Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

[QUOTE=christian1923]I didn't follow this case but how do people know these "facts"? [B]Especially since one guy who was there is alive and the other kid is dead[/B] lol[/QUOTE]


- and there is the problem....

- no one knows what happened.....all the court could use is what evidence they had....

- and according to the evidence/eye witness's.....1 person was on top.....1 person was on the bottom ( screaming for help....according to the eye witness)

there was not enough evidence either way of a conviction:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=ace23]I'm saying that there are Caucasian Hispanics. Zimmerman's father is Caucasian.[/QUOTE]

Then there are Caucasian African Americans, Obama is one.

Obama is white. He is just as much white as he is black.

def not murky. Zimmerman was not guilty.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- and there is the problem....

- no one knows what happened.....all the court could use is what evidence they had....

- and according to the evidence/eye witness's.....1 person was on top.....1 person was on the bottom ( screaming for help....according to the eye witness)

there was not enough evidence either way of a conviction:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Kid's dead, and it wasn't 100% his fault. Guy who killed him wasn't 100% in the wrong.

Sticky wicket mi amigos, could argue this one till eternity.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Then there are Caucasian African Americans, Obama is one.

Obama is white. He is just as much white as he is black.[/QUOTE]

Nah cracker, he grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, the prototypical Midwestern white American experience is completely missing from his resume (so too is the black American one, except when he moved to Chicago and realized he was just another ehn eye double gee eh)

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Then there are Caucasian African Americans, Obama is one.

Obama is white. He is just as much white as he is black.[/QUOTE]
Hispanic is not a race. Racially, Zimmerman is mostly Caucasian.

[QUOTE=ace23]I just said that Hispanic is not a race. Racially, Zimmerman is mostly Caucasian.[/QUOTE]

What race are the majority of Mexicans?

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]What race are the majority of Mexicans?[/QUOTE]

White! Not hispanic.

[QUOTE=ace23]Hispanic is not a race. Racially, Zimmerman is mostly Caucasian.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE][B]Caucasian race[/B] (also Caucasoid)[1] is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, [B]North Africa, the Horn of Africa[/B], Western, Central and South Asia.[2] Historically, the term was used for many people from these regions, [B][SIZE="5"]without regard necessarily to skin tone[/SIZE][/B].[3][/QUOTE]

so if Travon Martin's great great great great grandpa came from North Africa

[IMG]http://wordiebirdie.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/0019ralphprice_320x238.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.theprisma.co.uk/2011/02/20/the-invisible-people-of-north-africa/"]http://www.theprisma.co.uk/2011/02/20/the-invisible-people-of-north-africa/[/URL]

he is really a white Kid/



so everyone can go home now......move along.....nothing to see here

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]What race are the majority of Mexicans?[/QUOTE]
Mestizo, white mixed with native, but I'm pretty sure most check Caucasian on the census.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]What race are the majority of Mexicans?[/QUOTE]

depends on how you define race, but under ace's definition I would assume he considers light skinned Mexican's mostly of spanish descent, thereby european

and darker skinned mexicans have a higher proportion of aboriginal genes.

[QUOTE=Raymone]White! Not hispanic.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qsxtlJ8grzE/TaEZxIDLrOI/AAAAAAAAHHI/0iIpIYaSv_o/s640/race-and-iq_bell_curve_shift.jpeg[/IMG]

How do you explain graphs like that? How do you explain government statistics like these:

[URL="http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/"]http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/[/URL]

Hispanic is a race...I can't believe how people would think otherwise.

I was on the fence about this trial, because to me Zimmerman and Martin are both weird, suspect dudes. That's probably just from growing up in a different culture, we don't have many Zimmerman's or Martin's over here.

That said given the outcome of the trial, it's now on the Martin supporters side to reflect on this all. And I'm not talking about the folks who have waited out everything and simply think Zimmerman's account sounds a bit fishy. I'm talking about the people who from day one have been screaming for Zimmerman's jailing, before anything was known about the case. Those guys who along the way, as more and more facts became public knowledge, would disregard or downplay every single element in this case that speaks for Zimmerman. The people in who's mind Zimmerman was guilty from the start and haven't been shaken with doubt throughout all of this.

If you fit that description, you need to realize you have a very racist mindset.

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]Hispanic is a race...I can't believe how people would think otherwise.[/QUOTE]
You can think whatever you want. Just know that you're wrong.

[QUOTE=ace23]I'm saying that there are Caucasian Hispanics. Zimmerman's father is Caucasian.[/QUOTE]



I don't know if Hispanic is considered a race. It might be considered an ethnicity.

[QUOTE=tontoz]I don't know if Hispanic is considered a race. It might be considered an ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
Of course Hispanic is not a race.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]so if Travon Martin's great great great great grandpa came from North Africa
[/QUOTE]

he'd look like this:

[IMG]http://www.acus.org/files/images/gaddafi_scowl.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ace23]Of course Hispanic is not a race.[/QUOTE]


According to SCIENCE...there is no such thing as" Race"......
so all y'all are wrong...


deal wit it

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]According to SCIENCE...there is no such thing as" Race"......
so all y'all are wrong...


deal wit it[/QUOTE]
lol wrong

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]
Hispanic is a race...I can't believe how people would think otherwise.[/QUOTE]

It's not. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, mixed hispanics and so on.

[QUOTE=Ass Dan]he'd look like this:

[IMG]http://www.acus.org/files/images/gaddafi_scowl.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


[IMG]http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/zimm_zps36158439.jpg[/IMG]:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=christian1923]Safe from what?[/QUOTE]

Black kids with Skittles.

[QUOTE=ace23]lol wrong[/QUOTE]
lol....

no U...
[QUOTE]
While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[4] or simplistic way,[5] i.e. [B][SIZE="6"]that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens[/SIZE][/B].[6][7][/QUOTE]

especially in modern times/ modern travel...Race has no scientific value...

there is no such thing as Race...only 1 human species.

Lol @ you cutting out the "others in" to contort that Wikipedia quote to the shape of your agenda.

[QUOTE=ace23]Lol @ you cutting out the "others in" to contort that Wikipedia quote to the shape of your agenda.[/QUOTE]


LOL you ignoring [B]science[/B] and trying to frame your agenda by claiming others in framing an agenda...

- I got Science on my side......you 1,000 year old barbaric classifications...

- No such thing as Race.....

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]Angela Corey:
"We never said Trayvon didn't do something to George Zimmerman," Corey told HLN's Vinnie Politan. "What we said is you can't take a concealed weapon and encourage or incite a fistfight -- which is what he did by stalking a teenager who didn't know who he was -- [b]and then whip your gun out and shoot[/b]," she said.[/QUOTE]
but that's not what happened.

GZ received a broken nose and cuts/abrasions on back of head before he fired.

she should know WAY better than to say something that foolish, and indeed that's what gives the impression she was trying to use this trial to enhance her renown, such as a 'tough on crime' stance.

it doesn't make any sense from any reasonable angle i can conceive that GZ intended to kill. it also doesn't make any sense from any reasonable angle i can conceive that TM wanted to start a fistfight rather than just get home.

a prosecutor's work description has to be pressing the appropriate charges IMO.

said thing is that race or money has clouded so many of the attorneys public opinions about this case.

[QUOTE=lakers_forever]It's not. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, mixed hispanics and so on.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Hispanic isn't a race. It's a denomination that refers to someone who comes from a Spanish speaking country.

If a black, white, or Asian person emigrates to a Spanish speaking country -- they are ''Hispanic'' by United States definition. Also, most Hispanics in America are mestizos, and not white.

Many of the things Larry Elder was saying.... are true. For whatever reason, people just CANT STAND to let facts get in the way of their prejudiced.

Piers Morgan is a joke. This condescending wanker constantly talks over his guests but CANT STAND the taste of his own medicine. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Many of the things Larry Elder was saying.... are true. For whatever reason, people just CANT STAND to let facts get in the way of their prejudiced.

Piers Morgan is a joke. This condescending wanker constantly talks over his guests but CANT STAND the taste of his own medicine. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Piers is ****ing terrible. I grew up watching Larry King with my dad and now Piers Morgan just gets up on his soapbox and tries to show everyone why he is a better person. I wouldn't mind him steering conversation toward his moral viewpoints but not to openly antagonize people.

[QUOTE=gigantes]but that's not what happened.

GZ received a broken nose and cuts/abrasions on back of head before he fired.

she should know WAY better than to say something that foolish, and indeed that's what gives the impression she was trying to use this trial to enhance her renown, such as a 'tough on crime' stance.

it doesn't make any sense from any reasonable angle i can conceive that GZ intended to kill. it also doesn't make any sense from any reasonable angle i can conceive that TM wanted to start a fistfight rather than just get home.

a prosecutor's work description has to be pressing the appropriate charges IMO.[/QUOTE]

Intending to kill is not required to convict for either of the counts that Zimmerman was tried for:

- [URL="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second+degree+murder"]2nd Degree Murder[/URL]: a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery. Exact distinctions on degree vary by state.
- [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter"]Voluntary manslaughter[/URL]: when the defendant either kills with 1) malice aforethought (intention to kill or cause serious harm), but there are mitigating circumstances that reduce culpability, or 2) when the defendant kills only with an intent to cause serious bodily harm. Voluntary manslaughter in some jurisdictions is a lesser included offense of murder. The traditional mitigating factor was provocation; however, others have been added in various jurisdictions.
- [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter"]Involuntary manslaughter[/URL]: the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought (intention to kill or cause serious harm), either express or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter, both of which involve criminal liability.

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]Intending to kill is not required to convict for either of the counts that Zimmerman was tried for:

- [URL="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second+degree+murder"]2nd Degree Murder[/URL]: a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery. Exact distinctions on degree vary by state.[/QUOTE]
okay, thanks.

i'm not sure i'm sanguine on "premeditated" coming anywhere near "intentional," you know? that definition isn't implying 2nd degree is generally non-premeditated but intentional, does it?

if you're in the middle of a mad scramble to survive, i'm not sure it's common to have intent or non-intent to kill. nature would suggest you primarily just want to end the threat. agree / disagree?

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Many of the things Larry Elder was saying.... are true. For whatever reason, people just CANT STAND to let facts get in the way of their prejudiced.

Piers Morgan is a joke. This condescending wanker constantly talks over his guests but CANT STAND the taste of his own medicine. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Larry Elder is a f*ckin idiot..

I can understand if he is mad at people in South Central LA or wherever, but that has nothing to do with Trayvon.. you justify someone getting followed and shot when they werent commiting a crime.

He says he wish Zimmerman was the watch person in his neighborhood :oldlol:

Earth to Larry Elder.... You are black which means Zimmerman would probably profile and shoot your kids you idiot.. :facepalm

Im no fan of piers Morgan but he made Larry Elder look like a fool..

[QUOTE=MJ23forever]Actually, Hispanic isn't a race. It's a denomination that refers to someone who comes from a Spanish speaking country.

If a black, white, or Asian person emigrates to a Spanish speaking country -- they are ''Hispanic'' by United States definition. Also, most Hispanics in America are mestizos, and not white.[/QUOTE]


[IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/iconos.aollatino.com/media/2011/08/canelo-alvarez-389lg170811_389x226.jpg[/IMG]

[B][SIZE="5"]Hispanic[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://www.therichest.org/cdn/300/300/75/t/wp-content/uploads/Blake-Griffin1.jpg[/IMG]

[B][SIZE="5"]Black[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/george-zimmerman.jpg[/IMG]

[B][SIZE="5"]White[/SIZE][/B]

:hammerhead:



there is no such thing as race...





:pimp:

[QUOTE]Zimmerman would probably profile and shoot your kids[/QUOTE]

Zimmerman did not profile Trayvon outside of the fact that he had never seen him before, he thought he was acting suspiciously, and he fit the description of the people who were terrorizing his neighborhood with home invasions (black males in their late teens) he was simply watching the neighborhood, it was not racially motivated. Also, he didn't shot him because he was black, he shot him because he was getting his head smashed into the concrete ground.

[QUOTE=MJ23forever] and he fit the description of the people who were terrorizing his neighborhood with home invasions (black males in their late teens) he was simply watching the neighborhood, it was not racially motivated.[/QUOTE]


^that = Racial profiling & racially motivated

"hispanic" has come to have multiple meanings. look at the building blocks of the word-- 'out of spain' or 'associated with spain'. it can therefore apply to a whole bunch of things that have spain as a touchpoint. you're all sort of right any way you argue it.



"either i'm right or you're right... there is no middle ground. i just came here to test my manhood against yours, bro."

-- the mantra of ISH

[QUOTE=MJ23forever]Zimmerman did not profile Trayvon outside of the fact that he had never seen him before, he thought he was acting suspiciously, and he fit the description of the people who were terrorizing his neighborhood with home invasions (black males in their late teens) he was simply watching the neighborhood, it was not racially motivated.[/QUOTE]

Do you really not see the contradiction in your post? If you are targeting someone simply because they fit the description of "black male in his late teens" how can you simultaneously not be engaging in racially profiling? Makes no sense.

[QUOTE=MJ23forever]Zimmerman did not profile Trayvon outside of the fact that he had never seen him before, he thought he was acting suspiciously, and he fit the description of the people who were terrorizing his neighborhood with home invasions (black males in their late teens) he was simply watching the neighborhood, it was not racially motivated. Also, he didn't shot him because he was black, he shot him because he was getting his head smashed into the concrete ground.[/QUOTE]


:applause:

I think Maria Bartiromo is sexy.