ISH Posters and their fixation with a referee conspiracy

[QUOTE=poido123]If the 2002 thing happened, why do you wholeheartedly think fixed games/series are still not happening now? How do you know for sure?[/QUOTE]

I dont know for sure, none of us can definitively say that it is one way or the other without being David Stern or the referees himself. But, you cannot systematically fix games,because it is illegal ([B]Obviously this itself dosnt stop people[/B]) and if this was an ongoing reoccurring phenomenon then it would have been absolutely discovered and brought to the attention of the public. The government and the sporting and anti-corruption control bodies would have known about it. WHY? Because players and referees would have come forward and let it be known that that is the case. Now Tim Donaghy you may say came forward and let it be known, well i hardly take the word of one to be absolute fact he probably has a point on a minute scale but not one the reaches the entire ongoing NBA game scheudal. Plus Donaghy was betting on point spread, this means he was putting money the the score or score differential which its a completely individual thing, its him doing things for his own benefit and not the league. He was fired and went to jail - OF COURSE HE WANTS TO DISCREDIT THE LEAGUE AND DOWNPLAY HIS OWN DISCREPANCIES. If there is match fixing then it means that people are in on it, referees, players, coaches, media etc. If its really true then many people would have said something. People just play join the dots, people want to believe that because they see one thing and their explanation fits that it means its true when it dosnt, people are naturally suspicious but that dosnt make those suspicious warranted. .

Nothing is fixed.

The End.

After the calls at the end of gm4, my eyes automatically censor out everything that implies the ref helping Miami. I'm not going to believe any of it.

[QUOTE=plowking]How f*cking stupid are you that you can't see you're being mocked?

How much of a retard are you that you think this series is rigged? Were our 12 free throws today too much for your over-complaining, whining, bitch made ass? How many did you want us to receive? Less than double digits as a team?
Was it too much for you that we outshot the Pacers from the field, from 3pt land, had less turnovers, more steals, more blocks, more assists, 7 more made field goals?
What calls you incompetent sooky c*nt? Did we really get too many? How about we don't shoot a f*cking free throw next time?

F[COLOR="Black"]ucking[/COLOR] c[COLOR="Black"]unt.[/COLOR] Eat a bag of d!cks you wanker.[/QUOTE]

Pacers had double the foul count for most of the game, I called it before this game started the fix was in. Like the first 4 games mattered, because that's what you and the other Heat f*ggots like to point out :facepalm:

You have analysts pointing out ref bias and something is fishy and I should listen to you a Heat fan? :lol:

Key game 5, 2-2.

Like I know you understand momentum, but you give no credit to it since you only like to point to the stats and say that's what happened after Heat won. I could also point out that, the league has been brought into disrepute before, yet Im crazy to think there is no more fixing in the game? F*ck you stupid ignorant c*nt.

I'd be ashamed to support a team full of flopping, traitorous cheats who are catered for by the league.

[QUOTE=poido123]You actually believe that?

Please tell me you're trolling.. :roll:

While I agree jordan had help at times from the refs, most stars do, he didn't need it.

Leflop James and this big business orientated league, guys are being propped up to be the next Jordan or money making machine like Jordan was, only that the reffing has changed the rules, have changed to cater for the big business stars and teams and you wouldn't dare explain or address the 2002 debacle and explain why this Heat team is any different with the systematic reffing.

Jordan helped by referees? Sure. Rings were fake? Comon man, try getting someone in here to agree with you on ISH :lol: Comon I dare you :roll:[/QUOTE]


Don't pay any attention to PLOWKING, dudes a flat out troll... or just blindly obsessed by his love for the heat or lebron.
Not every game is fixed, but come playoffs, the refs calls do tend to get alot worse and bizarre.
Also there's the inconsistencies. As everyones already pointed out, Nazr and Birdman.
All I know is, In my opinion, I've noticed some calls that appear to be a blatent form of rigging, however, we will not know how much it will effect the out come until this 7 game series is over.

[QUOTE=poido123]Pacers had double the foul count for most of the game, I called it before this game started the fix was in. Like the first 4 games mattered, because that's what you and the other Heat f*ggots like to point out :facepalm:

You have analysts pointing out ref bias and something is fishy and I should listen to you a Heat fan? :lol:

Key game 5, 2-2.

Like I know you understand momentum, but you give no credit to it since you only like to point to the stats and say that's what happened after Heat won. I could also point out that, the league has been brought into disrepute before, yet Im crazy to think there is no more fixing in the game? F*ck you stupid ignorant c*nt.

I'd be ashamed to support a team full of flopping, traitorous cheats who are catered for by the league.[/QUOTE]

I'm ashamed to even watch the nba knowing the face of the league is a mental midget and one of the biggest floppers to play the game for his size and athletic qualities, plus his arrogance. Pfffttt... Given.. not earned.

[QUOTE=Ai2death]I'm ashamed to even watch the nba knowing the face of the league is a mental midget and one of the biggest floppers to play the game for his size and athletic qualities, plus his arrogance. Pfffttt... Given.. not earned.[/QUOTE]

This shit again :coleman:

[QUOTE=Ai2death]I'm ashamed to even watch the nba knowing the face of the league is a mental midget and one of the biggest floppers to play the game for his size and athletic qualities, plus his arrogance. Pfffttt... Given.. not earned.[/QUOTE]
correct.

[QUOTE=poido123]Pacers had double the foul count for most of the game, I called it before this game started the fix was in. Like the first 4 games mattered, because that's what you and the other Heat f*ggots like to point out :facepalm:

You have analysts pointing out ref bias and something is fishy and I should listen to you a Heat fan? :lol:

Key game 5, 2-2.

Like I know you understand momentum, but you give no credit to it since you only like to point to the stats and say that's what happened after Heat won. I could also point out that, the league has been brought into disrepute before, yet Im crazy to think there is no more fixing in the game? F*ck you stupid ignorant c*nt.

I'd be ashamed to support a team full of flopping, traitorous cheats who are catered for by the league.[/QUOTE]

Lebron fouled out at the end of game 4 with an off the ball OFFENSIVE foul after hitting a huge 3. Heat with a chance to tie it or take the lead. Is that momentum?
Calling an offensive foul on Bron again in the 3rd quarter right at the end and having Stephenson nail a 3 pointer to extend the lead as the 3rd quarter ends. Momentum changer?
Paul George receiving 3 free throws on a jumpshot 5 feet behind the 3 point line. Is that a momentum changer?

Key game? Game 5? Its the playoffs, they're all key you knob.

Double the foul count? 19 to 11... All the fouls on their least important players. Hill and Stephenson who played like shit. Who cares about the fouls? So what, they stopped the game and gave the Heat an inbound? Holy shit, rigging... :rolleyes:

You're a wanker, who is being a little sour puss c*nt because you're team is shit, and a team you despise shat on your team. Get over it. Aren't you in your twenties? Move on you wanker.

[QUOTE=Ai2death]I'm ashamed to even watch the nba knowing the face of the league is a mental midget and one of the biggest floppers to play the game for his size and athletic qualities, plus his arrogance. Pfffttt... Given.. not earned.[/QUOTE]

F@ggot.

Simple posts like this is the only way to deal with you idiots.

[QUOTE=ripthekik]correct.[/QUOTE]

your not invited to my thread. :coleman:

[QUOTE=Kews1]your not invited to my thread. :coleman:[/QUOTE]
f your thread.
Refs came through in the beginning of the 3rd to stop pacers from having any run at all. PG got his 4th early. Pacers big men stopped getting calls. It gave an open path to Lebron. Anyone watching would know.

[QUOTE=Ai2death]I'm ashamed to even watch the nba knowing the face of the league is a mental midget and one of the biggest floppers to play the game for his size and athletic qualities, plus his arrogance. Pfffttt... Given.. not earned.[/QUOTE]


He already won a championship while 6'1" Rose is still afraid to return in the NBA. Get the F*ck out of here. LeBron is greater than your favorite NBA Player, and he's not a coward B1tch like Rose.

[QUOTE=ripthekik]f your thread.
Refs came through in the beginning of the 3rd to stop pacers from having any run at all. PG got his 4th early. Pacers big men stopped getting calls. It gave an open path to Lebron. Anyone watching would know.[/QUOTE]

sure sure :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Kews1]I dont know for sure, none of us can definitively say that it is one way or the other without being David Stern or the referees himself. But, you cannot systematically fix games,because it is illegal ([B]Obviously this itself dosnt stop people[/B]) and if this was an ongoing reoccurring phenomenon then it would have been absolutely discovered and brought to the attention of the public. The government and the sporting and anti-corruption control bodies would have known about it. WHY? [B]Because players and referees would have come forward and let it be known that that is the case.[/B] [/QUOTE]
This is naive, idealistic logic from someone who obvious doesn't know how the world really works.

No one directly associated with the NBA -- owners, players or referees -- would benefit from "coming forward" and outing a corrupt system. They're all very comfortable with the way things are now. Money is flowing and everyone is paid.

Plus, while the blatant influencing the outcomes of games is very obvious to just about anyone watching, it would be difficult to prove because of compartmentalization, in that every participant in the corruption is only given a certain amount of information. No one but the head honchos would know the big picture, and the chances of one of them testifying is slim to none.

That's how crime syndicates are able to avoid prosecution, because the bit players can't provide enough evidence to convict the one's in control.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]This is naive, idealistic logic from someone who obvious doesn't know how the world really works.

No one directly associated with the NBA -- owners, players or referees -- would benefit from "coming forward" and outing a corrupt system. They're all very comfortable with the way things are now. Money is flowing and everyone is paid.

Plus, while the blatant influencing the outcomes of games is very obvious to just about anyone watching, it would be difficult to prove because of compartmentalization, in that every participant in the corruption is only given a certain amount of information. No one but the head honchos would know the big picture, and the chances of one of them testifying is slim to none.

That's how crime syndicates are able to avoid prosecution, because the bit players can't provide enough evidence to convict the one's in control.[/QUOTE]

Its not naive, your just automatically assuming the worst, you work you way backwards into a system of trying to prove its happening when the logical starting point is that it is not happening. Calling somebody naive because you try to push an agenda of "the world is a mean place" is just bullshit. Trying to push agenda of you dont understand the realities so im going to try and make you seem out of touch with reality. Dont be so foolishly predictable.

And no there are owners who would not just sit back and accept dirty practices. For instance the teams which are really in it to win and the team's who lose money. You think the teams who lose money would be willing to be pawns in a system where the teams with the biggest following have the scales tilted in their favor which in turn leads to them losing money? And what about the players who are screwed out of a chance to win. It isnt a system that benefit's everyone your wrong and its wrong to put that out and assume that.

[QUOTE=plowking][B]Lebron fouled out at the end of game 4 with an off the ball OFFENSIVE foul after hitting a huge 3. Heat with a chance to tie it or take the lead. Is that momentum? [/B]

Heat were up 2-1. Smokescreen to make you believe like the series is not rigged. Irrelevant.

[B]Calling an offensive foul on Bron again in the 3rd quarter right at the end and having Stephenson nail a 3 pointer to extend the lead as the 3rd quarter ends. Momentum changer? [/B]

You're totally ignoring the point I'm making, the series going 6 games is what the league wanted. Now they want Heat through.


[B]Paul George receiving 3 free throws on a jumpshot 5 feet behind the 3 point line. Is that a momentum changer?

[B]Key game? Game 5? Its the playoffs, they're all key you knob.[/B]
[/B]
Not really, if the refs are on your side, the first 4 means little.



Double the foul count? 19 to 11... All the fouls on their least important players. Hill and Stephenson who played like shit. Who cares about the fouls? So what, they stopped the game and gave the Heat an inbound? Holy shit, rigging... :rolleyes:

[B]You're a wanker, who is being a little sour puss c*nt because you're team is shit, and a team you despise shat on your team. Get over it. Aren't you in your twenties? Move on you wanker.[/QUOTE]
[/B]

A f*ggot Heat fan who will do anything to deflect from a valid point. Your boy Lequeen is the biggest bitch-made star the league has seen.

Comon Lequeen, flop some more, go on, its good for the team :facepalm:

[QUOTE=poido123][/B]

A f*ggot Heat fan who will do anything to deflect from a valid point. Your boy Lequeen is the biggest bitch-made star the league has seen.

Comon Lequeen, flop some more, go on, its good for the team :facepalm:[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I'll just enjoy the win.


F@ggot.

[QUOTE=Kews1]Its not naive, [B]your just automatically assuming the worst, you work you way backwards into a system of trying to prove its happening when the logical starting point is that it is not happening[/B]. Calling somebody naive because you try to push an agenda of "the world is a mean place" is just bullshit. Trying to push agenda of you dont understand the realities so im going to try and make you seem out of touch with reality. Dont be so foolishly predictable.

And no there are owners who would not just sit back and accept dirty practices. For instance the teams which are really in it to win and the team's who lose money. You think the teams who lose money would be willing to be pawns in a system where the teams with the biggest following have the scales tilted in their favor which in turn leads to them losing money? And what about the players who are screwed out of a chance to win. It isnt a system that benefit's everyone your wrong and its wrong to put that out and assume that.[/QUOTE]
Obviously, you don't realize it, and won't acknowledge it, but virtually everything you just posted is incorrect.

I'm not pushing an "agenda", I'm watching the evidence right in front of my eyes. The widespread allegations of crooked NBA refs didn't just spring up overnight.

NFL and baseball refs make boneheaded mistakes on occasion, but there is no general consensus of an organized conspiracy, as there definitely is with the NBA. Why is that?

As inept a commissioner as Goodell is, I firmly believe he would immediately take steps to correct even the appearance of game influencing by refs. Stern has not done so for over three decades. What does that tell you?

The owners enjoy revenue sharing, and other such benefits, and will do nothing to change the current system.

Whether you choose to face up to it, or not, there are obvious, glaring problems with NBA officiating and nothing is being done to correct them.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]He already won a championship while 6'1" Rose is still afraid to return in the NBA. Get the F*ck out of here. LeBron is greater than your favorite NBA Player, and he's not a coward B1tch like Rose.[/QUOTE]

Won? I think you mean gift wrapped..

And as for Rose being my favorite player? His not, but one thing he is, is more man then LeBitch.
You would never see Rose leave his team to team up with 2 other all stars to ring chase. He'd make players come to him.

You're excused for your dillusion cause I know once the heat is no longer the top team, you won't be a fan of theirs any longer.

Yeah some facts that people need to understand:

1. Stern actually doesn't have that much control over the refs. They have their own union and it's really hard for Stern to fine of suspend anyone. Senior refs have the most power. They're actually secretly fined and suspended, all without interference from the league.

2. Most people who complain don't even know the very rules they're complaining about. Just go into any thread about something as simple as traveling and you'll get 20 different versions of what traveling is.

3. Refs aren't there to make every call. They're there to specifically see if one player or team is breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage. Their goal is to police these rules while affecting the flow of the game as little as possible. Their mantra is game control and it's very fluid. A certain amount of contact earlier in the game might be let go, but if the game gets really physical and guys are starting to get out of control, that same amount of contact becomes a foul. Everything is context based.

4. Donaghy, an admitted dirty ref, never fixed the outcome of games, only random prop bets. Which may have influenced the outcome, but his shenanigans were never directed at the outcome. Furthermore, in his tell all book he never mentions the league telling him how to officiate games. He has no reason to cover up game fixing in the league, yet the best he can come up with is a senior ref saying "well we know who the league wants to win, yuk yuk." and refs being told which fouls to look out for. Some think that's shady but every game gets reviewed after it's over and the next crew is told to look out for anything specific. Like if X team is starting to use lots of moving screens, the next crew might get a note to watch for moving screens. A vast majority of these notes come from fellow refs, but on few occasions they come from the league office. This is probably the most influence the league has over the refs.

5. anything can be made to look like a conspiracy after the fact. It's possible this year that we may end up with a Pacers Spurs finals, which will probably be the lowest viewed finals of all time. Yet I'm sure if that happens, people can invent reasons why it makes sense. I've seen some convoluted scenarios detailing every single one of the Spurs titles, despite the drastically low ratings their games bring.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Yeah some facts that people need to understand:

1. Stern actually doesn't have that much control over the refs. [/QUOTE]
Stopped reading right there.

Are you some kind of NBA troll paid to convince gullible people that nothing is wrong with the current refereeing system?

If you don't understand that Dictator Stern is in complete control of everything that happens in the league, then you don't understand anything at all.

[QUOTE=plowking]Exactly. I'll just enjoy the win.


F@ggot.[/QUOTE]


Cheating scum. Your fanbase are the worst on here and that's not just me sayin that.

I put an asterisk on anything the Heat have done since Lequeen quit on the Cavs and straight into an armchair ride...

You should know better. I think it would be better for you guys if you just openly admitted to what everyone else sees and get off the Heat's nuts for a while.

Lebron openly admitting flopping(cheating), exposed refs and fixed series games(tim donaghy 2002) are just proof of what I have been saying and making you look really stupid for calling me dumb :facepalm: *****t.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Stopped reading right there.

Are you some kind of NBA troll paid to convince gullible people that nothing is wrong with the current refereeing system?

If you don't understand that Dictator Stern is in complete control of everything that happens in the league, then you don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]

Its common that referees and the control organisation are kept separate for the exact reason that they cant manipulate things :facepalm

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Yeah some facts that people need to understand:

1. Stern actually doesn't have that much control over the refs. They have their own union and it's really hard for Stern to fine of suspend anyone. [B]Senior refs have the most power. [/B] They're actually secretly fined and suspended, all without interference from the league.

[B]I don't know what's worse.

They also may be known to be "company men"
[/B]
2. Most people who complain don't even know the very rules they're complaining about. Just go into any thread about something as simple as traveling and you'll get 20 different versions of what traveling is.

[B]I think you're refering to the travelling incident of Wade. For anyone who has seen that, it is difficult to determine one way or another, but according to some known refs, it wasn't a travel.[/B]

3. Refs aren't there to make every call. They're there to specifically see if one player or team is breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage. Their goal is to police these rules while affecting the flow of the game as little as possible. [B] Their mantra is game control and it's very fluid. A certain amount of contact earlier in the game might be let go, but if the game gets really physical and guys are starting to get out of control, that same amount of contact becomes a foul. Everything is context based.[/B]

[B]Ok, this is the key point and that is why reffing can influence a result. If you can control a game's physicality by calling a game more closely, then that means the refs can control when and what time of a game to influence the momentum of a game. So really, this point only highlights what I've been saying.[/B]

4. Donaghy, an admitted dirty ref, never fixed the outcome of games, only random prop bets. Which may have influenced the outcome, but his shenanigans were never directed at the outcome. [B] Furthermore, in his tell all book he never mentions the league telling him how to officiate games. He has no reason to cover up game fixing in the league, yet the best he can come up with is a senior ref saying "well we know who the league wants to win, yuk yuk." and refs being told which fouls to look out for[/B]. Some think that's shady but every game gets reviewed after it's over and the next crew is told to look out for anything specific. Like if X team is starting to use lots of moving screens, the next crew might get a note to watch for moving screens. A vast majority of these notes come from fellow refs, but on few occasions they come from the league office. This is probably the most influence the league has over the refs.

[B]Not true.

[url]http://lakernation.com/ex-referee-tim-donaghy-claims-nba-is-fixed-to-feds/?w3tc_preview=1[/url]

This was from one of his trials, but interesting to read.
[/B]

5. anything can be made to look like a conspiracy after the fact. [B]It's possible this year that we may end up with a Pacers Spurs finals[/B], which will probably be the lowest viewed finals of all time. Yet I'm sure if that happens, people can invent reasons why it makes sense. I've seen some convoluted scenarios detailing every single one of the Spurs titles, despite the drastically low ratings their games bring.[/QUOTE]

[B]Well no, neither of those teams have the marketability or superstar fandom like the Heat?

The Spurs one would be dumb, they are hardly anything like the Heat as an example :facepalm:[/B]

You know what we should do as posters who believe the league is corrupt? We should continue watching the NBA games that we believe are rigged and dedicate our time to posting and talking about NBA topics.


That'll show David Stern and all the owners of the league.

[QUOTE=Kews1]Its common that referees and the control organisation are kept separate for the exact reason that they cant manipulate things :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:roll:

You keep coming out with these "how it should be" comments that clearly don't deal with reality.

It should be "common" for sports officials and the controlling organization to be kept separate, but it doesn't always work out that way. In this case, it definitely doesn't.

Maybe you'll understand more when you move out of mom's basement and find out how life really works.

[QUOTE=poido123]Cheating scum. Your fanbase are the worst on here and that's not just me sayin that.

I put an asterisk on anything the Heat have done since Lequeen quit on the Cavs and straight into an armchair ride...

You should know better. I think it would be better for you guys if you just openly admitted to what everyone else sees and get off the Heat's nuts for a while.

Lebron openly admitting flopping(cheating), exposed refs and fixed series games(tim donaghy 2002) are just proof of what I have been saying and making you look really stupid for calling me dumb :facepalm: *****t.[/QUOTE]
da fuq is wrong with this guy? :wtf:

does he actually think game 5 was rigged? what an idiot :lol

[QUOTE=pedo123]Cheating scum. Your fanbase are the worst on here and that's not just me sayin that.

I put an asterisk on anything the Heat have done since Lequeen quit on the Cavs and straight into an armchair ride...

You should know better. I think it would be better for you guys if you just openly admitted to what everyone else sees and get off the Heat's nuts for a while.

Lebron openly admitting flopping(cheating), exposed refs and fixed series games(tim donaghy 2002) are just proof of what I have been saying and making you look really stupid for calling me dumb :facepalm: *****t.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you? i always see you randomly appear out of nowhere and start bitching like a little kid any time a call favors the Heat, but when it's the other way around, you're nowhere to be seen.

[QUOTE=poido123]Pacers had double the foul count for most of the game, I called it before this game started the fix was in. Like the first 4 games mattered, because that's what you and the other Heat f*ggots like to point out :facepalm:

You have analysts pointing out ref bias and something is fishy and I should listen to you a Heat fan? :lol:

Key game 5, 2-2.

Like I know you understand momentum, but you give no credit to it since you only like to point to the stats and say that's what happened after Heat won. I could also point out that, the league has been brought into disrepute before, yet Im crazy to think there is no more fixing in the game? F*ck you stupid ignorant c*nt.

I'd be ashamed to support a team full of flopping, traitorous cheats who are catered for by the league.[/QUOTE]

You support the league though, even though you claim rampant cheating? You're more of a fool than anyone else then.:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Obviously, you don't realize it, and won't acknowledge it, but virtually everything you just posted is incorrect.

I'm not pushing an "agenda", I'm watching the evidence right in front of my eyes. The widespread allegations of crooked NBA refs didn't just spring up overnight.

NFL and baseball refs make boneheaded mistakes on occasion, but there is no general consensus of an organized conspiracy, as there definitely is with the NBA. Why is that?

As inept a commissioner as Goodell is, I firmly believe he would immediately take steps to correct even the appearance of game influencing by refs. Stern has not done so for over three decades. What does that tell you?

The owners enjoy revenue sharing, and other such benefits, and will do nothing to change the current system.

Whether you choose to face up to it, or not, there are obvious, glaring problems with NBA officiating and nothing is being done to correct them.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely correct. In fact more has been done to protect the mirage. "Don't dare say anything about my referees". "I know where the bodies are buried". This is the most corrupt commissioner the sports world has ever seen.

[QUOTE=poido123]Cheating scum. Your fanbase are the worst on here and that's not just me sayin that.

I put an asterisk on anything the Heat have done since Lequeen quit on the Cavs and straight into an armchair ride...

You should know better. I think it would be better for you guys if you just openly admitted to what everyone else sees and get off the Heat's nuts for a while.

Lebron openly admitting flopping(cheating), exposed refs and fixed series games(tim donaghy 2002) are just proof of what I have been saying and making you look really stupid for calling me dumb :facepalm: *****t.[/QUOTE]

You're easily becoming one of the worst posters here. Calm the fvck down.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Stopped reading right there.

Are you some kind of NBA troll paid to convince gullible people that nothing is wrong with the current refereeing system?

If you don't understand that Dictator Stern is in complete control of everything that happens in the league, then you don't understand anything at all.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong. When the NBA fined a ref publicly the union threw a fit and fought to have it drastically reduced. Also I never said there was nothing wrong. A big part of the reason why things are bad is because the refs have to much autonomy and profess to be self policing. Every time the NBA publicly states a ref got the call wrong after a game it's a shot at the refs. The refs desperately want to keep the feeling of authority over the players, at least that's why they say they need to keep their fines internal. Multi millionaires naturally don't want to listen to someone who gets paid like 90k a year.

The ones bitching that it's a conspiracy are mainly comprised of a bunch of whiny Knicks, Bulls, and Kobe-stan retards. Knicks/Bulls tards are still salty over Lebron spurning them for Miami and basically bitch about "cHeat" and "superteams" when they themselves basically wouldn't hesitate to demand that their team's GM do the same thing if they had the cap space. Kobe-tards live their lives revolving around hoping Lebron's resume doesn't supersede Kobe's.

[QUOTE=plowking]How f*cking stupid are you that you can't see you're being mocked?

How much of a retard are you that you think this series is rigged? Were our 12 free throws today too much for your over-complaining, whining, bitch made ass? How many did you want us to receive? Less than double digits as a team?
Was it too much for you that we outshot the Pacers from the field, from 3pt land, had less turnovers, more steals, more blocks, more assists, 7 more made field goals?
What calls you incompetent sooky c*nt? Did we really get too many? How about we don't shoot a f*cking free throw next time?

F[COLOR="Black"]ucking[/COLOR] c[COLOR="Black"]unt.[/COLOR] Eat a bag of d!cks you wanker.[/QUOTE]
Let's not act like you don't whine [B]hard[/B] about the refs whenever the Heat lose

[QUOTE=monkeypox]You're wrong. [B]When the NBA fined a ref publicly the union threw a fit and fought to have it drastically reduced[/B]. Also I never said there was nothing wrong. A big part of the reason why things are bad is because the refs have to much autonomy and profess to be self policing. Every time the NBA publicly states a ref got the call wrong after a game it's a shot at the refs. The refs desperately want to keep the feeling of authority over the players, at least that's why they say they need to keep their fines internal. Multi millionaires naturally don't want to listen to someone who gets paid like 90k a year.[/QUOTE]
So, the union threw a fit? :oldlol: That doesn't have a thing to do with the fact that Stern controls all. Every point made in your post couldn't be more wrong.

But I'll play the devil's advocate -- say Stern isn't in total control. Are you going to tell me that a group of lower-level employees (the refs) independently made the decision to blatantly influence any number of high profile games? You're saying that obviously favoring one team over the other is all the refs idea?

First of all, if this was the case, and it was against Stern's interests, he would be looking at a bunch of out-of-control employees who were making the league look bad. It would be well within Stern's power to immediately remedy the situation. That hasn't happened, so what does that tell you?

More to the point, a group low-level employees would never dare to pull the things they have without knowing they have support at the highest levels. Otherwise, it would be a recipe for getting fired -- quickly.

So, on every level, what you've posted makes zero sense.

I never base judgement of a ref on a replay... video evidence is always easier than real-time in determining the outcome of a play.

All I ask for a ref is that they do a better job than I do when calling plays while I watch the game on my 19" tv (24 sec violation, ball off Lebron's thigh in last night's game, easy plays like that).

Secondly, I want some consistency. Was Lebron's offensive-foul-pick an illegal screen? Yes, it was. But so are 95% of the screens set!! Either don't call the one against Lebron, or call ALL of them.

And lastly, don't necessitate flopping. Nazr got tossed because Lebron fell when he was pushed. Birdman got a tech but, as the announcers were saying, if T had fallen (flopped) down, then Bird probably would have been tossed. It's disgusting that that is hypothetical truth. Don't rely on outcome to dictate punishment, rely on action.

As an aside.... the rules for technical fouls should be changed.
-- First technical foul and the player is taken out of the game. They may substitute in at the next dead ball (if Lebron gets a tech, his coach would likely be willing to burn a TO to get him back in instantly. If Birdman does... maybe not so much. But either way, this provides real punishment beyond the FT)

-- Second technical and player is tossed and fined appropriately (% of income, as opposed to flat rate).

-- Double technical results in both teams shooting. It will slow the game down ever so slightly (not enough 2xT to really affect the time of game, though) but gives an obvious benefit to the player/team that actually works on FT shooting, which is a skill.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]:roll:

You keep coming out with these "how it should be" comments that clearly don't deal with reality.

It should be "common" for sports officials and the controlling organization to be kept separate, but it doesn't always work out that way. In this case, it definitely doesn't.

Maybe you'll understand more when you move out of mom's basement and find out how life really works.[/QUOTE]

Seriously your such a fool. :facepalm

The part that both amuses and amazes me is that the people who cry conspiracy and fix the loudest avidly watch the games.

If they truly believe that it's fixed and still watch, they're the equivalent of WWE fans. Actually, the youngest WWE fans don't think it's fixed, so the NBA conspiracy nuts are worse.

[QUOTE=poido123]Cheating scum. Your fanbase are the worst on here and that's not just me sayin that.

I put an asterisk on anything the Heat have done since Lequeen quit on the Cavs and straight into an armchair ride...

You should know better. I think it would be better for you guys if you just openly admitted to what everyone else sees and get off the Heat's nuts for a while.

Lebron openly admitting flopping(cheating), exposed refs and fixed series games(tim donaghy 2002) are just proof of what I have been saying and making you look really stupid for calling me dumb :facepalm: *****t.[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ, you bitch about LeBron and the Heat everyday. Get a life dude.