tomorrow then he is ready you MFin idiot WTF?

It's obvious to everyone with an adult brain that media reports=/=the truth.

The fact that you are taking them to heart is very telling.

Derrick Rose was medically cleared to play basketball MONTHS AGO.

[quote=point guard]I don't know if you have crazy anxiety about this issue or what. He'll play when he is ready to play. The commercials are just commercials, if you seen him, why on earth would you question his desire? Its obvious something is out of whack. Just leave it at that.[/quote]

Huh? :rolleyes:

You are the one going off on tangents about "internet thugs" and other nonsense.

You are the one getting emotional about something being widely talked about in the sports world.

Just google "Derrick Rose" in google news... this is not an issue that's living and breathing on just basketball message boards or being talked about by "nerdy people behind their computers".

[B]Derrick Rose: Your team needs you, it's time to suit up[/B]
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634232-derrick-rose-your-team-needs-you-its-time-to-suit-up[/url]

[B]Bull's Derrick Rose Stand out for not toughing it out[/B]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/sports/basketball/bulls-derrick-rose-stands-out-for-not-toughing-it-out.html?_r=0[/url]

[B]Controversy festers around Bulls' Derrick Rose[/B]
[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2013/05/nba_high-5_360.html[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves[/B]
[url]http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/4311600/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-injury-luol-deng-doctors[/url]

[B]Should Derrick Rose Return?[/B]
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9253866/coast-coast-discussing-derrick-rose-potential-return[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose, by any other name, is making the right call by not playing for the Bulls[/B]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/derrick-rose-by-any-other-name-is-making-the-right-call-by-not-playing-for-chicago-bulls/2013/05/07/515f7658-b75d-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html[/url]

These articles vary in their tone, opinions, suggestions, etc, etc...

But the point is, nobody should feel guilty for having an opinion on the matter. Again, the whole basketball world is talking about it.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Did you ready Grant Hill's report?

Everyone said HE was ready to play and he was NOT!

If he plays tomorrow then he is ready you MFin idiot WTF?

It's obvious to everyone with an adult brain that media reports=/=the truth.

The fact that you are taking them to heart is very telling.[/QUOTE]

You seem confused.

If Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play. The problem is that he's been cleared for months now...and he's practicing...and he and the Bulls are making comments about potentially playing.

The Hill thing is different. If you are hurt...don't play. Simple as that. But being mentally unsure is not being hurt. Once your ACL heals...it's healed and there is no extra added danger of doing something again to it.

Just sounds absurd...the whole thing does. And if he really was hurt and not close...he wouldn't be practicing and making the comments he has.

He never distanced himself from his idiot brother either. We don't Rose...for all I know he's been ready for months and sat out to make a statement that he needs more help...then that backfired when the Bulls played so well and won the series...and now he's afraid to come back.

I have no clue. But at least there is evidence to support that theory.

You can't just say..."play when you want to"...ok...then every player could just decide not to play for any reasons.

Anyone that has played competitive basketball beyond high school knows you are never 100% after the first few games. Never. And the likelihood of getting injured goes up at less than 100%. Yet, as a basketball player, you have to play on sore and twisted ankles and knees your entire career.

I don't really care about this anymore. It's obvious to everyone other than Rose fans that this thing was horribly handled and that Rose should have come back over a month ago.

If you are good enough to go in practice....and you are medically cleared to play. You are good enough to at least give it a go in games and see how you react.

Like Barkley said last night...but he's biased as well I guess.

Yes.....everyone thinks he should come back...except the many people quoted saying otherwise?

Just gonna make reality what you feel like it being?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]You seem confused.

If Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play. The problem is that he's been cleared for months now...and he's practicing...and he and the Bulls are making comments about potentially playing.

The Hill thing is different. If you are hurt...don't play. Simple as that. But being mentally unsure is not being hurt. Once your ACL heals...it's healed and there is no extra added danger of doing something again to it.

Just sounds absurd...the whole thing does. And if he really was hurt and not close...he wouldn't be practicing and making the comments he has.

He never distanced himself from his idiot brother either. We don't Rose...for all I know he's been ready for months and sat out to make a statement that he needs more help...then that backfired when the Bulls played so well and won the series...and now he's afraid to come back.

I have no clue. But at least there is evidence to support that theory.

You can't just say..."play when you want to"...ok...then every player could just decide not to play for any reasons.

Anyone that has played competitive basketball beyond high school knows you are never 100% after the first few games. Never. And the likelihood of getting injured goes up at less than 100%. Yet, as a basketball player, you have to play on sore and twisted ankles and knees your entire career.

I don't really care about this anymore. It's obvious to everyone other than Rose fans that this thing was horribly handled and that Rose should have come back over a month ago.

If you are good enough to go in practice....and you are medically cleared to play. You are good enough to at least give it a go in games and see how you react.

Like Barkley said last night...but he's biased as well I guess.[/QUOTE]

Grant Hill made a clear comparison of his situation and Rose's.

smh...I can explain it to you...I can't understand it for you:facepalm

Whoever you got your HS diploma from needs to be slapped repeatedly.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]

I have no clue.
[/QUOTE]


The only true thing you've typed in this thread.:oldlol:

And there is evidence rose sat out while being fine...for the express purpose of trying to make the Bulls lose games/a series? To prove a point?

Did I read that right?

Tell me I missed some context by not freally reading the whole argument you two are having.

Im really hoping I missed a lot. Thats some euroleague level shit there.

[QUOTE=Unbiased_one]At the very least, Lebron, Pau, Chris Paul and Howard were more valuable than him. You could easily argue for dirk, [B]pierce[/B] and durant as well.[/QUOTE]

[U]2010-2011[/U]
[B]Pierce:[/B] 19, 5, and 5

[B]Rose:[/B] 25, 8, and 4

:biggums:

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves][U]2010-2011[/U]
[B]Pierce:[/B] 19, 5, and 5

[B]Rose:[/B] 25, 8, and 4

:biggums:[/QUOTE]
And they won 60+ games to boot.:rockon:

[QUOTE=Go Getter]And they won 60+ games to boot.:rockon:[/QUOTE]

Just realized that cat said Pau Gasol deserved the MVP more than Rose...

Holy shit, the idiotic trolling by some April 2013 kids is riveting.

I find it hilarious that non bulls fans are more pissed off and posting daily about why and when rose is coming back more then bulls fans themselves.

I know yall miss him but get over it, dude's not coming back this year.

That was pretty nice of Grant Hill to put a little perspective on this whole D-Rose situation. I am glad that Rose is sitting out until "HE" feels ready. There is so much pressure on this young man. The media and fans wanting him to go out there and play. Play at what level? Will folks be happy if he is playing at 20%, 60%, 75%? Nope. So when Rose is ready, HE will play.

Grant Hill should sign with the Heat during the off season. I want to see him win a championship.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Huh? :rolleyes:
You are the one going off on tangents about "internet thugs" and other nonsense.
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It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.
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You are the one getting emotional about something being widely talked about in the sports world.

Just google "Derrick Rose" in google news... this is not an issue that's living and breathing on just basketball message boards or being talked about by "nerdy people behind their computers".

[B]Derrick Rose: Your team needs you, it's time to suit up[/B]
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634232-derrick-rose-your-team-needs-you-its-time-to-suit-up[/url]

[B]Bull's Derrick Rose Stand out for not toughing it out[/B]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/sports/basketball/bulls-derrick-rose-stands-out-for-not-toughing-it-out.html?_r=0[/url]

[B]Controversy festers around Bulls' Derrick Rose[/B]
[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2013/05/nba_high-5_360.html[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves[/B]
[url]http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/4311600/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-injury-luol-deng-doctors[/url]

[B]Should Derrick Rose Return?[/B]
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9253866/coast-coast-discussing-derrick-rose-potential-return[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose, by any other name, is making the right call by not playing for the Bulls[/B]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/derrick-rose-by-any-other-name-is-making-the-right-call-by-not-playing-for-chicago-bulls/2013/05/07/515f7658-b75d-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html[/url]

These articles vary in their tone, opinions, suggestions, etc, etc...

But the point is, nobody should feel guilty for having an opinion on the matter. Again, the whole basketball world is talking about it.[/QUOTE]

I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.

[QUOTE=Rockets(T-mac)]The biggest issue isn't even him not playing, if he or the Bulls would just come out and say "he's not playing" then people wouldn't talk about so much. When the dude is like my status is up in the air, obviously everyone is going to get annoyed.

He could even come back after they officially said he won't, if he felt like it, but they are just idiotic for not saying anything.[/QUOTE]

How does he come out and say he is not playing when someone in Bulls management thru him under the bus by saying he had been cleared to return? In other words, what you asking him to do is to come out and say the exact opposite of what his boss has said. To be in conflict with management... to be in conflict with his boss.

When that story leaked from the Bulls they put Rose in a no win situation. Either come back before you are ready or say the exact opposite of what management just said and say that you going to be out the whole year.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Grant Hill made a clear comparison of his situation and Rose's.

smh...I can explain it to you...I can't understand it for you:facepalm

Whoever you got your HS diploma from needs to be slapped repeatedly.[/QUOTE]

Yes. It's so crazy to expect a NBA player that is medically cleared to play and practicing....to play.

I don't know why he isn't. Neither do you. You claim to more know than you possibly could.

The sports world...including media members close to the Bulls are left dumbfounded as well.

There are many opinions going around. I don't care what the opinions are.

But, like I have said from the very beginning....if Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play.

The problem? All the evidence points to him not being hurt and him sitting out because...well, he doesn't feel like playing. Did I get that right?

I don't care what Grant Hill or anyone else says....you aren't more likely to get injured once your ACL is healed. And if it's healed...like all evidence points to...sitting out doesn't change anything.

If you can't grasp that simple concept then you are just too stupid to even converse with.

The only reason this isn't even a bigger deal is because everyone seems to like Rose. If Carmelo was doing this...it would be a different situation...completely.

And Rose never distanced himself from his brothers' comments. So how are we supposed to know how he truly feels if he hasn't said anything.

And LOL at someone claiming he was thrown under the bus because someone in the Bulls organization said he was medically cleared. Why should that be kept a secret?

Do you really not remember people in the media at first saying that even if he was ready...he should sit because the Bulls just aren't that good. That was the narrative they created to protect Rose...and that was around the time of those comments from the Rose camp.

Obviously that myth has been blown out of the water. So now Rose defenders are left scrambling. He's no longer hurt...and the Bulls are certainly a championship supporting cast. So what excuses does he have left? "muscle memory"...hahahahaah

[QUOTE=Pointguard]It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.


I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. [B]You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.[/B][/QUOTE]

:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.

Do people understand that Rose has been cleared by his own doctor? Not the doctor being payed by the bulls. His own personal doctor.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Spot minutes to give Nate a rest?

You could have Oscar robertson off the bench for spot minutes and not be the difference between losing by 40 and being in the game.

If hes not Derrick Rose I dont know why hes playing unless its strictly motivation. But knowing this team as I do...I dont think they would play any harder.

Have you see Nate? Noah? Butler? Taj?

They strike you as guys only going 80% waiting for Rose to come motivate them to 100?

These Bulls arent a bunch of Jerome James looking for motivation.

They go hard all the time.

If he feels he can suit up...im happy to have him.

But if its [B]to be Nates backup and help out a bit he might as well chill.[/B][/QUOTE]
Why though? You think he can't help from that position? Bulls almost got beaten by Nets and Rose could have helped them off the bench for a shorter series. Or at the very least try.

[QUOTE=SCdac]:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.[/QUOTE]

I just heard Wilbon say Rose is mentally scared to come back...not in a negative way, but that he's scared to come back.

You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT

You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT[/QUOTE]

This.

There is some weird fascination with Rose...his fans can't even admit when he plays a poor game.

Now they have to do all this work to try and make a simple issue complicated.

It's simple. He's fine physically and is scared to come back now because he's afraid he might hurt himself again. That is what is going on. Everyone in the ****ing world can see it but Rose morons.

And that is fine...I understand why Rose would feel that way. But that doesn't mean we can't criticize a player for not playing for "mental" reasons.

[QUOTE=ThatsGame]You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.[/QUOTE]

And the other part that is often ignored...Rose's camp came out saying Rose shouldn't come back because the team isn't good enough. The media happened to agree with his campe on this...ROFL

Did Rose distance himself from that? Nope. And then you have Rose fans getting all hot and bothered about someone saying maybe that is how Rose feels as well and didn't initially come back because he didn't think they had a chance to do anything.

All we are doing is drawing logical conclusions based on the evidence.

Rose can do anything he wants. But the minute there is evidence to support that a player is not playing for mental reasons...I will criticize the player...especially the way Rose has handled this with all this...."i might come back...i might not BS"

I support Rose because he seems like a good guy...but honestly, this reminds me a lot of the Vince/Toronto incident where he sat out forever with a simi-fake injury. I think a little transparency from Rose and the organization would go a long way for public image.

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT[/QUOTE]

you said it. it's pathetic. how do they not see it??? derrick rose isn't a deity. he's a kind of dumb kid who's also good at basketball. how can you rationalize everything he does? his teammate joakim noah CLEARLY has a much more admirable attitude.

[QUOTE=Pointguard] [B]You said he made money off of the rehab[/B], and [B]I think it was you [/B]said he ruined several of your [B]fantasy leagues[/B]. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.

[QUOTE=SCdac]

:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie.[B] I never [SIZE="3"]said any of that[/SIZE], and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on.[/B] Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic. [/quote] [/quote]

Whoa!!!
Errie??? Never said any of that??? These post are posted under your name right?

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552157&postcount=28[/url]
"[I]dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which [/i][U]he and adidas profited IMO[/U]... "

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552242&postcount=36[/url]
"[i]Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But[/i][U] I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season[/U][i]... He was also drafted in [/i][U]every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed[/U][i] (ie. there was an expectation of #the return[/I]"

Are you bipolar??? That was two days ago and you have zero recollection. You were super specific: "year long marketing campaign" with "boat loads" and "every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed" these words imply you fully thought out all of your thoughts and loaded them so that we fully get you. But you forgot any connection in 48 hours???

[quote]
Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.[/QUOTE]
:lol Stay off of Ish? Really? Why? - it might make me bipolar???

In getting to that post of two days ago I passed by 8 other Rose topics. I am definitely not in 5 maybe even 6 of them. I pick out only the ones I believe might have a deeper grasp on the topic. I'm very specific and choosy on what I pick out. All boards have a certain amount of haters. That's reality.

Our back and fourth is very lite to me. No offense taken at all on this end. A good point may sometimes delve deep.

So Rose is not a bitch defenders.. I have a question for you.. How come during this whole highly publicized ordeal is there not one candid interview with Rose talking about whats going on. If there was some real issue at hand preventing him from playing, why doesn't Rose just go on record talking about it?


I'll tell you why...


Because he is full of shit and he knows it, he cannot sit in front of a camera and answer questions about it because he will be exposed. 1 for being an idiot. and 2 for being an in-genuine asshole. He does not want to put himself out there and play subpar... which is inevitable... he wants to just slowly easy himself in. Except right now his team needs him. But he a straight bitch.

tl;dr... someone plz summarize