We going to act like Wade didn't almost cost the Heat the game?

Well, all I'm saying is that Parker was one shot from another player away from being considered the hero of the series.
I agree that he's been pretty mediocre for his standards if you look at the games as a whole, but that's how people would've looked at it. For instance, people tend to forget that Jordan shot horribly in some of his most famous games.
I think that illustrates the role of luck in championship series like this one.

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Well, all I'm saying is that Parker was one shot from another player away from being considered the hero of the series.
I agree that he's been pretty mediocre for his standards if you look at the games as a whole, but that's how people would've looked at it. For instance, people tend to forget that Jordan shot horribly in some of his most famous games.
I think that illustrates the role of luck in championship series like this one.[/QUOTE]

Of course. But that is more the narrative than reality. Just like Kobe in game 7 of 10 or even Dirk to an extent in game 6 in 11. They just weren't good...and would have been rightfully ripped if they had lost.

But they didn't lose. Parker did. So he doesn't have the "luck" benefit or whatever you spoke of.

He was bad last night and has just been average at best this series overall.

[QUOTE=f0und]Spo rode the Miller wave til it ran out. Before he took Miller out, they had not scored on consecutive possessions and the Spurs had stopped the bleeding. Wade didnt stop the run. It had already stopped. Was as good as time as any to bring him back in.[/QUOTE]
Obviously this.

Wade is in a perfect position basically immune from mass criticism.

Plays crap - injured, LeBron too ball dominant, not getting into rhythm

Plays well - heart of a champion, tough mentally with the injury, alpha dog

If he gets credit for playing well, he must get blamed for playing badly. And he was terrible offensively last night. Even if he isn't dominating the ball, 14 points on 40% shooting. Are you kidding me Wade?

I found it amusing when people were crying he should be the 'man' after his game 4 explosion. He just cannot sustain that level anymore and is too inconsistent.

Of course, there's always the chance he explodes in game 7. But you ride with the ball in LeBron's hand until the end. Limit Wade's minutes if it is hurting LeBron, in all honesty.

he kept doing these dumb stepback jumpers

[QUOTE=DMAVS41] He's been pretty bad and was awful last night. Kobe-esque 6-23 in the biggest game of the year? [/QUOTE]
How is that Kobe-esque?

Kobe's last Championship run:

29 PPG
6 RPG
6 APG
2 SPG
57% TS
116 ORTG

****ing idiot.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]How is that Kobe-esque?

Kobe's last Championship run:

29 PPG
6 RPG
6 APG
2 SPG
57% TS
116 ORTG

****ing idiot.[/QUOTE]

6-24 in the finals.

Gets intentionally fouled 3 times and is gifted 6 more points.

Steals rebounds from Gasoft to pad his stats.

I saw that finals game.

Kobe almost lost it for the Lakers.

[QUOTE=Andrei89]6-24 in the finals.

Gets intentionally fouled 3 times and is gifted 6 more points.

Steals rebounds from Gasoft to pad his stats.

I saw that finals game.

Kobe almost lost it for the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
23 pts/15 rebs and was the best player by thousands of miles through the first 6 games. 29/6/6/2/57% TS for the entire playoffs. lol @ just looking a one game.

****ing idiots. EVERYBODY struggled with their shot in that game 7.

lol @ what Parker did last night being "Kobe-esque".

Morons.

:roll:

As for Wade, he's having the worst post-season for any so-called "superstar" in history. Not only does he have terrible numbers (15/5/4), not only has his efficiency been historically bad (50% TS), but he's also destroying the Heat spacing.

The sample size on these mind-blowing stats from Hardwood Paroxysm writer Jared Dubin is small. But the point is clear, the Heat are way, way better with Wade on the bench right now:

Miami had an offensive efficiency of 92.0 with both LeBron and Wade on the court in Game 6.
Miami had an offensive efficiency of 143.3 with LeBron on the court and Wade on the bench in Game 6.
For the entire series, Miami has an offensive efficiency of 100.8 and a defensive efficiency of 112.7 with both LeBron and Wade on the court.
For the entire series, Miami has an offensive efficiency of 131.7 and a defensive efficiency of 89.5 with LeBron on the court and Wade on the bench.

Basically, the Heat are terrible when Wade and LeBron play together, and unstoppable when Wade is on the bench.

Spoelstra benched Wade for the majority of the fourth quarter in Game 6. During that time, the Heat turned a 10-point deficit into a 2-point lead. When Wade came back, San Antonio went on a run that nearly won them the title.

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/dwyane-wade-nba-finals-stats-2013-6[/url]

What a joke this clown is. Top 3 SG All-Time? Better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=305Baller]Both Wade and Bron had terrible possessions late. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
This. Wade and LeBron were awful in the last 3 minutes of the 4th.

Bosh and Allen, along with the Spurs failures, saved the Heat.

Tell me a bad play by wade late in the 4th.

He didn't have a bad play because he didn't have any play, he was just there being useless again in the lebron ball.

Lebron missed everything he tryed except that three from an offensive rebound.

Don't try to blame wade for lebron having an awful late game and being bailed out by ray allen.

Wade sucks. Lebron is carrying this bum for another ring.

the two white guys :bowdown: :applause: :rockon:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]How is that Kobe-esque?

Kobe's last Championship run:

29 PPG
6 RPG
6 APG
2 SPG
57% TS
116 ORTG

****ing idiot.[/QUOTE]

Shut the **** up. Seriously. 6-23 vs 6-24...all I was saying. And if Kobe gets killed for a game like that...in which he was better than Parker last night.

Why does Parker not get killed if Parker is supposedly a superstar? Which makes me believe that nobody actually thinks he's a superstar.

But please come off it. Kobe shot 6-24 in one of the biggest games of his career. It happened. He was awful...and got very lucky that his team was good enough to win the game.

Could say the same thing about my favorite player in game 6 in 2011. Dirk was atrocious in the first half going 1-12 and was extremely lucky his teammates stepped up.

But seriously...STFU...so sick of Kobe fans acting like we can't reference a 6-23 game to a 6-24 game because grabbed some ****ing rebounds. He was awful and choked under the pressure. Simple as that.

I guess every time Lebron grabs between 12-15 rebounds it's a good game no matter what else he does. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Wade is too busy worried about how tight his pants is gunna fit his crotch area for the post game to be 100% involved in the game.

Miami needs to start shopping him around.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :roll:

[QUOTE=Frozen1]Tell me a bad play by wade late in the 4th.

He didn't have a bad play because he didn't have any play, he was just there being useless again in the lebron ball.

Lebron missed everything he tryed except that three from an offensive rebound.

Don't try to blame wade for lebron having an awful late game and being bailed out by ray allen.[/QUOTE]



Miami went on a huge run in the 4th with Wade on the bench. When he came back in the game with under 4 minutes left. Sure enough the Spurs went on a run and were up 5 with 30 seconds left.

Wade is a shooting guard who can't shoot. Lebron had 19 in the 4th quarter so you can stop pretending he was missing everything.

[QUOTE=tontoz]Miami went on a huge run in the 4th with Wade on the bench. When he came back in the game with under 4 minutes left. Sure enough the Spurs went on a run and were up 5 with 30 seconds left.

Wade is a shooting guard who can't shoot. Lebron had 19 in the 4th quarter so you can stop pretending he was missing everything.[/QUOTE]

I guess you didn't understand well my phrase. I never said he didn't show up in the 4th, i said he missed everything late in the game.

[QUOTE=Frozen1]I guess you didn't understand well my phrase. I never said he didn't show up in the 4th, i said he missed everything late in the game.[/QUOTE]


Pretty sure that the 4th quarter is late in the game since it is the last quarter. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=tontoz]Pretty sure that the 4th quarter is late in the game since it is the last quarter. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Ok, late in the 4th quarter.

:wtf: [QUOTE=DMAVS41]Shut the **** up. Seriously. 6-23 vs 6-24...all I was saying. And if Kobe gets killed for a game like that...in which he was better than Parker last night.

Why does Parker not get killed if Parker is supposedly a superstar? Which makes me believe that nobody actually thinks he's a superstar.

But please come off it. Kobe shot 6-24 in one of the biggest games of his career. It happened. He was awful...and got very lucky that his team was good enough to win the game.

Could say the same thing about my favorite player in game 6 in 2011. Dirk was atrocious in the first half going 1-12 and was extremely lucky his teammates stepped up.

But seriously...STFU...so sick of Kobe fans acting like we can't reference a 6-23 game to a 6-24 game because grabbed some ****ing rebounds. He was awful and choked under the pressure. Simple as that.

I guess every time Lebron grabs between 12-15 rebounds it's a good game no matter what else he does. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Totally different circumstances.. Tony actually had teammates that were playing extremely well. Duncan was unstoppable and shot like 70 percent from the field. Kawhi was playing great.. His team scored 95 points in regulation.

Off the top of my head the score of that laker game was 81-78? Whatever it was it was way way lower scoring. Pau shot 33 percent and was awful offensively. All of the Boston stars shot like shit.. Pierce pretty sure allen was like 0-7 from three. That game was a brick fest on both sides mostly because of the grind it out halfcourt style of ball that was being played.

Comparing that game to Bron? Sure call it a bad game. Because both are held to a higher standard and are expected to contribute in other ways even if their shots are off. Comparing it to Parker? A guy who was subbed out on defensive plays in the final minutes and a guy who rebounds poorly.. He made a negative impact on both sides of the court aside from his two clutch shots. Kobe still played great D and rebounded extremely well in a game that was all about defense and rebounding since BOTH teams were bricking everything. Gotta look at the context of both games. They couldn't be more different.

[QUOTE=Frozen1]Tell me a bad play by wade late in the 4th.

He didn't have a bad play because he didn't have any play, he was just there being useless again in the lebron ball.

Lebron missed everything he tryed except [B]that three from an offensive rebound.[/B]

Don't try to blame wade for lebron having an awful late game and being bailed out by ray allen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, not like that three was important or something.

Hilarious, how can anyone even try to defend Wade's offensive performance last night?

Dude bricked a turnaround jumper when he came into the game 3 mins left in the 4th, made two FTs (:applause:), did NOTHING the rest of the fourth, had a boneheaded turnover in OT and missed another jumpshot.

14 points on 6/15 shooting in an elimination game? You gonna blame that on LeBron too? :lol

[QUOTE=Ancient Legend]For some reason LeBron stopped being aggressive after Wade came in, and they had one less three point shooter with Miller out. It messed up the chemistry they were having.[/QUOTE]

The reason was because Wade screws up their spacing. Wade and Lebron are actually very bad fits together. Wade should come off of the bench. Miami would be a much better team. Though in reality they should trade Wade.

[QUOTE=tpols]:wtf:
Totally different circumstances.. Tony actually had teammates that were playing extremely well. Duncan was unstoppable and shot like 70 percent from the field. Kawhi was playing great.. His team scored 95 points in regulation.

Off the top of my head the score of that laker game was 81-78? Whatever it was it was way way lower scoring. Pau shot 33 percent and was awful offensively. All of the Boston stars shot like shit.. Pierce pretty sure allen was like 0-7 from three. That game was a brick fest on both sides mostly because of the grind it out halfcourt style of ball that was being played.

Comparing that game to Bron? Sure call it a bad game. Because both are held to a higher standard and are expected to contribute in other ways even if their shots are off. Comparing it to Parker? A guy who was subbed out on defensive plays in the final minutes and a guy who rebounds poorly.. He made a negative impact on both sides of the court aside from his two clutch shots. Kobe still played great D and rebounded extremely well in a game that was all about defense and rebounding since BOTH teams were bricking everything. Gotta look at the context of both games. They couldn't be more different.[/QUOTE]

Did you even read my post?

I talked solely about the shooting. I compared 6-23 to 6-24. I even said Kobe played better. Which he did. That is all I said.

I then got a response about Kobe's playoff run in 2010...ROFL

Please read my posts before you respond tpols...

Also find it funny you aren't repping Parker like you were just a few days ago...

[QUOTE=secund2nun]The reason was because Wade screws up their spacing. Wade and Lebron are actually very bad fits together. Wade should come off of the bench. Miami would be a much better team. Though in reality they should trade Wade.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Miami shouldn't do shit. Considering they've gone to three straight Finals, had the best record in the league, won 27 straight games, and is a game away from potentially winning back to back titles with this very formula . :facepalm

[QUOTE=Jacks3]23 pts/15 rebs and was the best player by thousands of miles through the first 6 games. 29/6/6/2/57% TS for the entire playoffs. lol @ just looking a one game.

****ing idiots. EVERYBODY struggled with their shot in that game 7.

lol @ what Parker did last night being "Kobe-esque".

Morons.

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Gasol was the real 2010 finals mvp and carried Kobe. It's okay just accept it.

[QUOTE=PJR]Actually, Miami shouldn't do shit. Considering they've gone to three straight Finals, had the best record in the league, won 27 straight games, and is a game away from potentially winning back to back titles with this very formula . :facepalm[/QUOTE]

They have done all of that despite Wade and Lebron fitting together terribly and Wade being lazy and having his midrange game disappear and play like trash for large parts of the last 2 playoff runs. Heat would be a million times better if they traded Wade for just a merely good center, not even a great one.

[QUOTE=secund2nun]Gasol was the real 2010 finals mvp and carried Kobe. It's okay just accept it.[/QUOTE]

He keeps going on about the rest of the series as if it's relevant.

Are we really going to pretend that when a player goes 6-23 or 6-24 or 6-25 in a big game in the finals...that the first thing we all think of isn't Kobe?

Of course it is. 6-24 is a real thing...it happened. So when another player shoots 6 of something around 24...we all think of Kobe in that game 7.

Hence Kobe-esque....

[QUOTE=Jacks3]As for Wade, he's having the worst post-season for any so-called "superstar" in history. Not only does he have terrible numbers (15/5/4), not only has his efficiency been historically bad (50% TS), but he's also destroying the Heat spacing.

The sample size on these mind-blowing stats from Hardwood Paroxysm writer Jared Dubin is small. But the point is clear, the Heat are way, way better with Wade on the bench right now:

Miami had an offensive efficiency of 92.0 with both LeBron and Wade on the court in Game 6.
Miami had an offensive efficiency of 143.3 with LeBron on the court and Wade on the bench in Game 6.
For the entire series, Miami has an offensive efficiency of 100.8 and a defensive efficiency of 112.7 with both LeBron and Wade on the court.
For the entire series, Miami has an offensive efficiency of 131.7 and a defensive efficiency of 89.5 with LeBron on the court and Wade on the bench.

Basically, the Heat are terrible when Wade and LeBron play together, and unstoppable when Wade is on the bench.

Spoelstra benched Wade for the majority of the fourth quarter in Game 6. During that time, the Heat turned a 10-point deficit into a 2-point lead. When Wade came back, San Antonio went on a run that nearly won them the title.

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/dwyane-wade-nba-finals-stats-2013-6[/url]

What a joke this clown is. Top 3 SG All-Time? Better than Kobe?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

So you're discrediting his entire career beacuse of one sub-par, injured postseason run? And who said he's better than Kobe? Sounds to me like you're the clown. Nobody will care about his struggles if the Heat win game 7, especially if he has a big game (and I believe he will). It's no secret that LeBron and Wade are redundant, but when Wade was healthy this year they were dyamic on the court together. Plus the Heat are MUCH better defensiely when Wade is on the floor.

Ginobili and Wade are both washed-up. This is not debatable.

[QUOTE=secund2nun]They have done all of that despite Wade and Lebron fitting together terribly and Wade being lazy and having his midrange game disappear and play [B]like trash for large parts of the last 2 playoff runs.[/B] Heat would be a million times better if they traded Wade for just a merely good center, not even a great one.[/QUOTE]

Garbage.

Last years postseason, The James and Wade pairing outscored opponents by 178 (12.4 per 48 minutes), compared with plus-7.3 And no two players on any team had a better plus/minus postseason number than James and Wade. Conversely, when James was playing without Wade, the Heat were minus 15 in 165 minutes. And when Wade is playing without James, the Heat is minus 32 in 99 minutes. Let's not get in the way of facts here. :facepalm

Its kind of pathetic Lebron can only play good if he has all shooters on the floor im pretty sure all time great players could play in any system and still be dominant.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]He keeps going on about the rest of the series as if it's relevant.

Are we really going to pretend that when a player goes 6-23 or 6-24 or 6-25 in a big game in the finals...that the first thing we all think of isn't Kobe?

Of course it is. 6-24 is a real thing...it happened. So when another player shoots 6 of something around 24...we all think of Kobe in that game 7.

Hence Kobe-esque....[/QUOTE]

It was amazing how 6-24 was ignored and Kobe was handed the 2010 finals MVP in one of the worst decisions ever. And Gasol was clearly better in games 1-6 as well. But such is life when you play for a massive market like LA where they will attribute all of your team's success to you and shift all of the blame to your teammates in an attempt to create a fake legend (Kobe and Rose).

[QUOTE] Kobe shot 6-24 in one of the biggest games of his career.[/QUOTE]

Nobody on either team had a good shooting performance during that game. It was a great defensive showing, and the reason we won that defensive struggle was because of the team play, rebounding, and making clutch plays. btw Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau both said Kobe was the key to the Lakers winning that game. He hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards, played great D and hit a huge jumper with 3 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics never could get back in the game after he hit that shot.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Nobody on either team had a good shooting performance during that game. It was a great defensive showing, and the reason we won that defensive struggle was because of the team play, rebounding, and making clutch plays. btw Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau both said Kobe was the key to the Lakers winning that game. He hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards, played great D and hit a huge jumper with 3 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics never could get back in the game after he hit that shot.[/QUOTE]

And does all of that...most of which I actually agree with...change the fact that Kobe shot 6-24? Nope.

Which is why we all know when you see Parker go 6-23...the first thing you think of is Kobe's 6-24 game.

You guys are arguing with a ghost. Never once did I say Parker's game was as good as Kobe. I merely called going 6-23 in a big finals game Kobe-esque.

If Parker had gone 9-27 I would have gladly called it Dirk-esque.

Means nothing to me. I don't feel the need to rewrite history and pretend going 6-24 while taking terrible shots through 3 qtrs was somehow a positive thing for a team. it wasn't. And the only reason it's not one of the worst games by a superstar ever in a do or die game 7 in the finals is because the Lakers won.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Nobody on either team had a good shooting performance during that game. It was a great defensive showing, and the reason we won that defensive struggle was because of the team play, rebounding, and making clutch plays. btw Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau both said Kobe was the key to the Lakers winning that game. He hit 7/8 free throws in the 4th quarter, grabbed 15 boards, played great D and hit a huge jumper with 3 minutes left to put the Lakers up 6 and the Celtics never could get back in the game after he hit that shot.[/QUOTE]
He's not going to listen to reason lol.. It's just hating. If a superstar choked before 2011 would we call every chokejob dirkesque? Still could if we deem his one title run a fluke and focus on his poorer moments. Arguments can be twisted in any which way.. I prefer to look at everything and not discredit when it's not warranted.

Lol seriously? Diaw left the game and then Lebron started attacking with TD on the bench until the 9 minute mark. Parker was out until like 7 mins too so Spurs had no offense besides the struggling Manu. Then Diaw came back in the game with about 5 minutes left and where was Lebron then? Bricking shots and turning the ball over. Wade had no impact on the game positively or negatively. It was neutral. It wasn't like a Ginobili performance. If anyone was going cost the Heat the chip, it was Lebron during the last few minutes. Good thing he knocked down that 3 after his miss and an offensive rebound or else the storyline is completely different.

[QUOTE=secund2nun]It was amazing how 6-24 was ignored and Kobe was handed the 2010 finals MVP in one of the worst decisions ever. And Gasol was clearly better in games 1-6 as well. [/QUOTE]

:roll: Gasol played well in L.A., but was terrible on the road that series and got outplayed by KG in Boston.

Moronic haters like yourself must forgot Kobe's brilliance through 6 games--30/6/5/2/56% TS.

Not to mention how clutch he was in that Game 7 in the 4th quarter: 10 pts/61% TS/4 Reb/2 Ast. Had a hand in nearly every single point by the Lakers in the last 7-8 minutes.

Kobe through 6 games: 30/6/5/2/56% TS
Kobe in Game 7: Easily the best player
Kobe for entire series: 29/8/4/2/1/53%/26+ PER

[QUOTE=tpols]He's not going to listen to reason lol.. It's just hating. If a superstar choked before 2011 would we call every chokejob dirkesque? Still could if we deem his one title run a fluke and focus on his poorer moments. Arguments can be twisted in any which way.. I prefer to look at everything and not discredit when it's not warranted.[/QUOTE]

But I never said any of those things. ROFL...i merely said a player going 6-23 in a big finals game was Kobe-esque. Because it is. Kobe went 6-24.

You can put all the context around you want...most of which I agree with. Although of course you Kobe stans go too far with it.

Where did I ever say Parker's overall game was as good as Kobe's? Please show it to me...

And what do you think of Parker's play in the finals? Remember when you were repping him so hard? Funny how you don't go hard on him for shit play. Maybe because he's just not as good as you need him to be in order to discredit Duncan all the time?

[QUOTE=Ne 1]:roll: Gasol played well in L.A., but was terrible on the road that series and got outplayed by KG in Boston.

Moronic haters like yourself must forgot Kobe's brilliance through 6 games--30/6/5/2/56% TS.

Not to mention how clutch he was in that Game 7 in the 4th quarter: 10 pts/61% TS/4 Reb/2 Ast. Had a hand in nearly every single point by the Lakers in the last 7-8 minutes.

Kobe through 6 games: 30/6/5/2/56% TS
Kobe in Game 7: Easily the best player
Kobe for entire series: 29/8/4/2/1/53%/26+ PER[/QUOTE]


Wait. You think Kobe was the best player in the 2010 finals game 7?

Nobody is talking about Parker, because deep down nobody gives a **** about him. Nobody cares about the Spurs, they just want to see someone beat the Heat.

Parker is MAYBE a top ten player in the NBA, but Duncan is by far the MVP of that team just like every 7 footer is their playoff teams MVP aside from the Heat/OKC.

Parker was shut down by LeBron James.