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[QUOTE=Myth]That is a crazy high income. I know many teachers personally and none of them make even close to that much money. How did you know his income? Did the teacher brag about it in class, or are you pulling that number out of your butt?[/QUOTE]
I looked it up on some website that had all the salaries of every teacher and administrator in the school. I can't find it right now.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]My brother is an administrator and he doesn't make that kind of money. Ace is making some pretty general assumptions in this thread, overall.
I know a lot of good teachers who genuinely care about the kids and have devoted their lives to what they do. As with any career, there is a range of employees with different levels of interest/involvement.
As for rate of pay for teachers, it fluctuates based on cost of living in the area, but I don't know a single teacher/coach who makes anything close to $80,000 a year.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do not think $80,000 is [i]that[/i] common for a teacher. But like you said, it kind of depends upon location and district.
In [i]our[/i] district, pay begins at $34,000 and if someone is employed at that district for 25 years (and did not achieve a Masters) the highest they'll be paid is around $63,000 per year. With a Masters, 30 more credits on top and over 25 years of service, that number can reach $70,000. So $80,000 is not far-fetched, but it'd take a lot of experience and going above and beyond a Masters to make it happen.
In regards to teaching itself, I think the truth about the time, the effort, and the pay (or lack thereof), lies somewhere in the middle of what everyone's saying here. It's certainly not a 180 day/8 hour job. But I also don't think teachers are totally in the poor house. As other folks said, at least a teacher's wage is, for the most part, livable, where there's many other occupations that require more work and pay less. I suppose it's all relative though.
If you guys want more information on teacher pay, most school websites have a "Transparency" icon on their homepage where they're obligated to showcase contract information to the public.
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]If this kid is truly as smart as he claims to be, he would attack the curriculum and not the teacher; teachers are only following a bullsh*t curriculum based on killing off creativity, using the lowest level kind of thinking (memorization and repitition), and training the mind to view the world through an erroneous perspective (materialism, facts, objectivity).
Classes are structured to be boring, textbooks are written like instructional guides on purpose to block conceptual thinking, and teachers are told to follow the procedure or they will be fired.[/QUOTE]Well, I feel teachers can be terrible regardless of curriculum but you raise a very solid point anyway. A lot of teachers are handcuffed. The freedom we as students so desire is not always as possible as we wish it to be. Each administration and every state values percentages and numbers, not whether our students are actually learning. I mean, I think they wish and hope that high percentages and numbers mean kids are learning, but I think we all know they don't always go hand in hand.
As such, with higher standardized test scores and established benchmarks being a school's primary set of goals, there's often a very specific manner with which every topic and subject must be taught. Within my district, all teachers teaching the same subject level must be at the same exact spot in their progress on a day to day basis. That means if one teacher is at the point where they must make their students read The Great Gatsby and they're on page 45, any other teacher teaching their own English 2 class must also be at that point on the same day.
Schools, states, and districts want uniformity. There are very specific benchmarks to be met and oftentimes, that means a teacher is not able to go down the roads they wish to go, or spend the amount of time they wish to spend. The great ones can find a way, but at this point they're still never free to unleash what they're capable of. The words of wisdom given by most older teachers in our district these days is, "Whew, I feel bad for you new teachers. It's crazy what you guys have to go through now." So that's always comforting.
[b]If you understandably skipped all the long text above, here's the essence of what the modern day public school system has developed into:
"What was educationally significant and hard to measure has been replaced by what is educationally insignificant and easy to measure. So now we measure how well we taught what isn't worth learning." - Arthur Costa[/b]
several things. That teacher and her terrible attitude piss me off. Duncanville is a fairly crappy suburb of dallas that needs all the help it can get, not dumb and lazy bitches like her.
Teachers arent paid enough. The work load extends well past the classroom into your evenings and weekends. Most school districts have expectations that you use your own salary to outfit the classroom (I know a first grade teacher that was told she needed to provide a class library for her students and was then told that the ~100 books she had bought with her own money were not enough. She was also expected to buy the large rug for the room and many of the basic supplies). Ridiculous
Because teachers arent paid enough (or really considered an important job), many of the best potential teachers do not go into the field. Just looking at my HS class through facebook, all of the people who are now teachers were the middling and average kids in the school. None of them expressed a great aptitude or passion for the subject they now teach. Essentially, they went into education because there are jobs in the field. All of the top students from my class and the ones with a passion for a certain subject do something else now (professor, lawyers, doctors, architects, business). So, what do we expect when very few of our best and brightest go on to engage our youth in education.
[QUOTE=Deleterious]I would say teaching the future of the the country you live in is a darn important job.[/QUOTE]
Redundant joke is redundant.
[QUOTE=ace23]Couple clowns in here.
I specifically remember my HS psych teacher citing these reasons for becoming a teacher after getting his degree:
1. Summers off
2. 8-hour days
We did nothing in his class but watch movies and discuss current events. We all received 100s on our report cards after turning in the odd biweekly worksheet.
Dude made 80K+/year. It's a joke.[/QUOTE]
No public high school teacher makes $80K a year. You're flat out lying.
And to base your opinions of teachers on 1 slacker that didn't care about his job is simply asinine.
For certain teachers with tenure it can get up to $80,000..but no public school teacher makes that much.. Administrators? they might get that much... maybe a superintendent of a large district will get that... but teachers dont really get that much in salary.. definitely not public school
Vast majority of teachers are making in the range of 30 to 50 thousand a year. 80 thou is pretty rare... but I see it often quoted by people who want to undermine and misrepresent teachers. like anti blue collar types who scream "union thugs" at anyone who takes about collective bargaining.
its basically a misrepresentation of what teachers make...
80k for a superintendent? My town has 4 schools and the guy was pulling in 120k, he just retired.
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]80k for a superintendent? My town has 4 schools and the guy was pulling in 120k, he just retired.[/QUOTE]
I meant simply administration.. my bad for the confusion.. supes make over 100, and admin in big districts will see 80 thousand.
like I said there are some teachers who will see 80 thousand, but that is the vast minority of teachers..
I looked it up and there are 6 in the philadelphia school district (which surprises me)
6 Top-Earning Teachers
1. Amish Shah, $145,733.55
2. Barbara Jo Bess Pashak, $132,685.75
3. Michael Hawkins, $130,821.40
4. Patricia Harrell, $121,684.91
5. Carol E. Walton, $121,133.85
6. Karen Kelly Nickens, $119,394.41
but generally you wont see those numbers in a school district unless you are in administration..
My mother is a 2nd grade public school teacher teacher in Port Jervis, NY and her salary is currently at $81,000, and it will max out at $90,000. She is 48 years old, has a master's and has been teaching for 18 years.
Where are you guys getting your numbers? :lol
A friend of mine who graduated in 2009 landed a high school earth science teaching job in Westchester, NY with a starting pay of $51,000. Granted this is a very wealthy area.
Most schools will start you off at $30-$40,000, but you get a raise every year or couple of years. It doesn't take long to get in the $50,000+ range.
[QUOTE=enayes]My mother is a 2nd grade public school teacher teacher in Port Jervis, NY and her salary is currently at $81,000, and it will max out at $90,000. She is 48 years old, has a master's and has been teaching for 18 years.
Where are you guys getting your numbers? :lol
A friend of mine who graduated in 2009 landed a high school earth science teaching job in Westchester, NY with a starting pay of $51,000. Granted this is a very wealthy area.
Most schools will start you off at $30-$40,000, but you get a raise every year or couple of years. It doesn't take long to get in the $50,000+ range.[/QUOTE]
48 years old with a masters and teaching for 18 years in NY probably is why she is pulling 81 g's
you are right about the starting salary being in the 30 to 40 range... But I know in this state we have a republican governor who is cutting education every chance he gets in order to give tax breaks to his fracking friends, so there isnt going to be many raises in the near future for teachers. In fact, alot of positions are being cut. Not many teachers will last long enough to have enough tenure to make that kind of money
[QUOTE=enayes]My mother is a 2nd grade public school teacher teacher in Port Jervis, NY and her salary is currently at $81,000, and it will max out at $90,000. She is 48 years old, has a master's and has been teaching for 18 years.
Where are you guys getting your numbers? :lol
A friend of mine who graduated in 2009 landed a high school earth science teaching job in Westchester, NY with a starting pay of $51,000. Granted this is a very wealthy area.
Most schools will start you off at $30-$40,000, but you get a raise every year or couple of years. It doesn't take long to get in the $50,000+ range.[/QUOTE]Whew, starting at $51,000 is pretty impressive. I never see that. In Michigan and its surrounding states it seems pretty much standard that a starting teacher's salary will be between $29,000 and $34,000.
And your mom's salary is more than believable, particularly if she's put in almost 20 years and has a Masters.
The real crazy salaries to me belong to superintendents. Ann Arbor's super is currently making $245,000 per year ([url]http://www.annarbor.com/news/education/database-ann-arbor-public-schools-patricia-green-is-no-1-highest-paid-superintendent-in-michigan/)[/url]. The district reasoned they had to find a way to draw a good super to the city. Significant outcry seemed to lead to A2's decision to cap the next super salary at $220,000. It seemed folks weren't pumped about schools taking cuts at every turn while boosting the superintendent's salary along the way.
Liberal teachers are destroying the youth.
Metal as f***
[QUOTE=ItsMillerTime]No public high school teacher makes $80K a year. You're flat out lying.[/QUOTE]
Shut up, kid.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/fashion/01generationb.html?_r=0[/url]
She started teaching in 1978 for $11,250 a year
So, you took a 35 year tenured teacher in the area with the highest cost of living in the country as your representative example. Really?
[URL="http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/"]http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/[/URL]
You will notice there are only about 5 states where the average teacher salary (including ladies like the one in your article) makes over 60k. Your POV is way out of line with reality.
That kid is embarrassing.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]My mom worked at a saudi private school in one of the richest counties in America and only made 60k a year.
I'm also friends with a teacher and if she's gonna be making 100k a year soon I need to marry her asap.[/QUOTE]
even private school teachers in US make less than their public school counterparts after controlling for neighborhoods.
Public school teachers at some wealthy counties pull in 100k+ plus easy.
[QUOTE=ace23]Shut up, kid.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/fashion/01generationb.html?_r=0[/url][/QUOTE]
As someone else said...this is not a representative sample. For instance, my mother who retired in her 30th year of teaching, was pulling just over 60k...and that was with a Master's. This is going to be a much more accurate number for most of the nation.
I'm not trying to get some representative sample. Read what this fool wrote:
[QUOTE][B]No public high school teacher makes $80K a year.[/B] [B][SIZE="6"]You're[/SIZE][/B] flat out lying.[/QUOTE]
Yes, [SIZE="6"][B]I'm[/B][/SIZE] the one lying. :oldlol:
LOL, some of my HS gym teachers were getting paid over 100k. Talk about a waste of tax payer money...
I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.
And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.
My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.
Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.
[QUOTE=ace23]I'm not trying to get some representative sample. Read what this fool wrote:
Yes, I'm the one lying. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
that's the correct use... :facepalm
You're or you are flat out lying.
[QUOTE=Positive]:biggums:
that's the correct use... :facepalm
You're or you are flat out lying.[/QUOTE]
I know it's the correct usage. Catch up, son.
EDIT: Let me fix my post to emphasize my point.
american schools sound ****ed up
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.
And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.
My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.
Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this lol. It's pretty much a joke. However, the only classes where I actually learned was in science classes everything else was pathetic.
Part of the problem is that once teachers get tenure they stop giving a **** and get all lazy. Why teach anything once your job is safe? I literally had teachers who didn't teach shit and the day before the test he'd give us the questions that'd be on the test.
In english classes most of the time we'd read a chapter and answer the questions on it. How does that relate to learning anything about the subject?
In Math we'd basically learn how to use a calculator.
[QUOTE=boozehound]She started teaching in 1978 for $11,250 a year
So, you took a 35 year tenured teacher in the area with the highest cost of living in the country as your representative example. Really?
[URL="http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/"]http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/[/URL]
You will notice there are only about 5 states where the average teacher salary (including ladies like the one in your article) makes over 60k. Your POV is way out of line with reality.[/QUOTE]
Your article only looks at salaries after 10 years of teaching, so 50-60K makes sense. When you get close to/beyond 20 years you should be in the 80-100K range, just like the woman from the article. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=knickballer]Pretty much this lol. It's pretty much a joke. However, the only classes where I actually learned was in science classes everything else was pathetic.
Part of the problem is that once teachers get tenure they stop giving a **** and get all lazy. Why teach anything once your job is safe? I literally had teachers who didn't teach shit and the day before the test he'd give us the questions that'd be on the test.
In english classes most of the time we'd read a chapter and answer the questions on it. How does that relate to learning anything about the subject?
In Math we'd basically learn how to use a calculator.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention a lot of the books you do read are very boring and uninteresting. I'd like to read what I want to read please.
[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]I would love to higher salaries, and merit based evaluation (opposed to seniority)[/quote]
How would you go about that, though? Have an observer sit in every class? They need to overhaul the system, but I don't have the answers.
Some of the classes were just sad. I remember taking Spanish I my senior year and I felt like I was in a 1st grade level class.
[quote=boozehound]Because teachers arent paid enough (or really considered an important job), many of the best potential teachers do not go into the field. Just looking at my HS class through facebook, all of the people who are now teachers were the middling and average kids in the school. None of them expressed a great aptitude or passion for the subject they now teach. Essentially, they went into education because there are jobs in the field. All of the top students from my class and the ones with a passion for a certain subject do something else now (professor, lawyers, doctors, architects, business). So, what do we expect when very few of our best and brightest go on to engage our youth in education.[/quote]I understand the position, but I honestly don't see this as a problem. I don't want our best and brightest chemists teaching high school kids, I want them doing actual chemistry...stuff, for example. Public school teachers aren't exactly teaching even 300 level courses or anything, they don't need to be masters of a field. Would it help? Clearly, but it's not anywhere near necessary or feasible really.
I think it's a helluva lot more important to have an actual interest in educating the unknowing on a general subject than it is to have mastered the subject in regards to k-12 education. I'm sure we all had profs that were insanely learned in a field, published multiple times, well respected, all that jazz, and couldn't teach for shit. It's like the young DeuceWallaces in the video was saying, it's about engaging kids and making them want to learn, that's the hard part, not some basic understanding of covalent bonds or whatever. You coulda been as average a HS student as you want, your education didn't end after 12th grade, but if you do that I'll be happy to send my nonexistent kids to your classroom.
Just the general structure of American education is a major problem as well, but that's a whole other thread and doesn't even have an actual answer since it's pretty community specific.
wow he really articulated himself well. a future politician?
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.
And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.
My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.
Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.[/QUOTE]
AP US History was indeed awesome. Probably my fondest memory of a high school class.
The workload was insane. Study guides, outlines,, consistent quizzes, exams, but my God did we learn a sh!t load.
Dude challenged every belief in the book and had us do these little trials.
Debating FDR's Antics as unconstitutional or not
Debating how much of a nuisance we were to the Redcoats as opposed to a heroic feasible thread
Symbolism with
Whole lotta critical thinking, whole lotta detailed analysis, whole lot of cool stuff.
Thanks for bringing back the memoirs, Hawkster.
The real problem in America and the reason we are turning into a 3rd world nation and will soon be surpassed by China is our culture.
I am not sure when it happened, but at some point we turned into a culture that looks down upon educated people. Hollywood has a huge effect on culture and helped propagate the stereotype of the nerd, especially in the 80s.
Kids put effort into getting good at what gives them gratification. The gratification of education does not occur immediately and combined with the negatives associated with being a "nerd" a lot of American children don't invest the effort and time needed to master harder subjects (STEM subjects).
In other cultures getting high test marks actually increases your popularity and peer acceptance. This is a huge factor in why they will in 20-30 years surpass us.
[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]Did you go to some private or charter school?
Not sure how it is in Texas but i know for a fact no k-12 teacher in California makes anywhere near $80k. Average is like $40k - $50k[/QUOTE]
I think he went to school in Texas, just like me. Unless he went to a real fancy private school there is no way his teachers made 80k a year.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]My mother was and is a teacher...and my grandmother was a math and sunday school teacher for like 40 years.
But that doesnt mean they are underpaid.
Public schools are a joke these days, The extreme vast majority really is babysitting. I learned next to nothing after I left private school and schools have if anything gotten worse since my days.
More kids, more teaching to the test not for knowledge, and kids doing worse.
Being given a massive responsibility doesnt mean you are underpaid even if you arent good at it.
Even if teachers are good...most of the schools are so rigid they cant show it.
Pay a guy 200 thousand...if he has to teach from a text book, hand out work sheets, and teach to a statewide test for weeks at a time the kids still dont come out caring. Some say pay them more and more qualified people take the jobs...but run the numbers. Where is the money to come from? And its not like more education makes one better at teaching. The best teacher I ever had had passion...but he wasnt really that good at math...which he taught. Not like...brilliant. He taught from the book but he was just interesting...fun.
This isnt the 60s with black teachers smuggling books from white schools so little black kids could learn history.
I know teachers. Plural. My ex girlfriend is a second grade teacher. And as I said...my mom is one too.
But it isnt high on the underpaid list.
Ive worked retail. The money these people are used to generate is astounding and they get minimum wage.
I could go teach in high school...tomorrow. My defensive coordinator from football was my math teacher for 2 years. Handed out sheets, read from a book, and passed anyone useful to sports.
It isnt that hard to be an average teacher. Its hard to be a great one.
Most teachers arent doing anything to justify high pay. They possibly could...but not in the system America gives them.[/QUOTE]
I agree with pretty much all of this. Both of my parents have been teachers for about 30 years. I'm actually about to finish up my education degree and plan on teach, although that's partially because I want to coach. But even if I didn't want to coach, I still would've majored in education.
And you touched on this, but the system and school curriculum's do limit what teachers can do, and what levels they can reach as educators. I had great teachers in high school and lazy teachers who gave you a worksheet or packet of worksheets, where all you had to do was follow along in the chapter and the answers were there word-for-word, in order. I got the same grades and probably learned about the same amount in both types of classes. However, that's not to say teachers can't expand on the curriculum and actually make students do some critical thinking work/exercises. Most teachers can almost always make more of an effort. At the very least, make them more excited about your class than their other classes. It may be a more challenging class but can be one you make more interesting/fun than the normal worksheets/packet, read the chapter, take a test class.
As for teachers being underpaid...I never really grew up thinking that. My parents never talked about how much they made. They never complained about their pay. I think between both of them, they make around $100,000 per year, so about $50,000/year each. That's after 30 years and past the point of where they can retire. Of course we're from Arkansas where cost of living is very cheap compared to most other states.
I don't know of any teachers (that just teach) that are making anywhere close to $100K/year in Arkansas. I do know that there are plenty of coaches, though, that make in the $100K neighborhood. Football is a big deal in Northwest Arkansas, and the head coaches at the biggest schoosl (7A) are pulling in 6-figures. We just hired a football coach at my old high school (5A school in the River Valley) and he's making something like $95K/year. Thing is, those people don't even really teach. I know at my school the head football and head basketball coaches had a few P.E. classes, along with their athletic period which was the last period of the day. So, until last period when it was time for practice, they usually just rolled some balls out into the gym and let the kids play dodgeball, basketball, or dick around. Getting paid 6-figures to do jack shit until 2:00, coach for 2-3 hours, and go home. Granted, during the season coaching is a full-time job since you're going to games 2-3 nights a week, and don't get home until 10:00 or later. And I know at smaller schools here it's a lot worse. My dad was a head basketball coach for about 20 years at a 2A school. He also had to coach (assistant) football. My uncle has been the head football coach for nearly 30 years at the same school, and he also has to coach baseball. Which means they basically spend from August to May or October to May staying after school 2-3 hours for practices, and travelling and getting home late 2-3 times a week during the season, and only getting a month or two off in the summer.
I teach PE for Pinellas County Schools in St. Petersburg, FL. Here, the teacher salary tops out at about $63,000.
Currently, the school I'm at is classified as "fundamental," meaning that a certain level of parental involvement is required, and excess infractions by the students can result in their dismissal. It's not a private school, but there is a waiting list to get in, and we typically deal with less behavior problems/parent neglect, than other places.
With that said, I recently found out I'm losing my position due to "redistribution of funds." Basically, there will be fewer PE staff to watch the same number of students, who are all at risk of losing their daily PE. It's terrible.
I am super passionate about what I do, and the money sucks, but the kids are great, I know what I'm doing, and I do my best to teach them new skills. I really hope I find a similar position. It's all really upsetting right now.
I really don't get some of the hate this kid is receiving. Especially when I see people bashing the way he looks or talks...seriously? The most important thing is that this guy wants to learn, how many students in regulars classes with BS teachers really show this kind of passion? I hope this video was seen by as many administrators and principals around the country...who knows maybe it turned some important heads.
Does anyone here agree with me that the kid went over the line and he should be disciplined?
[QUOTE=D-Rose]I really don't get some of the hate this kid is receiving. Especially when I see people bashing the way he looks or talks...seriously? [B]The most important thing is that this guy wants to learn[/B], how many students in regulars classes with BS teachers really show this kind of passion? I hope this video was seen by as many administrators and principals around the country...who knows maybe it turned some important heads.[/QUOTE]
We don't know that. He was expelled before and came back. No way we can make any concrete judgement from just a segment of what happened.
[QUOTE=Chrono90]We don't know that. He was expelled before and came back. No way we can make any concrete judgement from just a segment of what happened.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure there is more context to it. But from watching the video, the kid expresses discontent at learning from packets and from his teacher not getting up and teaching the class. I like that. Although, I agree that perhaps his manner of solving this wasn't the best but he's pretty young so not surprising.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I think he went to school in Texas, just like me. Unless he went to a real fancy private school there is no way his teachers made 80k a year.[/QUOTE]
We have already established that PUBLIC SCHOOl teachers from all over the country can make over 80K a year. My mom is one of them, teaching 2nd grade in Port Jervis, NY (a pretty poor area) and making 81K this year.